Why shouldnt others step up and take partial blame?
By Ravenladyj
@Ravenladyj (22902)
United States
April 21, 2007 7:20am CST
There is a great thread goin on here about whether or not the bullies are partially to blame for what Cho Seung-Hui did at V-Tech......Some ppl think he is SOLELY to blame, others (including myself), think that there are others to blame as well including the bullies......Ppl are misunderstanding IMO the severity of long term abuse....so let me ask this
1 - Aileen Wornus *sp* was severely abused sexually, verbally, mentally and emotionally right from childhood....Her story is enough to make anyone cringe IMO....
Should those ppl NOT be responsible for driving her mad (and she did lose her mind literally) and ultimately becoming a serial killer?
2 - my nephew took his own life at 11 yrs old due to being a victim of long term harsh bullying/abuse, neglect and being raised in a domestically violent home (his step father used to beat his mother HORRIBLY and was a serious alcoholic).....
Should he be the ONLY ONE responsible for what the end result was?
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14 responses
@kathy77 (7486)
• Australia
22 Apr 07
Yes I have read about this and heard it on the news but unfortunately Cho Seung-Hui, was a very sick man and should of been in a mental institute and been treated for his illness and this way nobody would or could of been killed or hurt by this man. Of course others should be blamed for their actions to what they do they mental torture people and then the person cannot take any more and then snap I do not think that the people that commit these crimes are 100% to blame.
@beaniegdi (1964)
•
21 Apr 07
I fully understand what you are saying. It is the same with people who abuse children and when you look into their background you find that they where abused as children. It is a fact that you are more likely to become a child abuser if you were abused as a child.
I thinnk in this case the guy does appear to have been mentally ill and that he was not in his right mind. Whether that was caused by bullying I wouldn't know but it is very sad for everyone involved.
@marciascott (25529)
• United States
22 Apr 07
Everybody is to blame, because he was there right up under everyones noses and no one could see it untill after the fact. Security, Metal detectors, Pyhcolistist, Teachers Students. Family Members. He had problems and no one would speak up.
@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
3 May 07
thats just it....you are SO RIGHT marciascott...ppl should have had the nerve or just the compasion and concern to speak up before it got to this...
@APMorison (424)
• United States
21 Apr 07
Some people, a lot of them either bullies themselves or the 'kids who stood by and laughed because they weren't the victim' will NEVER understand how hurtful, painful and Damaging being a repeated victim can be. It prays on the mind of the victim in a vicious cycle.
If the victim is already someone with the potential for mental health issues it just makes it worse.
If the person is normal and basically healthy one or two incidents - they will most likely get past - but repeated beatings, repeated exposure to violence, repeated verbal/emotional/mental abuse builds up over time - No Different than being in a Prison Camp.
I was not one of the 'Beautiful People', the 'In Crowd' in school so I was harassed mercilessly for the entire time I was in school. To this day I still have issues meeting people, I shy away from dealing with people who remind me of my past tormentors. I put on a 'good front' because I must to be able to function in the world, but there is never a time at almost 50 that those years of harassment do not in some way Inform My Life still.
I occasionally still run into the attitudes even now, from the next generation of Bullies. I went into a dress shop to look for my wedding dress some years back. The size 2 sales girl actually asked me "How A Fat Cow Like Me Caught A Man" and told me Point Blank that "their store doesn't carry wedding dresses for Heffers".
I am not the cry and run type like I was in school anymore. I had the satisfaction of making it out of the store with my head high, after having had a little tet-a-tet with the store manager and the Sales Girl Preceeded me from the store with an immediate dismissal.
That did not stop the fact that the words said hit like a fist to the face and I did eventually cry, at home, in private. I was there for what was supposed to be a happy reason, but years of being the butt of such prejudice left a part of me that could still be pulled back out by an unfeeling twit. I saw red, I wanted to strike out physically - I managed to not do so, but only by the barest measurement. If I had struck out that careless girl would have reaped the full load of pain created by all those who came before her as well as her own trashy mouth.
I have, as the years have passed, come to some better grip of my anger at having been a victim for so long. Of having to not only deal with my peers being unthinking jerks, but that the parents and administrators saw it all as "kid stuff" and "mostly harmless". Its not harmless when its allowed to continue. Its not harmless when the bullies get the message its Okay to make a victim of someone when no one makes them stop because "its just kid stuff".
I am, in a way, at the place now where I am like the Dean in Revenge of the Nerds, finally able to tell the bullies to Take A Hike and Get Over Yourselves.
In the case of a child who may already have issues due to mental health problems already in play or which can be pushed into play by this kind of repeated victimization - there is no way to predict what will happen as the child absorbs this abuse and eventually becomes the adult shaped by all these factors.
Of course the bullies don't want to do anything but blame the person who finally 'broke' - if they actually took responsibility for their contribution to this they might have to look too deeply at their own mean-spirited selves and realize that making themselves look big and important by slamming someone else not only doesn't work, it has consequences beyond the Moment. It means that they are not the Prefect People they thought they were and that sometimes the Beautiful People have an interior more ugly than the exterior that they berated - they don't want to face the hard, cold center of their own heart, because then they just might feel some of the pain they caused others.
No, they are not Completely responsible for the actions of the shooter, but they were part of the conditioning that led to the final breakdown of the shooter's mind and control. If they don't learn to take that responsibility, to teach their children that lesson, or other children that lesson - this will just keep happening - again and again.
