Is this racism or stereotyping??

@James72 (26790)
Australia
February 8, 2007 10:20pm CST
You are walking down the street and see a group of black teenagers standing around a street corner..... Your heartbeat quickens, you become tense and you are extremely relieved when you walk past with no incident. Were they a gang? How would you assess this reaction? Is it stereotyping or would you define this as racism? The reference to "black" teenagers would immediately cause most people to scream racism; but think about it..... Airports giving Muslim travellers more attention than western travellers because of terrorist fears is another example. Stereotyping or racism??
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15 responses
• United States
9 Feb 07
Wow..thats a great point..and ya know i have been thinking about this for 15 mins now,.with a good answer..and i dont have one lol..I have though come to the conclusion that i think it could be both for some people.,..I live in a communtity that has 4% black and chineese..thats it.So I have never had to go threw anything like this..I am not racist,,or pejudice..yet i tested myself..I closed my eyes with this situation..and imagined.,.and i was scared,,,then i imagined a group of scary white men,,and i was just as scared,,being a woman..its scary to see a group of any males..god knowing what COULD happen..and though ther are racist people that may be scared because they are black and in groups..that could be what your talking about..BUT..also..put a woman in a street and have to walk by a group of scary l0ookin makes in a group and we all will be scared,,.,so it could be were just scared of what could happen...period..but who wil ever really know?
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
9 Feb 07
I actually didn't consider the point from a female's perspective! It certainly opens up a whole new way of thinking about my question..... Fact is, I am a white male and would be far more comfortable walking past a group of other white males on a street corner at night than a group of black males; and I am from Australia which is extremely multicultural. So am I a racist? Thanks for responding.
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• United States
9 Feb 07
humm..i dont know if you are,,if you saw a black man on the corner alone. and he said hello..hows it going? wil you talk back and say..hey great!! or will you ignore him and keep walking? in that case if you said keep walking..id say yes y ou are,..,BUT!!.LOL..in most cases a white man has more to worry about getting the crap beaing beat out of him for being white by a bunch of racist black men..and you know it..so in that case you could be..may i say..a bit scared yourself for what could happen?? And its less likely a group of white would attack you for no reason..unless there just..well..its strats with A and ends in holes lol..so what ya think?
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
9 Feb 07
Having thought about your question regarding a black man saying hello when I walked past..... I most definitely would not ignore him but I am sorry to say that I would probably be more cautious in that situation than if they were white. Sad but true unfortunately. (at least I am being open and honest about it)
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• United States
9 Feb 07
I'm with cloud_kicker. I live in an area with a lot of minorities and I really don't notice when I walk by a group of people what color they are. I do notice if they're male or female though! Does that make me sexist or just smart enough not to take chances? I also will be a lot more nervous walking by a young guy or group of young guys than an older man or men.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
9 Feb 07
Interesting..... Sexism or stereotyping?? That's a whole new discussion topic altogether! Maybe it is neither; but just instinctive behaviour? Thanks for responding.
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@Netsbridge (3253)
• United States
17 Mar 07
I think it is more like stereotyping, especially if one has had an unpleasant experience with people of the same ethnicity or race as those one is reacting to. How does it go? "Once bitten, twice shy." It is only natural for one to react with uncertainty after unpleasant experiences. For example, I would expect, say, a White female, to almost resent all Black males she encounters, if she were raped or abused by a Black male. It is simply human nature. However, I do hope unpleasant experiences do not blind us of justice or doing the right thing for the innocent.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
23 Mar 07
There is maybe a very fine line between racism and stereotyping in this case. The "hard core" liberals would definitely call it racism for sure. Thanks for responding.
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• United States
27 Mar 07
I beg to differ! There can only be racism in this example if one were looking for or wanted to make it racial. Would it have been better or more acceptable if I used White female (as victim) and Rich White male (as perpetrator)? I am sorry, but I am not the politically correct type - a simply call a spade a spade.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
28 Mar 07
Fair enough. And certainly no need to apologise!
