Help me solve the mystery behind this painting

The mystery painting - Help me solve the mystery behind this painting
@Anniedup (3651)
Richards Bay, South Africa
April 20, 2007 9:37am CST
Here is a very interesting story. My husband is from the Netherlands, He inherited a painting from his grandfather. During the second world war, when the Germans occupied Holland, his grandfather took all their valuables and paintings and hide it from the Germans. He took all the paintings out of their frames, and rolled it up and hide them in cardboard rolls in the cellar. Years later after the war he had them all framed again. Unfortunately some of them were damaged. The one my husband inherited, was damaged at the bottom where the artist would normally sign the painting, they had to cut it smaller, with the result the painter’s name was removed. It is a beautiful painting of a little boy or girl on a staircase. I would just like to know who the artist was, or anything related to this painting.
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@Denmarkguy (1845)
• United States
20 Apr 07
It's a nice looking painting-- shame it was damaged; unfortunately much art was lost to the world during WWII. Most likely your painting is Dutch, Flemish or (southern) German. The openness of the room, width of the staircase and size of the window (glass panes used to be VERY expensive) suggests that the painting is probably from the early to mid-1800s. That also matches up with the style of painting figures from the back (or "going away") being popular from around the 1820's till the turn of the century. Beyond that, however, I can't tell a whole lot without seeing the painting in person. And even then, it might be difficult...
@Anniedup (3651)
• Richards Bay, South Africa
21 Apr 07
Hi Denmarkguy, Thank you very much for your interest in my painting. It is very frustrating, for me because I searched the INTERNET from nook to cranny and couldn't find anything. My knowledge of art is limited to "oh it is beautiful" LOL I know it is difficult to really see it here the photo didn't come out like I wanted it to. I can remember vaguely that there was a painting called "Kind op die trap" translating it directly "child on the stairs" but I couldn't find anything under that title either. Thank you very much for your response and who knows maybe someone here on MyLot stumbles on it, and shed more light on it.
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@Kylalynn (1771)
• South Africa
20 Apr 07
Hello Anniedup, Havent been around mylot for a while, been a little bit busy. Your topic is very interesting. I know that a lot of people hid valuables from the Germans during the war. I heard of a case where Elizabeth Taylor bought a Van Gogh for a huge sum of money. Years later (I think a Jewish man) insisted it was from his family and had been hidden during the war and then went missing. Unfortunately I never heard the outcome of this. I do know Liz Taylor did not want to part with it, saying that she had bought it. It is sad that the signature is gone. It would also be interesting to know if your husbands grandfather hid because of monetary value or sentimental reasons! Either way, what a lovely inheritance. If you get time, perhaps you could photograph it and post it. I would love to see it. I studied recreational fine art for 4 years and loved it. I have done a lot of paintings and drawings, but have not done anything lately. What about taking the painting to an art valuer, perhaps he/she would recognise the artist and be able to value you it also.
@Anniedup (3651)
• Richards Bay, South Africa
21 Apr 07
Oh thank you girl for your interest, it is a beautiful painting. Denmarkguy, mentioned quite a few aspects of the painting. I can't stand a mystery, I just got to know, and the funny part is, it doesn't bother my husband. I would love to know who the child was and whose house it was. Lets keep our fingers cross the right person here will see it. I am so excited!!!
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@Kylalynn (1771)
• South Africa
23 Apr 07
It would not bother my husband either. Guys can be strange. It would worry the life out of me and would really love to know. Don't forget to let me know 'when' you find out!
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@Kylalynn (1771)
• South Africa
23 Apr 07
Another PS. think it must be a shortage of hrt. I was tellling my mum about your painting. She said the guy in question with the painting old Lizzie has was from S.Africa. But she never heard the outcome either. But apparently he did take the issue to court. Interesting hey! Just wish one of us knew the flipping outcome.
