Should we consider making polygamy (plural marriage) legal? Why or why not?

@Taskr36 (13963)
United States
April 27, 2009 2:00pm CST
There has been a lot of debate over gay marriage, so I feel this issue is very relevant. The common argument against a ban on gay marriage is that they deserve the same rights as heterosexual couples. Now in this country, polygamy is illegal, and unlike gay marriage, if you are married to multiple people, you will be prosecuted and face prison time whereas if you are married to a gay lover it will be recognized and respected even in most states where it is illegal. Much like gay marriage, polygamy is the consensual marriage between adults. Unlike gay marriage, there are very specific religions that allow polygamous marriages. Isn't the country violating the first amendment rights of those people? Isn't the government preventing their free practice of religion and the separation of church and state by not only banning their marriages but prosecuting as criminals those who do marry more than one person? I'd really love to hear from the pro-gay marriage crowd on this one since it's a similar issue of social acceptance.
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@nv_jenn (207)
• Canada
27 Apr 09
I am not really sure about this topic. At first my opinion was going to be no but then I read the first post and it seemed more along the lines I would reply. As long as all the wives/husbands know what is going on then I believe it should be within their own discretion on which they choose. If a women knows she will be 1 of 2 wives and agrees to it then I guess it is fine with me. I don't really believe on telling people how they should live their lives unless someone is going to get hurt in the process.
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@Myrrdin (3599)
• Canada
27 Apr 09
I think a lot of people would probably do the same jenn, at first say no, but then after consideration and realizing there is no reason to reject it really, they'd probably agree with it (non bible thumping christian that is, and by bible thumping I refer to those who try to force their religious views on the entire world rather than live and let live, not all Christians are bible thumpers, most are not).
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@murderistic (2278)
• United States
27 Apr 09
As long as there is no distinction between males and females in this aspect (i.e. females would equally have the right to take more than one husband or wife), and all parties were aware and consenting, I really don't have a problem with it. However, because it is such a sensitive topic, I do not think that a simple signature or oath would suffice. I think that it would be worthwhile to require parties to first agree to a mental evaluation in order to determine if any brainwashing or mental abuse was happening first.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
27 Apr 09
I agree with Myrrdin. You can't choose to subject one group to a mental evaluation and not another. If you do, then that can be selectively used to prevent people from marrying. I really wouldn't be against some form of counseling, or something before marriage for everyone. The divorce rate in this country really is pathetic.
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• United States
27 Apr 09
I have to agree with the other two. It would be discrimination to only make them do the mental evaluation. And I do not think the government has a right to tell people if they are mentally OK to get married.
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• United States
28 Apr 09
But it wouldn't be the government telling them that, they could choose their own psychologist. The government would not have to give a yes or no either way, no matter what the results were. It's not like a test you have to pass. But given the nature of polygamous marriage and the types of women who are usually subjected to it, I would say it would be worthwhile for them to deeply evaluate the situation themselves along with a psychologist to determine whether they really wish to agree with the marriage or if they are being brainwashed or abused into agreeing to it. Even if women hear that they are being abused or brainwashed, they would still have the right to allow their husband to take other wives or marry a husband who has other wives. But having a documented record of the abuse and having a professional tell them what is going on could be very helpful for women who don't actually want to be one of many wives to get out of the situation. I don't think it is discrimination. Making polygamy illegal is discrimination. This is just precautious.
@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
27 Apr 09
I'm all for it WITHIN REASON...I mean having 100 wives just doesnt make sense to me and though I wouldnt personally have issues with it since it wouldnt be affecting me any, I'd be concerned about the mental state and well being of all those wives....HOWEVER if a man wanted 2 or 3 wives and the women were all for it AND of course they are of legal consent etc then whats the big deal...same with if a woman wanted to have 2 or 3 husbands...I see nothing wrong wiht it...Hell if I could have been married to my hsuband AND my bf I'd have done it in a heartbeat LOL
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
27 Apr 09
Well, this could be a real can of worms indeed. It has been argued that gay marriage could open the door to many other types of marriage that is currently illegal. The government is violating the 1st Amendment by even being involved in marriage in the first place. Separation of Church and State is a legal fiction... there is no such phrase or reference in the Constitution. The Establishment Clause simply says that the government will not establish a government religion, and that is all it says. It has nothing to do with prayer in schools, or any of that other nonsense.
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• United States
28 Apr 09
When prayer in schools is prohibited that is violating the free expression thereof. Your comment makes no sense. As a Canadian, I guess that makes you an expert on our Constitution, hmmm? Your straw man statement seems to have been pulled out of thin air. Care to expound upon it?
• United States
28 Apr 09
Bullshyt. There was a recent attempt to even get rid of a moment of silence in the schools, and the courts recently ruled that a coach could not even bow his head when his team prayed before a game. Don't try to tell people that restricting someone's rights is somehow protecting someone else's rights. That argument does not stand up.
@Myrrdin (3599)
• Canada
27 Apr 09
Oh, and as for the freedom of religion comment, you are forgetting the "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" clause which does indeed deal with prayer in schools and much more when you consider it. After all forcing those of other religions to say a Christian prayer is indeed prohibiting the free exercise of their religion.
