Employers Can Be So Insensitive :-(
By Janey1966
@Janey1966 (24170)
Carlisle, England
February 7, 2011 3:40pm CST
Recently, I mentioned the fact that my brother is safe from all the cuts that his local Council are implementing, so that is good news as far as he is concerned.
However, not everyone is so lucky, especially here in Carlisle.
Today, my hubby overheard a conversation between two of his work colleagues. One was telling the other that his son-in-law was called into the office at Carlisle City Council for a meeting. Management let him know that his job was safe, much to his relief at the time.
When he got home he saw a letter telling him the same thing; his job was safe. That was the end of it (or so he thought) as there was a message left on his ansaphone at home. On it was some t*sser saying that his job wasn't safe at all and he was being SACKED!
At that point he had a heart attack brought on by the shock of hearing this dreadful news and is now in hospital.
Can't employers be a bit more sensitive in these situations? It may turn out that he was contacted by mistake (and I do hope that is the case) but, in the meantime, he is led in hospital due to the actions of his employer.
I'd sue!
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18 responses
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
7 Feb 11
Well, that is a bit bloody wrong. Geez, I hope the guy is alright!
I have never been sacked, so it is not something I have expereince with, but I kind of think that if an employer has to let someone go, then a face to face meeting with the boss, or a supervisor in charge is the only way that it should be done. Letters, emails or phone calls are not on! I would never do that to a person and would be very upset if someone did it to me.
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@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
8 Feb 11
Norma sounds like she was a right pain in the bum! Some people go on power trips when put in those leadership roles. I cannot stand that just about more than anything else in a workplace!
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
8 Feb 11
I think employers become more cowardly whenever they have to get rid of people. Especially those in middle management. I had one "middle" manager who KNEW I was being kept on but chose to keep the information from me. I'd been worrying all over Christmas about two people that could've gone for my job as re-deployment. I came back in the New Year and had a blazing row with this "Norma." She even followed me into the ladies saying "I KNOW something about you!" pointing menacingly a few inches away from my chest. I was so upset and angry I went to Personnel and was told that I wasn't the only person to come to them about this woman. I was advised to see my PROPER boss, Russ who looked at me non-plussed when I told him what had happened. He said that my job was SAFE and that Norma KNEW this all along and he couldn't understand why she was insinuating that I was about to lose the job I loved.
Some people really shouldn't be in middle management. She was sacked but over something else and the office improved markedly as a result of her departure.
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@meditated1 (238)
• United States
8 Feb 11
Yeah a very similar thing happen to my sister at her job. She was hired for seasonal work and at the end of the holidays, she had a couple of her supervisors inform her that her job was secure and that they were going to keep her on permanently. They even wrote out a letter telling her that she was a great employee and that they would love to have her continue her employment there. Then at the end of the day they had a meeting and said she was sacked. She was thrown such a curveball, and the supervisors asked her if she wanted a letter saying she was fired. People inside of businesses definitely be in better contact with each other and know whats going on with everyone elses plans.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
8 Feb 11
How terrible for your sister. Didn't she create a scene? I would've done! It's horrible how people are being treated in the workplace. It seems the downturn is a feeble excuse for employers to do what they like. At one time, I should imagine it was very difficult getting rid of someone but now they can use the lean times we are in to do so.
I hope your sister finds more work soon.
@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
9 Feb 11
Heavens!!! How could they do that??? I mean, you are breaking a bad news on someone, one should at least think a little... Over here, the employee is called in his office by the manager... And they give a little soothing though false support with their good wishes for a search for a new job... It depends however what kind of mistake has caused the sacking...
A colleague of mine was caught on CCTV when he stole RAM chips of our boss's computer.. He was sacked without warning etc... And it is justified too... It depends on the reason...
@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
11 Feb 11
I agree with you whole heartedly... A sick employee is a cause of worry for the management, because he/she keeps taking sick leaves which hampers the productivity... But still, they should consider that it is their doing... People have become fit even after severe heart problems... This guy may become fit too... I think they should give him a chance... If he doesn't get work now, he never will be able to be stable... My blessings for him...
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
9 Feb 11
It is wrong what they did to this guy. Because he had his heart attack though, he won't be able to go into work to sort it out once and for all. Hopefully, his family may do that for him. Unfortunately, even if he HAS kept his job after all..they may think twice now because of his heart attack, which is ironic in the extreme.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
8 Feb 11
Stories like this are coming out on a daily basis. Here in Carlisle, one person should've got told off in the Benefits Office regarding talking too much but the email (again sent my middle management) was sent to EVERYONE in that office, tarring them all with the same brush. It was worded in an extremely unprofessional way but that's not the point. The woman in question should've been warned about her behaviour IN PRIVATE and verbally but it didn't happen..they took the easy option to email but ended up upsetting everyone in the process. They have since apologised but it's too late now, morale has been damaged even more.
