Should Americans need Photo I.D. to vote?

United States
August 20, 2012 10:29am CST
It sounds simple enough but many see this as a way to discourage the poor and the brown and black Not to vote. When I heard Pennsylvania upheld this new law I didn't think of the poor or the non white. I thought about some Tea Party member who Always goes to vote in the same center that goes Without his I.D.! These type of laws seem to backfire. So the Republicans are afraid there will be more people voting for the wrong candidate. They should just wait.I wonder if they will like it when they have all the Republicans are in office but the public simply ignores them. Every law that is set , there will be ways of breaking them. But maybe that is what they want. They want less schools and more jails. But that will backfire too. if more people are in jail than out with good jobs to pay the taxes for these jails then what happens. The super rich will be using more money than that tax increase to feel safe. But I know they are going to keep trying to silence whom they see as other.Your thoughts.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
26 Aug 12
Oh, how I WISH this could backfire on the Republicans and come back and bite them in the butt, but I'm afraid it might do exactly what they intend for it to do in my state of Pennsylvania. The group I think it's going to hurt the most is the elderly, those who no longer drive or possibly never did. The requirement is for a current valid photo I.D. so even if an elderly person has an expired driver's license that CLEARLY identifies him or her it won't be accepted. That means if my mother were still alive she'd be denied the right to vote despite the fact that she voted at the same polling place for over 50 years and never missed an election! What they're doing in PA is disenfranchising nearly 10% of voters over a "problem" that doesn't exist and never has. It even was clearly stated on the legal court filings by the GOP that there is no evidence of in person voter fraud and no reason to believe this law will prevent voter fraud. Why should people in their 80s or 90s, many of whom have health concerns, have to go through all the trouble and expense of going to a DMV, of which there aren't that many in PA so it's a long trip for some seniors, standing in line possibly for HOURS - I'm not exaggerating at all, been there, done that - and sometimes even having to go to other agencies for different documents to even be able to get state issued photo ID? They made this law here so restrictive and for no good reason at all. Student IDs and some military IDs aren't accepted because they have no expiration dates. This law is going to suppress the vote of the elderly, those who live in large cities, the poor, minorities and college students; guess how these groups usually vote? The Republican party in PA did their homework before coming up with this farce the same as the other swing states that have passed voter suppression laws. Annie
• United States
26 Aug 12
Discouraging the elderly to vote Will backfire on the Republicans. Who is the one group that is pro life and anti gay marriage, older White, people. Who votes normally and will abide by the rules, the elderly. What Pennsylvania doesn't get is if you send out the message that the young and the brown are not welcome , they won't go . But , being young , they won't listen to you either. they better start closing the schools and building those prisons because they will have half the state breaking the laws they pass! I heard only half of us vote anyway. Now it will be down to a fourth.so only an eight will agree with these officials and they are going to try to rule over the rest? That is going to work?
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@Rasniki09 (183)
21 Aug 12
I don't really see the issue with this requirement. There are millions of people living in America and some of them are not authorized to vote whether because they are green card holders or illegal immigrants. Asking someone to show an I.D. to match their Voter's registration card should not be an issue. That should be standard procedure for everyone.
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@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
20 Aug 12
Sarah, you have the SSN system.. I think its secure... Suppose I'm an American.. (what a lovely idea!).. I go to voting booth. Tell 'em my SSN.. They retrieve my details on their computer, ask me a couple of security question, the answers to which only I'm supposed to know.. I answer correctly... Which implies my identity's confirmed... And they allow me to vote... Thats my imagination, though! In India, the ID is essential, because we don't have the unique identity or number.. But America's the best system to identify and retrieve the personal, professional details of an American... :-)
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@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
21 Aug 12
Oh yes, I have heard something of the kind... Like, for an American SSN is everything... All the personal data, professional data, credit history and everything is attached to it, right? It is the best system. They are coming up with such ideas in India too; but it won't work... The public officers don't like their work, they only like to withdraw salaries for doing nothing... So is it true that Americans don't share their SSN with anybody? Is it really that important no?
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• United States
21 Aug 12
Yes. I only share it with my job and when I need aid from the government. It is that important.
• United States
21 Aug 12
Oh No Bhai. Your SSN is the one number you Never give out like that! Your photo I.D. or driver's license is far better and safer.Over here one can live without a photo I.D. and many don't drive.
@ShepherdSpy (8544)
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
20 Aug 12
So it's possible to travel by air internally in the US without having a Passport or photo ID? I don't think that's doable here in Ireland and in the UK..mainly because being Smallish Island Nations,Air travel is about the most effective means of getting to a destination from here..Many of us would have passports.I'm not sure how it works with sea ferries to GB,(I haven't been on one since before I was old enough to drive!)but many passengers would be drivers,in either cars or trucks,so they'd have European spec. photo ID driving Licenses.. Less Schools and More Jails? Wouldn't education be a factor in staying out of Jail? Is there no tax revenue raised from people IN Jail?
