In the beginning.....Can Science and Faith co -exist?

I fouind this quotation: "Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." (Albert Einstein) I guess, just like a man and woman can complement each other, so it might be with faith and science.

I have read somewhere that Faith without science is merely dogma. And science without faith is dangerous. I am not sure of the exact wording, forgive me if it is misquoted. I agree that both are needed for a balanced mind. Maimonides in the 8th century said that to understand God one need only look to nature. Think the apostle Paul said the same thing. And David the Psalmist said 'the heavens declare the glory of God! Thanks for responding....with the 'glitch' in posting new discussions, seems everyone's older discussions will get more attention. lol

Yeah! I knew it was out there somewhere. Thanks for taking the time to find it....but there is another one, along those same lines. But more scary....something about science being dangerous without faith. I will stumble upon it one day and go AHA! lol

Mankind has twisted the truth revealed to him and used it to control his fellow man. This does not mean that the truth was to blame. We do need to find a way to get along....but compromising the truth is not the way to do so. Love is the way to do so...and to truly love our fellow man means we recognize that we're all in the same boat...and not one of us is better in the eyes of Creator God than the next one. That is love. I love my kids, I don't lie to them and tell them they are right or correct when they are not. But I don't beat them for having a differing opinion either. It is man that is the problem, not God.

You mean that you don't punish your children for being right? Is this a new concept? I'm being quite cynical or sarcastic... If we call every human a sinner then no one is right and everyone is wrong, we are right back to that subliminal messaging that is destructive to the ego. I would love to direct you to study Plato the Republic Chapter 7 and then to read a book written by a friend of mine, I can provide you with a link to acquire the book online, I think it is still offered at no cost. Both books are very philosophical having multiple stories working inside of the main body of work. See how you hit on two subliminal messages one of the punishment of women that they might fear childbearing and the other that all people are evil. I think things are messed up as a result of these horrible messages that are twisting the minds of so many people they do not know good from bad as they listen to the wrong teachings. Good is always good and bad is quite obviously bad. I could write almost forever about this subject, sharing some of my experiences... I have to turn in now... If you're interested let me know and I'll try to expand some of my stories, maybe I'll write a few of them up and put them in my blog??? I have so much to share...

It is obvious that you are a thinking person. It was not a subliminal thought that caused me to mention women's pain in childbirth. You used it as an example of how organized religion has twisted the thinking of mankind. I agreed. MY faith and belief system is that God's Word is truth and we need to seek that truth despite the twisting of it by men. I have learned from experience and from study that man's nature is not basically good. To clarify that I'd have to go deep into my personal life, and cite many many instances in history where good intentions led to much suffering. We have the capability of being very good, this is true. We also have the capability of being very evil. It is through choices we make minute by minute that determine our paths to either side of our nature. That is the message behind the Garden of Eden and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. I do not doubt you are very well versed in the philosophies of man. I too, have read and thought much about them. What I found is in the end we are still spiritual creatures and must choose our paths.

Faith is believing without seeing. You are correct that science will never explain God. Maimonides (Rabbi) in the 8th century said: To understand God... you must study and understand nature. In other words....God is fully revealed in His creation. My thoughts are that the bridge between science and faith is closing. Metaphysical topics are now discussed by Phd.'s in the lab. Think on this: We believe by faith that heaven exists. And ... Science says we live in a multi dimensional universe. Does that not sound like agreement? Just using different words to describe one reality? I would like to see more people of faith study science in all it's disciplines. Understanding creation is never going to 'disprove' our faith. Does that make sense? :) I do distrust the latest 'findings' of science as presented to the public because those who do not believe....do not want to reinforce belief. An example of this was Einstein...He did not want his equations to prove that the universe had a beginning....it sounded to much like the opening lines of Genesis to him. So, he fudged the equations to 'prove' a steady state (static) universe. He publically said it was one of the biggest regrets of his life. Thank you Destiny007 for responding to my discussion on this...I would love to hear more from you.

Yes, I read it a long time ago. Will have to re read it now that you've said that.

Yes, I'm still around.

Wow - you're still around! I've re-read it twice already; once is never enough. You'll be reading it with "new eyes"