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@Myrrdin (3599)
• Canada
27 Apr 09
I believe that as long as it is between consenting adults it is irrelevant how many spouses you have. Much like homosexuality polygamy is not for me, but I don't care if you practice it, why should I? What you do in the privacy of your own home is no business of mine, so long as no one is getting hurt.
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28 Apr 09
To be honest I believe that today the world prefers preverse lifestyles that are an abomination to God. But on the other hand people have been given the choice to live what life they want so whether they legalise polygamy or not is no concern of mine as I dont believe in either gay or polygamous marriages as I believe they offend and are an utter abomination to God. For one who lives these lifestyles I dont think that another person has the right to tell them not to live like that because it is their choice. Left up to me I would not even consider talking about these topics. In my country homosexuality and polygamy are against the law. If you are caught doing these you are either executed or hanged...
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@CJscott (4187)
• Portage La Prairie, Manitoba
28 Apr 09
"Executed or hanged..." Wow. Pretty much hooped either way. But anyways. The Lord, bless him. Gave us the power of free will to do as we please. In the end we are accountable only to God. I agree totally on this issue with Myrrdin, so long as no others come to harm, and we don't trample the rights of others, what we do is of no concern to others. and yes, it does infringe on the constitution to punish these people, same as punishing communists and satanists. American politics and laws, same as Canadian, and I am sure many other countries are fairly contradictory. But that is the society we are. It is changing, slowly, but it is changing.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
27 Apr 09
A marriage license is a legal document and has nothing to do with anyone's ability to practice their religious beliefs or to live as they see fit. The lack of an official marriage license has not stopped polygimst groups in this country from performing multiple "spiritual" marriages so I don't see any conflict with separation of church and state in this area. My personal view on polygamy is this. If all parties are in agreement and the family is able to support itself without asking for government assistance, I have no problem with it. What I do have a problem with is welfare fraud when the "single" mother(s) apply for welfare benefits, forcing the state to subsidize the family's chosen lifestyle.
@Myrrdin (3599)
• Canada
27 Apr 09
All the more reason to legalize it to stop this fraud from occurring really.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
27 Apr 09
"A marriage license is a legal document and has nothing to do with anyone's ability to practice their religious beliefs or to live as they see fit." If everyone felt that way than we wouldn't have such an issue over gay marriage right now. Welfare fraud is how a lot of bigamists get caught. The first time I saw that was when that moron with like 8 wives and 16 children got arrested after going on the Jerry Springer show. He was collecting welfare for 8 families and living in a mansion. Had they been married legally as a polygamist family, they would have been seen as one family under the law.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
27 Apr 09
"If everyone felt that way than we wouldn't have such an issue over gay marriage right now." I disagree. By not being legally married gay couples face obstacles that other couples don't. Among them the ability to add your spouse to your health insurance coverage that you receive through your job, the ability to make medical decisions on your partner's behalf during an emergency, the right to inherit as a spouse would.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
29 Apr 09
Yes, polyandry and polygamy should both be legal, and not just on a religious basis. People at or above the age of consent should be allowed to marry whom they wish, be it out of love or a marriage of convenience.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
28 Apr 09
And just because I'm an antagonist, while we're here, what about incest? An incest marriage between two consenting adults? How would everyone feel about that?
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@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
28 Apr 09
You should start a separate discussion on that (be careful how you write it). You can read my arguments on whether the State has a right to legislate or not below. Although I didn't mention incest marriage, I certainly considered it and I think my arguments about the areas in which legislation has a right to concern itself would be valid in the case of incestuous relationships and families. I might need to elaborate on some points to include where I believe legislation has a right to intrude and where it does not but you would, perhaps, be able to anticipate my stance.
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@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
28 Apr 09
Incidentally, xfachtor, not being a citizen of the United States, when I occasionally write 'state', I usually mean the country's overall government ('federal' to you, rather than 'state'). When I refer to [US] State laws, I usually capitalise as a way of making the distinction. I suppose that, in the UK we are slowly coming to an understanding of the difference between State and Federation through European and country legislation but it is a usage difference worth bearing in mind when conversing with people outside the US.
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@Myrrdin (3599)
• Canada
28 Apr 09
Antagonize away my friend... In the case of incest, if we are talking relationships that are close enough to cause genetic abnormalities I think that as long as they agree to some sort of sterilization to prevent accidentally producing offspring, sure why not.
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
27 Apr 09
One of the issues about polygamy in this day is the amount of men who sit on their butts all day taking the money the wives make either through working or collecting welfare. Along with this we have possible abuse, which might include child abuse in the form of neglect, etc. I'm just as certain there are circumstances that go the other way and all involved are in the best of lives. As for gays. If they want to be married who am I to say no? I just think the laws on domestic partnerships should be changed. Marriage is way way (plus a thousand) overrated.
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@jonesy123 (3948)
• United States
27 Apr 09
It would indeed only be fair, if they would allow this as well. As somebody else said, it should be equal though, same right for men and women to take as many spouses as they want. It's not for me. One spouse is plenty to deal with, lol. But if it would make others happy, they should be able to do this.