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• United States
20 Aug 12
No. You do need a photo I.D. to travel by air , but not by bus or by car if you don't drive. I mean if you have the money, you can hire a cab to drive you where ever you want to go. Education may help keep people out of jail but these days many teens drop out. So they are on the streets so... they may get in trouble.No, tax payers pay for jails. The more people in jail, the less tax money each state can raise. The more taxes will increase. You would think the rich would want people to stay in school and then get good jobs so they can help pay taxes But no! All they can see is how much money it takes to educate kids these days. I say ok. They will end up spending More money in the long run With the taxes and the security!
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
20 Aug 12
If You're not travelling internationally,you don't need ID here either,though if You're a senior and entitled to a Bus Pass,You have to produce it..I was reading about the cost to keep a Healthy Adult in prison,compared with the amount a Senior who's no longer working can have to get by on...It's a ridiculous amount of money looking at the disparity..I've even heard of seniors doing criminal things to get themselves some 24/7 sheltered accommodation and regular hot meals!
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• Omagh, Northern Ireland
21 Aug 12
In Years past here,Voter Fraud was a concern..I heard stories of unscrupulous people,say a Long haired Guy with a Beard,posting one vote,then going for a shave and polling somewhere else,and then after a haircut voting again! Postal votes were manipulated,and political party activists would ferry non driving elderly people in their community to the polling stations..An Official Photo ID helps deter any sort of underhand activity. Where voting is such a crucial activity when you have the Presidential elections every 4 years,why is getting a Photo ID such an issue? Either you need them,or not. If you do,The US is known as a Car Centric Country..A high proportion of voting adults should have a Photo ID License.A Smaller percentage might have a Passport. also,Credit cards now carry photos for account security..how big a percentage would then be left out? What options then would be possible for non-driving,non travelling citizens? Maybe an officially recognized photo ID could be issued through the DMV or Post Office? Here,a Police station (Or a Doctor,or Minister)can verify whatever ID documents you have and a couple of passport sized ID photos for a document like a Passport..
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@JJ4Ever (4693)
• United States
22 Aug 12
Hi Sarah, I guess I don't really look into this issue that deep. Requiring a photo ID to vote seems like a pretty typical requirement to me. It doesn't seem like the government is trying to control the votes, but that's not to say there aren't ulterior motives behind the law. The way I look at it is it's probably an effort to keep people from voting twice. I heard of so many people doing that. They would vote by absentee ballot, and then they'd go to the polls on Election Day to vote. Some people were getting an extra vote. I'm not sure how this new law will affect the absentee vote, but maybe it will help.
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• United States
22 Aug 12
Hi stranger! I found this topic interesting . I think some Republicans are so behind the times and they think most Democrats are poor and of color. Wrong! This rule may hurt some middle classed and white Republicans in the long run.
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• United States
23 Aug 12
my guess? There will be less voters but not because of this rule but because more will just turn off and tune out.
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@JJ4Ever (4693)
• United States
22 Aug 12
It is a very interesting topic with the election coming up! It's definitely something on people's minds right now too. (You are always great about keeping up on the current events, and I enjoy that!) Perhaps some Republicans are a little behind on things. If so, then that is the main problem here. It's sad that Democrats are stereotyped like that too. I hate stereotypes! Things are never the way people think when they think like that. It's the minority that speaks for the majority, if that makes sense lol. I guess we will see how this change affects things come Election Day...
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@GreenMoo (11834)
20 Aug 12
I don't understand the American system. Photo ID is a passport or drivers licence I guess? and that costs money? Is that the gist of it?
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• United States
20 Aug 12
Over here it isn't the passport that is used but a driver's license. The poor may not have a driver's license. and there are many middle classed people who don't drive. I have a I.D. card. I looks like a driver's license but it says Not A driver's license. It costs about 14.00 to get. But even 14.00 is too expensive for many. A passport costs 100.00 to get. But this is all mute. Only half of eligible Americans vote anyway. So we are on our way to Congress trying to even get our attention.And this is America.Anything you want , you can get regardless of the laws.
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@GreenMoo (11834)
20 Aug 12
I read somewhere that only a small percentage of Americans have a passport, compared to in Europe. Is the drivers licence, or the ID card which you have, acceptable for flying within the US?
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• United States
20 Aug 12
Yes. To Fly withing the U.S. , all you need is a photo I.D. But... many Americans don't fly. You can buy a bus ticket and go. All you need is the money.Plus if you Really need to , one could hire a cab to travel by car! This is why I see this as a inconvenience for a different set of people than the poor. The poor may vote and may not. But the middle class person who never used an I.D. to vote before will be surprised.
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• Canada
28 Aug 12
If there is to be a photo ID it should be a nation-wide right, and not only available to the rich and white.
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• United States
29 Aug 12
The photo id is available to most. It costs about 14.00 in my state. But the very poor can't afford it.