Thank God I don't work for Carlisle City Council is all I can say!
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@hofferp (4734)
• United States
7 Feb 11
That's awful! I hope the guy is ok AND I hope the message was a prank -- a very bad prank. And if it was a prank, I'd go after the person that did it. Not sure what you could charge him with, but I'd try... If it wasn't a prank, and it was a manager from the company, I don't know if you could sue, but I'd sure give them a piece of my mind. Discussion with a lawyer might be a first step...
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@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
7 Feb 11
That is not only sad but cruel..
Here in the US we do have laws that protect employee privacy. As if management is planning on "sacking" an employee they are not suppose to tell other employees private related information without informing the employee first.
I wish him well and hope all goes well.
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@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
7 Feb 11
I'm only hoping that the Council have got it wrong and have got him mixed up with someone else. Perhaps the telephone call was made by a person not communicating with management properly? This sometimes happens where there are "too many Chiefs and not enough Indians."
John can't ask anyone because they weren't talking to him directly..so I only hope it comes up in general conversation, as we all want to know if there is a positive outcome to this sorry mess.
Incompetence becomes a severe problem where employees' livelihoods are at stake.
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@derek_a (10874)
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8 Feb 11
Wow, Janey that is definitely not the way to give someone such news. In my mind, it is gut-less to leave messages on somebody's answer-machine. I have had to deliver bad news to people many times especially when I ran my own bands when I was a musician. Sometimes a gig wouldn't pay enough to employ all the musicians that worked with me, and I just had to tell them, but not by phone or letter, but face to face.
Having had a heart attack myself back int 2006, I know that it was stress that triggered it. I know I had a circulation condition that had been with me all my life, but it was stress that caused my blood to clot more than normal. It sounds as if he wasn't all that old either, and without such shocks, would have had more years without heart problems. Once a heart attack has occurred, it does change your life. They can do some great things, but it is always in the back of your mind, that you got to avoid the things that can bring another one on. I hope everything turns on the best for the guy.. And ending to one thing, could mean the start of something much better - so the saying goes, so best to see the glass as half-full... _Derek
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
8 Feb 11
Thanks for those encouraging words, Derek. To be honest, if he is sacked then it might be for the best. I mean, who would want to work for them? I certainly wouldn't. Capita are a big employer here and are a consultancy arm for the Council. I was interviewed a couple of times and noticed what a weird bunch they were..not dedicated at all. They have been told to work in Preston or face the sack. Preston is about 90 miles away on the train. I can't see many people re-locating. So I'm glad I don't work for them..and Carlisle City Council as well.
You see, there was a REASON why I didn't get jobs in those two places, I realise that now. It is leading to something else instead, what I don't know but it's SOMETHING!
@amirev777 (4117)
• India
8 Feb 11
Hi
Yes, what you are saying is true-employers can really be very insensitive. But at the same time, we must remember that all the employers are businessmen, and their sole aim is to make money. They employ you to help them realize that goal, and as long as you are delivering the goods, they will surely look after you. But once they see there is no satisfactory output from your side, the employers have the right to dismiss you.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
8 Feb 11
There are ways of doing it though, certainly not over the phone, I would've thought.
@amirev777 (4117)
• India
8 Feb 11
Hi
Yes, there are better ways, certainly not over the phone. I agree with you fully. Hope I haven't offended you with my reply.
@tamarafireheart (15384)
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8 Feb 11
Hi Janey,
That is a terrible thing to do to anybody, but he has a letter, also was told at the meeting that his job is safe, so I hope someone will tell him that when he is well again, he CAN!! sue the company for just verbally saying it on the phone, all is not lost for him if he use his head and not worry so, I hope this man is ok.
Tamara
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
8 Feb 11
Hi Tamara
It is terrible, I agree. Unfortunately, because it was an overheard conversation John can't go asking his work colleague about his son-in-law to see how he is. He will have to rely on him coming up in conversation again. If he "hears" anything I shall let you know.
Sorry state of affairs isn't it?
@dainy1313 (2370)
• Leon, Mexico
9 Feb 11
Janey1966 it is very hard!! It´s cruel, and its true. Employeers seem to be so insesitive, just because they have the "money" to be so. Of course it is not fair. I wish he has recovered from his heart attack. My prayers for him. Blessings!... Dainy
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
9 Feb 11
Many thanks for your prayers, you're very kind. Sometimes I'm glad I'm not in work as it's all so volatile at the moment.