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@don_naces (464)
• Philippines
28 Apr 09
I believe that there is nothing wrong with polygamy. As long as the persons engaging it are happy, then it's okay. We don't have the right to not let hem happy. If they love each other, then go.
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• United States
27 Apr 09
Personally I think between consenting adults it would be fine. We are suppost to have a separation of church and state. And sence a marriage licence is given by the state I do not where they have the right to sell gay people they can't marry or tell people how many people they can marry. Also as long as it is fair on all sides. Meaning....women can have multiple husbands along with men being allowed to have multiple wives. Personally it is not for me. One HB is plenty. But who am I to tell someone else they can't.
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@Pleiades (846)
• United States
28 Apr 09
I would have to say only because of the ratio between male and female is getting so distant, that the idea of plural marriage isn't a bad idea. All our men are off to war and most aren't coming back... *Pleiades
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@dlr297 (5409)
• United States
29 Apr 09
It is hard enough to have a special relationship with one person, I personally do not understand it where their are more than one wife/husband. For me it would not work and i believe it is wrong.....BUT if other consenting adults wanted to live that way, that would be up to them. If it was legalized (polygamy) It would sure put a lot of attorneys out of business because people would stop getting divorced and just move on......... As for gay marriages I believe that it is wrong. But i would never try to step in and try to tell someone else how to live their lives. Each person should have the right to make up their own mind how they wish to live. The government should not have the right to step in and tell consenting adults how to live. As for us that believe that it is wrong because of our faith in God, should not be called names because of our beliefs.....God gave each of us the gift of Free will, so we could all choose what we wish to do with our lives, even if it is the wrong choice. It is not my place or anyone else's to judge how others live.
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@Myrrdin (3599)
• Canada
29 Apr 09
Bravo dir, I like your response. It comes from a religious perspective, and yet is tolerant of others. The way Christianity should be. However I doubt divorce lawyers would be out of business, regardless of if I could marry another, I'd still want a divorce from my exwife.
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• Canada
19 Sep 09
The only way plural marriage should be allowed should be if it is as well for a woman to have many husbands, as it is for a man to have many wives, and only in the cases of conscenting adults. I do worry that polygamy (many woman for one man) would lead to more domestc violence. Violence against women is already a sad reality in society. It should not be increased.
@miamilady (4910)
• United States
28 Apr 09
hmmm Well, yes if it is truly consentual, then maybe it should be legal. Forgive my ingorance here, but I still haven't completely figured if there truly is supposed to be as separation of politics and religion in this country. That seems to be open for debate. From the little bit that I have seeen on the news, there are some accusations that some of these marriages aren't truly consentual. To me, this is a tough one to be honest. So...what are your thoughts on it?
• Australia
28 Apr 09
As one who has at times practised polygamy, I am all for it. But in practical terms, it makes very little difference whether one has a licence or simply lives in sin. Since wealth and property have never really been an issue for me, I've not had to give that much thought, but I wouldn't imagine it would be too difficult to set up a legal document, something like a pre-nup, to ensure equitable property distribution in the case of break-ups. If I were involved in a multiple partner (group) marriage, I would simply run the economics of it as a limited partnership, with each partner's share clearly indicated at a glance from the partnership books, with again a legal document limiting the ability of disgruntled members to "screw" the family, or vice versa. That's exactly how I run my monogamous partnerships in any case. Lash
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
28 Apr 09
Damn, you old ho', lol.
• Australia
29 Apr 09
Well in some aspects I guess I could be classified as an old ho', but I do have a strong ideological/philosophical attachment to multiple partner marriages, have had for nearly 40 years now. Quite apart from anything else, such marriages can be financially extremely stable, they create, especially in group marriages, a form of extended family with all the advantages of that, and for those who are psychologically and emotionally attracted to this form of marriage, provide all the variety one could hope for. I understand that variety is not an issue for most monogamous people, but it does seem to be for people attracted to other forms. Needless to say, I believe that there should be no double standard involved, polyandry should be as acceptable as polygyny. Lash
@PrarieStyle (2486)
• United States
27 Apr 09
I assume we will soon see gay men having 3 or 4 male wives? And gay women 3 or 4 or more female husbands? Or when they marry are they wives? It could get pretty confusing...
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• United States
28 Apr 09
Taskr- I don't have a problem with either. I'm for gay marriage and I wouldn't have a problem if this country allowed polyamist marriage. For myself, I'd not enter into one because I know that I'm a jealous person and want my husband to myself. However, if it is for others then it should be their right. My husband chimes in with Myk though, one wife is enough for him lol. He doesn't have enough time as it is between me, the kids, work, and school to deal with anything else lol. And as you said many countries do have such arrangements, or have had them in their history. It would take care of the females in the community as in some places women out number men. I would think it would be a difficult relationship on the man though, because he'd not only have to provide the intimacy for each woman, but provide them financially. Namaste-Anora
@jugsjugs (12967)
27 Apr 09
i think everyone should have a choice in who and how many people they want to marry.you have married people who have open relation ships which work wll for both.one husband is enough for me though.i can not see a problem with this as long as they didnt cause fraud on their state benefits,etc.