@jillhill (37354)
• United States
20 Aug 12
You need an ID for many things...why not voting? I don't mind showing an ID when I go through security at an airport...I don't mind showing my ID when I arrive in a foreign country....I don't mind showing an ID anytime it's asked of me....so why is it a big deal? All you have to do is get one and use it....even at Walmart when you use a check card....you have to show ID! Sometimes it for your own protection.
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• United States
21 Aug 12
If I needed to show a photo id at Walmart , I would shop there! And It Better be a damn good reason why a cop wants to see my I.D. I didn't steal anything and I am here legally! All of this won't stop whom they want it too. People of Color and Democrats will Still vote! What may happen is white Republicans may have to go back and find their I.D.
@stealthy (8181)
• United States
20 Aug 12
To me the purpose of having to have a photo I.D. to vote is to cut down on voter fraud. In my state voter fraud is a serious matter with scams to sign non-citizens up to vote happening all the time. Having to have an I.D. would at least make this a little harder to do than it is currently. Your view of politics is not very clear in what you wrote. My problem with both parties but in particular with the Democrats is that they are making government too big. The Democrats want as many people to be dependent on the government as possible because that is where they perceive there voter base to be. This increases taxes and increases the national debt.
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• United States
21 Aug 12
I think the Republicans want to take away as many rights of the people who are not just like them, you know women and people of color. This I.D. to vote is a small step . But like all their ideas , they will backfire and they will be the ones paying for it . How? If only Republicans get to vote, only Republicans will be the ones following these rules. All the others will just ignore the rules and soon there will Have to be more jails funded by more taxes.I'm a Democrat and I Believe in helping citizens out now so they can get that good job and pay taxes later. But if the help is never there, sooner or later the State will be forking the bill to house these people,in jail. If you think government is big now , just wait and see when the Government Has to tear down schools to put up more prisons.
@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
20 Aug 12
I really dont see why this is such a problem! If you are a citizen, you would have no problem. It doesn't have to be a drivers license...all states offer a State ID..my grand daughter at age 9 got one cause she wanted to open a bank account and needed ID for that. They aren't hard to get if you are a citizen of this country. The problem is that so many get ballots, but they aren't citizens. They have no right to vote and shouldnt be allowed to vote..no matter their nationality or political preference. And those in jail...if they did't do a crime they wouldn't be there. I we have more in jail than free..that just means more jobs for those that don't break the laws to be able to work to pay the taxes to support the jails. I thinkt hat if they'd make the punishment fit the crime and STICK TO IT...and make them pay the punishment for the crime they commit...there'd be lot less in jail!
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• United States
21 Aug 12
I have that type of I.D. because I don't drive. Mine cost about 14.00. But what if you are a citizen and you can't afford that 14.00? But that isn't why this law was passed. It was a way to get more votes for Republicans . And that is ok because it will backfire. Pretty soon there will be more restrictions to get less and less democratic votes . But by then most of us will disregard Congress anyway. Only half of us vote these days anyway. There will Always be more and more non white , perhaps democrats in this country. So they ay see this as a win but it will backfire. As for jail, if they don't make it a little easier , more of the population will be in jail and they will be paying more taxes to make more jails. This is what I mean by backfiring.
@marguicha (216953)
• Chile
20 Aug 12
In my country everyone has to have his ID with his picture in order to vote. you have to get this ID in an identification bureau that is part of the government. The price of it, including the picture, is about US $6. Anyone can afford it in my country, even the very poor. And it is not a question about if you can afford it or not: you must. In my country there are lots of jobs where people are paid about US$20 a day. Nevertheless, they have the money for their IDs. I did not understand why would people from some races be discouraged from voting. By the way, some years ago the President of my country forgot his ID when he went to vote. He was asked for his ID (a must when voting) and he said he had left it at home,but surely they all knew him. The people at the voting table told him "we know you, Mr. President, but go home and bring your ID, please". I think THAT is democracy
• United States
20 Aug 12
It is all about race. A Black man is president. He is democrat. The Republicans , the democrat's rival, think if they can ban more black people from voting , they can win the presidency. This has happened her before. Back in the 50's there was a fee black people had to pay Each time they voted. Those laws were overturned. Many a white middle classed person will be caught in this trap today. Like you president they are going to assume everybody knows them and they will be turned away! Over here there are many citizens without a photo I.D. How many were going to vote? Who knows. See over here only half of the eligible voters actually vote. And in the next 20 years there will be more non white Americans than white. So these people who want the non white people not to vote may get what they want But then they will be surprised when whatever the government passes gets ignored!
@djalex14 (195)
• Canada
22 Aug 12
The american ID prouve who you are so is verry imported in any state.Every citezen need to votle but it is a rule for that..We vote for our country for something better but not everytime will be something better.
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• United States
22 Aug 12
Over here it is a right but not everyone votes. In fact they say only half of eligible voters actually vote. This rule was a way to keep the poor out but.. I think many middle classed people may be turned away to go home and get their I.D.