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@luluwow (165)
• United States
16 Oct 07
well by dictionary definition you are prejudiced. You did in fact stereotype this group of individuals based on their color and it may have been racisit as you assumed, that do to your stereotype and prejudice, you were somehow better or in danger. As for airports and Muslims.. yes I believe this als involves all three elements.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
17 Oct 07
Actually you have introduced a very valid perspective that I did not even touch on! Prejudice..... This adds a whole new level to the scenario overall. Thanks for responding.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
17 Oct 07
Life's experiences...... Most definitely a HUGE influence on one's state of mind and overall perception of everything. That and the influence of those around us. Racism, stereotyping, prejudice or others; surely all opinions or beliefs that follow any of these titles can be directly attributed to the two things I have mentioned above. Thanks for taking part in the discussion.
@AD11RGUY (1265)
• United States
17 Oct 07
I think luluwow hit it on the head. I thought about your example and while under certain circumstances (i.e. observing behavior that "frightens" me)I might feel fear, I had to ask myself what kind of "group" of people would definitely give me the sensation per your description. I had two immediate answers - cops and skinheads. I'll let you ponder as to why. So it is indeed a matter of perception based on one's life experiences and it involves prejudice, stereotyping and occasionally, racism.
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@Margajoe (4709)
• Germany
13 Oct 07
I believe racism would be the answer if you were scared because it is a group of black teenagers. I believe that it would be called stereotyping when you are just afraid of any kind of group. Stereo because we could all be scared of things like this because of what we hear on the news and read in the newspaper. I have lived in Holland for over 20 years,there it is full of all soorts of people. It is normal there. What I have learned? It does not matter what race you are. There is good and bad in every race. We were all born naked and we will someday all die. We are actually all the same.Stereotyping or racism? You tell me. Take care.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
15 Oct 07
I agree that physiologically we are all the same; however I would lean more towards stereotyping than racism to describe someone who is scared by a group of black teenagers. I understand your point on it being stereotyping if it were afraid of any kind of group overall but you have said so yourself - We are all actually the same! If someone were to walk past a group of black teenagers and not only be scared but also hate them, ridicule them or feel they were of a higher standing than them because of their ethnicity; THIS I would call racism. Thanks for responding.
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@Margajoe (4709)
• Germany
21 Oct 07
Yes I see your point, you are right. Have a nice day.
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• United States
17 Oct 07
Here's a little tid bit of information for ya. According to FBI records the following is true. http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_43.html Among the 4 categories of race reflected in the UCR arrest data, 69.7% of persons arrested were white, 58.5% of persons arrested for violent crimes were white, and 68.2% of persons arrested for property crime were white. So, knowing those facts now and still feeling that way when you walk by an African-American then it is probably a little bit of racism.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
17 Oct 07
Wow again! That is most definitely an interesting statistic! So if it IS stereotyping or prejudice then some people in society have based their opinions purely on misinformation! I wonder what the ratio of African American's to whites are in the USA? I am going to go check now! Thanks for responding with such relevant statistics.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
17 Oct 07
For the record: According to the Census Bureau's 2005 American Community Survey the US population is as follows: * White alone, 74.7%, or about 215.3 million * Black American 12.1% or 34.9 million Although your crime statistics in relation to ethnicity are an eye opener, the massive difference in actual population would be a heavy contributor to this. Unfortunately, if you were to break it down into crime by ethnicity % versus population by ethnicity % the crime rate among whites is actually lower per 100 citizens. (Not trying to be racist; just factual. I hope it is not seen as me being racist)
@AD11RGUY (1265)
• United States
17 Oct 07
Wow. Leave it to the FBI to clear things up. Thanx for the data!
@SViswan (12051)
• India
21 Sep 07
Let me get a little technical here. Racism means believing that your race is superior than the other. So, if you were a racist, you would look down on the black teenagers (which apparently you didn't do). You were scared based on what your perception of black people (in general). Now I would put that as stereotype.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
24 Sep 07
Yes I agree..... My interpretation of the two is also based on the same reasoning as you have put forward. Racism is accompanied by malice or even hate. Stereotyping is a society influenced belief or expectation. Thanks for responding.