@frontvisions101 (16043)
• Philippines
8 Feb 11
Yeah, I suggest he leave the message on the phone as evidence. That is such an insensitive thing to do. They should have just talked to him calmly about it. I guess after hearing that his job was safe he got relieved from all worries but as soon as he read the message, he got shocked again but this time maybe twice the amplitude as before.
@frontvisions101 (16043)
• Philippines
9 Feb 11
Well, if what you're saying is true about Carlisle City Council, then he shouldn't have worked there in the first place. He should have just searched for a lighter job that doesn't require much of his time considering he has heart complications and all.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
8 Feb 11
What I'm hoping for is that the person leaving the message got their wires crossed and didn't know that he'd been given the all-clear by someone else. I'd be very surprised if it's the same people ringing up. However, judging by the fact that this guy had a heart-attack after hearing the news, then that suggests to me that it was indeed the same people who he'd been chatting to in that meeting earlier the same day.
Beggar's belief that this kind of thing can happen but we are talking Carlisle City Council here. I've read lots of negative stories about them and management - in particular, are incompetent, so anything goes..and usually does.
Where is the Union when this type of thing happens? That's what I'd like to know!
@changjiangzhibin89 (16761)
• China
8 Feb 11
May your hubby makes a quick recovery from his illness.At the time of economic slump,everybody feels insecure.Just as you have said:"not everyone is so lucky."When the nest is overturned no eggs stays unbroken(as the saying goes).I think the employers don't have an easy time either.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
8 Feb 11
I must stress that it isn't my husband that has been sacked. It is someone related to a work-colleague. We don't know the person in question but sympathise with his plight as there is a lot of this kind of thing going on at the moment, due to the downturn and people being sacked left, right and centre.
@changjiangzhibin89 (16761)
• China
9 Feb 11
I am sorry,I got it wrong,mistook a work-colleague for your husband.
@imnobodyspecial (318)
• United States
8 Feb 11
In my estimation this was extremely unethical on the parts of all participants other than the person who ended in the hospital.
While an argument might be raised that he was eavesdropping, it's also difficult not to overhear conversations under certain circumstances. A phone call to announce that a cut has been made and he is the one who will be unemployed is unethical in the extreme and if a joke in extremely poor taste and as shown a threat to the health and well being of others.
Since there was communication both verbal and written between him and his employer if the message is still on the machine I would think there is grounds for legal recourse.
I suggest the family consult an attorney in this matter as clearly there should be some consequences for the act which has resulted in this man's illness and hospitalization.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
8 Feb 11
You are right, it is unethical and downright wrong and I hope his family (if he is too unwell) sue them, I really do.
@cashsearcher11 (153)
• Philippines
8 Feb 11
Sad to hear what had happened to your husband. They must be responsible enough on relaying such information to their employees.I hope he's now well and can work.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
8 Feb 11
It's not my husband this happened to. He overheard a conversation in his office regarding someone in another workplace. We don't know the guy in question. Even so, it's sad what has happened to him.
@dfollin (25347)
• United States
7 Feb 11
No one should be notified by phone!Legally it has to be in writing.I would sue whoever that itty it was that left that phone message.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
7 Feb 11
It is possible that the call was made in error. We shall have to wait and see..and yes, I would sue as well!
@cripfemme (7698)
• United States
8 Feb 11
I don't think you can sue because you had a heart attack. If you could every banker who foreclosed on a house would be responsible and they're not. Of course, you can always try.
@BarBaraPrz (47361)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
8 Feb 11
Was it actually the employer, or someone who go sacked making trouble?
Though, I do know of at least one instance of someone being fired over the phone, after they put in a day's work...
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
8 Feb 11
That's awful. I don't know how people can be so insensitive, I really don't. As far as I know it was the employer ringing this guy up telling him he was sacked. John hasn't heard any more about it today so I guess that's that.
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@shaggin (72146)
• United States
8 Feb 11
That is so sad. What a terrible thing to have happen for the poor guy to be so upset upon hearing that news that he had a heart attack. I wonder if it was just a prank call even like say a friend who was joking around and didnt think anything like that would happen. I hope that it was just a misunderstanding and that he has not lost his job. Now since he will have to recooperate from the heart attack I hope they wont fire him for having to take time off. I cant imagine a boss firing someone over the phone. That should be something they should have to do in person.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
8 Feb 11
No doubt they would've had him back in the office the following day but, now that he's in hospital, they can't. Hope they are pleased with themselves. Low lives.
John hasn't heard anything more regarding the latest on this chap but I didn't get chance to talk to him much as he's gone out playing snooker. If I hear anything else I shall mention it here.