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• United States
24 Apr 07
Hey Anniedup. I just returned from Boston this afternoon after attending a business seminar. If it wasn't for the fact that it was held in Boston, I would have pulled my hair out. I always come home with some antique books when I go there. I took an enhanced printed image of your painting with me and posed the queries of who and where after giving your summary. I couldn't find anyone there who could shed any light and I won't pretend to know any more. Your best bet is to contact one of the following three auction houses; Christie's http://www.christies.com/home_page/home_page.asp Skinner http://www.skinnerinc.com/ Sotheby's http://www.sothebys.com/ Contact the appropriate department head and ask what materials they need to make an assessment (not appraisal). Chances are they will ask for a summary like the one you provided us, along with some images. All via email or snail mail. They are usually flexible. ‹(°¿°)›
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• United States
26 Apr 07
My pleasure. I have a friend who from time to time auctions antiquarian books through Skinner in Boston. Any of those three auction houses will surely give you insight or at least point you to someone who can. The trip was primarily a networking and hand shaking trip. I really dread them but they are a necessary evil in todays pretentious business world. Ugh. I'm sure in the long run it will, no doubt, prove to be profitable. ‹(°¿°)›
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@Anniedup (3651)
• Richards Bay, South Africa
24 Apr 07
Oh jumpinjack you are something!! Thank you so much for your time and extra trouble, I really appreciate it very much. I am going to take the picture to a professional photographer, because I can't get a perfectly clear photo, and then I am going to follow your advice. Once again, thank you very much, you are the "bestest" Was your trip a fruitful and profitable one, I hope so:)
• Saudi Arabia
22 Apr 07
Hi Annie . . . Your hubby is from Netherlands, that's quite interesting, i visited Amsterdam four times, liked it very much and people were real friendly. Anyways, the painting is real cool damn i very much loved it. Guess it's not for sale. let me know if it is :D Well regarding solving the mystery of your painting, it is not really an easy task honestly i did a few searches with several keyword enteries online since yesterday but all my attempts were doomed 2 failure, BUT i came across a site which belongs to Indiana University and they have this thing called (Indiana University Art Museum Provenance Project) where they study the origin of paintings and works that could have been in Europe during the Nazi era (1933-1945) Try to contact them, maybe they can help you solve this mystery. http://www.iub.edu/%7Eiuam/provenance/ Good luck and thanx for your AVP, i guess you know what it means by now (Send me updates on this issue if something happened)
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• Saudi Arabia
23 Apr 07
Well the Red Light District was right behind the Krasnapolsky Hotel ha ha
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@Anniedup (3651)
• Richards Bay, South Africa
26 Apr 07
My lips are sealed:))
@Anniedup (3651)
• Richards Bay, South Africa
22 Apr 07
Thank you deadraven, glad you had a good time in the Netherlands, hope you stayed in the right district! hie hie Thank you for the link will check it out asap!
• South Africa
27 Apr 07
I am no arty fart*y but this painting is beautiful, and a very interesting story behind it, hope you get it solved!
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@Anniedup (3651)
• Richards Bay, South Africa
29 Apr 07
I'm no art critic, but beautiful, is beautiful! Thank you for looking at it sir. The minute I get word on it MyLot will be the first to know. I have taken it out the frame for a professional photographer to take a decent photo, and then I'm sending it via email to the contacts I received here on MyLot
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• United States
20 Apr 07
Annie, this is an incredible discussion. I love art. I love mystery. I love research. I will be back..as Arnie said in The Terminator.
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• United States
20 Apr 07
I am disappointed to say the least. I could not find anything. Similar descriptions but the same thing. You must keep us posted on what you find out.
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• United States
20 Apr 07
I am still looking at the picture. It is quite beautiful.
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@Anniedup (3651)
• Richards Bay, South Africa
21 Apr 07
It is a beautiful painting, and it intrigues me so much although my husband is not the curious type. Maybe I will take it with in December when we are visiting my daughter, in the UK, and let some experts there look at it. If customs will allow me that is, and if my husband will let me take it out of the frame. LoL