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@CWesto (30)
• United States
31 Mar 07
Well I am sure that a group of white girls wouldn't scare you as much as a group of black male teenagers... I think it is just because of all the stuff that we see on TV and whatnot which makes us a little more scared when we go by certain groups. Heck now because of the terrorism that you see and when you go to war (I am in the Army) when I see a muslim I damn near freak out! And no that never happened before 9/11.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
2 Apr 07
So much the same as with the skinny models creating a misconception of what is beautiful; the media plays a major role in creating these stereotypes? I agree. Thanks for responding.
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@Anakata2007 (1785)
• Canada
10 Feb 07
Honestly I think it's stereotyping. Because for one thing it would depend on where in the world I was. In my own hometown here in Canada, I wouldn't even think twice about seeing a group of black teenagers walking towards me. In fact I think I would feel safer with that scenario then I would with a group of white teenagers. There are not many black people here and the ones that are mostly African refugees and totally kind and harmless and very polite. however, lets say I was in LA or New York, then the stereotypes I'v learned because of Hollywood movies would cause me to feel apprehension if I was approached by a group of black teenagers.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
12 Feb 07
Fair point. Stereotyping in relation to cities etc is definitely alive and well and would contribute greatly to an individual's opinions. Thanks for responding.
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@liranlgo (5752)
• Israel
30 Mar 07
this is a very good topic when i just read it's content i "yelled" immediatly: stereotype and then i read again and said racism and stereotyping and at the third time i just had to go and read to reassure myself of what i think so according to the wikipedia: "Stereotypes are ideas held about members of particular groups, based solely on membership in that group Racism is a belief system or doctrine which postulates a hierarchy among various "human races" or ethnic groups." so those two definitions are members of the same family but if you will ask me specifically based on my eduacation and the environment i grew up in i would first say: stereotyping.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
31 Mar 07
Thanks! I agree, it is difficult to determine which one it is really because not only are the definitions of each somewhat similar in a way; but you can use arguments to lean one way or the other also. Thanks for responding.
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• United States
18 Mar 07
About the airports..you ask sterotyping or racism??? NO, its being smart ! On ther other hand, I caught a flight not long ago and myself, a lady in a wheel chair, and two very young teenagers were picked for special screening. Meanwhile, while we over there taking our shoes of and being searched like criminals, two guys with turbines on there heads, beards, etc, walked right on the plane. Shows how the government screws things up when they put their hands on things like airport security. Oh, I'm sure anyone of us in the special screening group was going to hijack the plane...specially the little old lady in the wheel chair...DUH ! Damn people, wake up !!!! It almost wished, even though it meant losing my own life that "Sadam, and Ben" with the turbines would have blown that plane all to hell. I can see the spin on the news now..."what a shame 125 people lost their lives on flight 398, but we didn't sterotype anyone in our security procedures....ain't we great"
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
23 Mar 07
I sort of see you point. But then again, anyone wishing to blow up a plane or something would most certainly go to great lengths to conceal their intentions. A wheelchair or an unassuming young person would be a pretty good cover yes? Things unfortunately are not always as they seem! Thanks for responding.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
30 Sep 07
As humans, it is in our nature to categorize everything we see in order to maintain some level of organization. It's something we do almost sub-consciously. This could be used to our advantage, like when we use what we think we can tell about a person to convince them to do something or buy something. It could also be to our detriment, such as thinking negatively about a person only to find out later that they aren't that way, and now you blew your chances at a friendship because of how you thought of them. It can also be used as a safety mechanism. I live in a town that isn't exactly the safest of places. As a young woman, I have much to fear if I'm alone and misjudge the character of a stranger only to find myself if the same area as a rapist or murderer. Therefore, I judge sub-consciously, even though I know I'm probably wrong. A man wearing "gangsta" clothing would be more suspect to me than a man in a suit. Now, that man in a suit could easily be a murderer or rapist, but judging from stereotypes and norms, that's not always, or usually, the case. This is stereotyping at it's finest. If something fits into our perception of a certain group, we automatically label it with the same characteristics of that group. In other words, we see a blond, and automatically think 'ditz', or we see a kid in a trench coat, and we think 'trench coat mafia' - that kind of thing. It's not racism unless you think negatively of all members of that race. I am by no means a racist, but you'd better bet that if I see a white/black/latino young man in "gangsta" clothing, hanging around with similarly dressed guys on a street corner, I'm going to be wary. They are strangers, after all.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
1 Oct 07
I agree with many of the points in your well thought out response! Your very last point is solid in that they are strangers after all. It is a fear of the unknown and yes, I agree wholeheartedly that it is an inbuilt safety mechanism to be wary of the unknown. Racism is certainly has a far more negative connotation than stereotyping. Thanks for your response.