@onabreak2 (1161)
• United States
21 Apr 07
Everyone has been bullied at one time or another. Life has not always been rosie for most of us. But we don't go out and murder. We get past it. This person was mentally ill and a deeply disturbed person. He didn't get that way overnight. He had been that way for years. His Mother told his Aunt she was worried about him over and over again she mentioned this to the Aunt. I want to know why all these people who noticed how weird he was including teachers. Why didn't anyone get help for him. If even one of these people had gotten real help for him this whole incident would not have happened. So in a word yes there are other people responsible for this.
@Springlady (3986)
• United States
23 Apr 07
Yes, I believe everyone has been "bullied" by someone or something in some way. Some have it much harder than others.
We have to ignore those kinds of people and seek help when it starts to get to us...depression, anger, etc.
I, personally, seek the love of my family and most of all, the love of my Heavenly Father Who created me and loves me more than I can ever imagine. No one can take me from Him.
@onabreak2 (1161)
• United States
23 Apr 07
Galena, I disagree with you. I am not going to take a survey about it but I do believe everyone in one way or another has been bullied. We all choose how we let things like that dictate our life's. Most of us choose to let it go and get on with our lives or we can let the people who bully us win and rule our lives forever.
You have to let the negative things in your life go and focus on the positive or you will be a miserable negative person. You have a life so let it go and live.
Live while you are alive or as the old saying goes -Live Like You are dieing.
@mmiller26 (1930)
• Canada
21 Apr 07
I don't think bullying had much to do with it. From everything I've read, this was an extremely disturbed individual who resented everyone around him for one reason or another. He took photos of girls without their knowledge and stalked women via the internet. He wrote increasingly violent stories where people were tortured and/or killed and made people very uncomfortable when they were around him. It sounds like he was bullying in a passive-agressive manner. Personally, I think he was messed up in the head and if we could have gotten a peek at his thoughts while he was planning all of this, we'd all be frightened.
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@APMorison (424)
• United States
21 Apr 07
Bullying some one who already has a problem makes the problem that much worse - think about this - in many of those stories he started off with the basically repaying those who tormented him - as his own issues took over, yes, the decompensation became more obvious - but the bullying was not a Null Issue With No Impact.
Bullying has never been a Null Issue With No Impact - it never has been - some of us just manage to deal with it without killing someone, but the damage is part of us for the rest of our lives.
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@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
22 Apr 07
"Bullying some one who already has a problem makes the problem that much worse "
thank you for mentioning that because it is a huge factor...
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@barryallen (941)
• United States
22 Apr 07
IMO he's the only one to blame because his mind cannot withstand a harsh environment
@Marie2473 (8512)
• Sweden
21 Apr 07
Sure, the bullies had something to do with him going crazy, hoever there are thousands, maybe even millions of people beeing bullied all over the world and not even a percent of them would even think about doing soemthing like this.
I do belive that the state are to blame for some of it, coz from what I have read he had alot of problems and people knew that he was mentally disturbed and he even looked for help for it long time ago... but noone ´cared.
If he would have gotten help, maybe this could have been avoided.
@GnosticGoddess (5626)
• United States
22 Apr 07
I am with you on this.
I think a little bit of everyone involved in his life has some responsibility.
I do think that a life like that can lead one to 'lose it'. It's no way to live...or to be treated for that matter!
I am so sorry to hear about your nephew! That is one of the saddest things I have ever heard! I could not imagine at that age even thinking of ending my life! I am so sorry!
@harwoodkp (285)
• United States
22 Apr 07
I understand what you are saying about bullies and abuse. I was one of those quite kids that was picked on at school. I could of used that as an excuse and tried to hurt a lot of others, or even took my own life. I realized on early that even though we are a product of our environment, we still make the choice what we do with the pains and hurts and depression.
The ownly explaination I could come up with this is that I did not watch violient films as a child, or read the scary violent comics or books, and did not listen to violent music. I am a firm believer that what we put into our heads is how we will act out in public.
It comes down to that we can not really blame the abusers and bullies. What we can do is help break the circle of violence so this will stop. do what it takes, life is pretty precious.
@gemini1960 (1161)
• Philippines
22 Apr 07
that was a good example and issues here, its true we musnt blame or put an accusing finger only to the korean boy, peer pressure and some other factors help him to grow such as that kind of attitude, let us open our eyes to this issues and make some precautionary measures so that it wonthappen again..
@Springlady (3986)
• United States
7 May 07
The only one to blame is Cho. He did this. He chose to allow evil to control his life. People tried to help him...to include him and he pushed them away. He knew exactly what he was doing. There is no one else to blame. Unfortunately, evil is around us, but I'm so glad that God is with us and those who know Him have nothing to fear because we are His children.
@edgar1868 (204)
• Philippines
21 Apr 07
A very sorry situation indeed. I feels so painful to know that not all people have the opportunity to be touched by individuals who could have changed their lives towards goodness or righteousness. Had they been counseled or helped by their parents,friends,teachers,coaches,etc. They could have possibbly changed the course of their lives. Even you can make a difference to some peoples lives. You will never know...the ripple effect of the goodness that you do can prevent horrible things to happen.
@student7 (1002)
• United States
22 Apr 07
I think that the parents should share in the blame for their children's actions. I think if parents abuse their children and their children do horrible things, then they should be held accountable as well. I think the parents of the Columbine shootings should have been more in touch with their children. The things parents need to do with their children, is to ask questions. I know it may tick off the children, but if a parent is involved then the chances of the children doing something horrible is less. I think the parents who abuse/d their children should not have children. I was a victim of abuse and I have grown from that experience and know that it was not my fault. I think parents of bullies, serial shooters, killers should share in the blame.