Why are people who have a lot of money, and people who are very poor?

@icesmile (7160)
Romania
December 15, 2009 7:55am CST
Just luck? Are people who know how they must to make money? Do you think that God help people who want to make money? And don t help people who really need money? Why this world consists two kind of people? People who have money, and people who don t have money? Is a magic formula, or is just "luck"?
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@maezee (41997)
• United States
16 Dec 09
I think it generally depends on what kind of family you come from, and what their finances are like. Which is ultimately luck, I would imagine. You are LUCKY if you are born into a rich family, UNLUCKY if you are born into a poor or slightly sub-middle class family. There are definitely ways to change your status, though, of course, but I think it's much harder to do when you're not born into wealth.
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@MJay101 (710)
16 Dec 09
I don't think it's a magic formula. I don't think there are any hard and fast rules either, but on the other hand, I feel confident in making a sweeping generalisation: wealth is largely created (in this society) through the process of shafting people in some fashion or other. Naturally, this informs my pseudo-Marxist world view! (Or is it the other way round?) I don't think it's any accident that a lot of unpleasant people, with dubious morals, are exceptionally wealthy.
• United States
16 Dec 09
Oh I'm Pretty sure it's the other way around.... Do you think it's an accident that a lot of unpleasant, morally ambiguous people are poor? Or that rich capitalists are by far more generous with their money (charity) than rich Statists?
@MJay101 (710)
16 Dec 09
"Do you think it's an accident that a lot of unpleasant, morally ambiguous people are poor?" Not at all. I imagine it has something to do with the fact that the vast, vast majority of the world's population is "poor". So, naturally, there will be a significant overlap between "c*nts" and "poor people". I maintain that the overlap is far greater, in percentage terms for the wealthy. As for your claims about charity, are you aware that the poor contribute a far higher percentage of their wealth to charity than the rich? Obviously, if you're going to look at headline numbers, then the Gates foundation (substitute whichever egotistical philanthropic institution you like) is going to top the few quid slung in a collection bucket by the old dear who has a little spare change one week... The real situation, as ever, is more complex.
• United States
16 Dec 09
Buckminster Fuller's foundation did a study that showed (at the time) there was enough wealth in the world for every man, woman,and child to have a million dollars each. And that if that wealth were to be redistibuted evenly, within three years the ones who currently held the major amounts of wealth would hold it again. And the poor would again be poor. Some think that people get rich by screwing others. In some cases that is true. Most of these people are politicians. Others work their way up and learn the ropes. And become very wealthy. Others just make excuses for why they never "get any breaks" They usually become poor. In extreme cases they become Marxists.
@MJay101 (710)
16 Dec 09
Whilst I agree that people will always spend money in different ways, on different things, I don't think it necessarily follows that a lack of wealth is due to a "lack of breaks". The study you quote is quite meaningless. It doesn't really matter whether everyone has $1,000,000 or $1 - what matters is what that money can purchase, and how you go about getting any more of it when it runs out. What matters is the relationship between individuals and the means of production. Take a Monopoly board. Give me all the properties (plus hotels), railway stations and utilities; give me $100 and take $100000 for yourself. Who's going to win, every single time? "Getting down", "getting on with it" and "working hard" (for the man, man) can deliver a high quality of living - if you happen to be born in the Western world and get a few "breaks" (such as a wealthy family, good public school, etc.). This is due to the global structure of capitalism: abberations such as representative democracy and trade unions in the West have won certain "freedoms", with the result that the worst exploitation is exported abroad. There are no sweat shops employing workers for $0.03 / hour to make $100 Nike trainers in England; nor are there any in America (to my knowledge). "Getting down", "getting on with it" and "working hard" (for the man, man) cannot make you rich if you happen to be born anywhere else. Apart from the one-in-a-million (literally) who gets "the break" and is then held up as some sort of twisted role model for all the other drones slaving away in the factory. Do you really believe that the structure of society has no bearing whatsoever on whether an individual can make a "success" of him or herself?
@drakesuyat (1063)
• Philippines
16 Dec 09
i dont think its just luck. some were born poor but armed with persistence. its all about on how sincere you really want to achieve your goal and your attitude in attaining it. some of the richest tycoon here in our country even started from nothing... as well as having no full knowledge on management, finance etc and yet made it to the top. God will surely help us everytime but how can HE help us if we cant help ourselves. sadly, people always blame it to HIM when we were given the power to think. to some, being rich maybe a destiny but to those people who never stopped moving in reaching it, it is a journey. happy mylotting icesmile.
@bingchen (1119)
• China
17 Dec 09
i dont believe luck,althogh i have no lots of money,but i am not very poor.i think that working hard can change this situation.maybe someone said that it is not possible to work hard to earn money,the luck is most important,but if people could not work hard,does he can gain treasure easy?so i think that someone's ssuccess depend his working hard 99%and luck 1%.
• Indonesia
16 Dec 09
hay icesmile... from my opinion, the key to be a succesfull and rich man are working hard, take every opportunities we get. And the rest handing over in God hand.
@veejay19 (3589)
• India
16 Dec 09
icesmile i don`t know which religion you belong to, but i am a Hindu and we along with Buddhists and other off shoots of Hinduism firmly believe in the law of Karma.According to it if you do some action then you will reap the benefits of that action. the fruits may come in the present life or even in a future life.For eg if you had killed somebody and had got away scot free then you will pay for it in a future life. You cannot get away from the punishment in any way. Now coming to your example, God has nothing to do with whether you make money or not. It is your own efforts and actions which are the decisive factor.If a person is poor and not be able to earn much however hard he tries, maybe in a past life he must have robbed someone or swindled someone who needed money badly and who suffered for it very much.So in this life, according to the karmic law he is born poor and has to face the consequences of his past actions. Now if a person is born rich or is successfull then in a past life he must have helped someone selflessly even though he did not get the rewards which he must have richly deserved then. so in this life he gets those rewards and lives appily. Do i make myself clear?
• Philippines
15 Dec 09
Hi. We were so poor when I was growing up in a small island here in the Philippines. Like you, I used to ask God why life has been unfair to us. Why could we not afford decent education even if we badly want to graduate and become professionals. I question why there are a lot of rich kids who don't realize the value of money their parents are spending for their education. I'm now 29 years old and I still don't know the correct answer to that question. I'd like to think that maybe "life has been designed that way." Maybe we can call it "luck" when you were born on a rich family. But maintaining the wealth through life is a different story. Two things I know for sure: "rich people will not always be wealthy all their lives" and "poor people will not remain poor forever." Have a blessed day.
• China
15 Dec 09
Hi, icesmile It indeed a good queastion,I always try to find out why there are so many rich people in the world while at the same time ,there so many poor ones, espacically when i find that i need take 30 years or even more to buy a 100 squaremeter house in the city where i living, while some people have 6 or 7 houses. It seems that god creat us not equal. Maybe it is the life.