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@vitekfdr (647)
• United States
5 Sep 07
i think this is racism nothing else
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
6 Sep 07
I can understand that the tag of racism would be applied here; yet am still convinced that it is still not as "black and white" as this...... (pardon the pun). As much as some of us would like to think that we are unbiased at all; or 100% accepting of each and everyone I honestly think that there would be a very limited number of people that can truly be this way. Whether it is societal influences or family influence; or any other influence, we all harbor some bias of some sort in my opinion. The more I think on this the more I am of the opinion that the example I gave for consideration is stereotyping more than anything else. If one was to purposely seek out and ridicule or belittle someone because of their presence as a person of a different culture etc or were to consider themselves superior becuase of this; then this I would consider racism.
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@Ramsakha (205)
• India
23 Sep 07
I will call it fear of the unknown. We hear that a certain incident has happened elsewhere where a person of your religion or race or country has been attacked by people of a particular religion or race or country. Now whenever you find yourself in such a situation you are afraid that they will attack you also.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
24 Sep 07
Fear of the unknown is most definitely a key factor here. Coupled with the fact that a majority focus is placed on negative connotations rather than positive in the media it is not really that unbelievable that so many of us think the way we do. As people, in a lot of instances we make our decisions based on what we experience personally. If we have not actually experienced something; then our perception is based on what we see, read or hear. Thanks for responding.
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@woodlin (158)
• United States
17 Oct 07
The answer is both are correct. Reason being is that due to either a bad experience of your own or someone else's you tend to think the worst. Also you tend to read or listen to way too many news articles that may also make it hard to trust other ethnics. The only reason that racism is a fact is because it is only about another race. It does not have to be a hate issue for it to be racism. Are you a bad person for this? No, not really. Why? Because you are not trying to harm those people, you are only trying to defer the possibility of yourself being harmed. I am a woman and I do Real Estate Appraisals. I have to enter the homes of hundreds of people each year. I know nothing about these people only that they are trying to get a loan for their house or to buy a house. I am probably the least racist person you would ever meet BUT I get freaked out too. I get scared to go to a "to be" foreclosed house that someone still occupies. I fear they will retaliate on me for their lender trying to take their home from them. I fear going into the heart of Minneapolis or St Paul because of the high as heck crime rates. I really get scared when I know there will be only a man meeting me there to inspect his home. You hear all to often of woman who get rapped, killed or what not so it scared the heck out of me. Am I racist for it? No, cause I fear no matter what race they are. I in all actuality can be considered a separate race. I know that sounds weird but as a woman you are in a class all of your own no matter what nationality you are. Am I a stereotyper? I would say yes I am. Due to all I know and all I hear I feel a reason to be scared. So to close, my answer to you is that as long as you are not harming other people with words or physical aggression then you are not being a bad person. Koodoos for being willing to be upfront and honest about something such as this!
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
17 Oct 07
I too would be concerned going to a foreclosed property that was still occupied! Regardless of the occupants race they are very likely to be upset! In my opinion no matter where you are, who is nearby or what you are doing, you should always err on the side of caution. Better to be aware and in tune with your surroundings at all times than to be unaware and vulnerable. The world and society in general is just too unpredictable..... I agree with your last point especially regarding it not being racism if you are not harming people with verbal or physical aggression (either directly or indirectly). And yes, honesty is certainly the best policy and I appreciate your acknowledgment of this. Thank you for responding.