Do you believe that birth order does affect one's personality?
By kiddygurl
@kiddygurl (803)
Singapore
April 29, 2007 11:24am CST
Alfred Adler came up with the theory saying that birth order affects personality. "He argued that birth order often can lead an indelible impression on the individual's style of life, which is a habitual way of dealing with the tasks dealing with friendship, love, and work." Of course, there are other factors involved in shaping each individual's personality, which include parents' parenting style, gender, social economic level, etc. However, he claimed that most of the time, birth order is a great indicator of one's personality.
Would you agree with this? Parents, do you believe in the existence of birth order?
Personally, I do believe so. Being a second child of 3, I do feel that growing up, I always had insecurities in the family. I often felt left out though my parents never meant to do so. Even now, sometimes, I could still feel that way. And I have heard other supporting stories, too.
What do you think?
Some more resources about birth order on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_order
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14 responses
@syain1972 (1011)
• Singapore
30 Apr 07
YOu've brought up a very interesting topic. However, being the youngest isn't the easiest in my case. Though I may be the baby of the family, I've been shouldering a lot of responsibilities that my siblings have escaped from doing. This is due to the fact that both my elder siblings wha are about 6 years gap from me, are away at work while I'm still schooling. My Sis is hardly around as her work requires her to jetset most of the time while my brother works at night as a night auditor. Thus, my parents hardly saw them except me. I am always the one to be doing the housework and all. When things doesn't get right, I am always the one to be blamed. When I do not do too well in school, I am always compared to my over-achieving siblings and really, I felt so insecured. To me,being the youngest is really torture.... I never liked being the youngest and I do not find the studies done on birth order is that accurate!! :
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@kiddygurl (803)
• Singapore
1 May 07
That's true... Though the study on birth order sets a 'template' on one's personality, everybody should not neglect the other factors that shape one's personality... In my case, I found it very interesting that some of their descriptions definitely match with my conditions.. =) Still, I have heard that other second children of 3 undergoing a better or worse life than what I had experienced.. So, it does affect differently among different families, environments, social economic levels, etc... =) Thanks for sharing your story with us, syain1972! =)
@syain1972 (1011)
• Singapore
1 May 07
The pleasure is mine.... best regards....:
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@eshuniki (132)
• India
30 Apr 07
Yes birth order does affect the personality of a person.I m the first child of three in my family.And yes i too hav experinced insecurities as a child.
I think that every child at some point of time feels this that their being born at any order has some or the other negative effects.Well they might think that they r loved less than their younger or older siblings.I m sure all will agree to this that they hav felt like this in their lives.
But now that i m a mother of 2 i hav realised that its something that's natural.Even my elder son often complaines that i love his younger sister more than him.So i think that its bound to happen,even if we try to explain it to them that its not true and that i love them both equally.But he wont listen.
But its also our duty as parents to try and explain it to them so that this feeling doesnt effect their morale and make them into a insecure person with lack of self-confidence.
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@kiddygurl (803)
• Singapore
26 May 07
I agree.. I think it is quite natural to happen.. As Adler said, when the oldest kid was born, he or she got all the attention from both parents fully.. When younger kids were born, the oldest will feel that attentions are no longer for him or her only..which makes sense, you know, because, of course, the baby needs the parents' attention more than the older kids.. Now, they feel that rivals are coming... Although parents are trying to be as 'neutral' as possible to their kids, I would still believe that they could feel differences in how parents treat each kid in the family..
Thanks for your response, eshuniki! =)
@loujac3 (1188)
• United States
30 Apr 07
I have to agree with you. I was the 3rd of 4 and we younger ones got blamed for things that the olders one did. They got to learn how to water ski but the youngers at 10 and 11 were told that we were to small or young. The oldest is a boy and he was treated special because back then to have a son was so special. Today he is worthless and refuses to work or take care of himself.
I struggle with personality disorders due to abuse I took from my brother and my aunt who helped raise us.
I decided that I would not have more that two children. I also wanted girls since I feared what happened to me. I have two wonderful and well educated daughters who I love with all my heart.
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@kiddygurl (803)
• Singapore
26 May 07
Yeah.. I have to say that it does affect both our parents' parenting style, their expectations of the kids, and the kids themselves. I hope you are doing much better now with yourself and your daughters... Take care..
@lissaj (532)
• United States
30 Apr 07
Yes, I do. I think that with the first child, parents expect a lot, they want to be the best parents, so forth. This leads the first born or only children to aim higher and do better at things. After the first, comes competition among the siblings, and no matter how many times parents say they treat their children the same, it doesn't happen. They expect different things out of each child.
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@kiddygurl (803)
• Singapore
19 May 07
Yeah.. I agree.. Though parents always say that, I also believe that somehow they do expect differently from their kids. Remember when you were little, and though your younger sibling was unfair to you, you always had to let it go just because you're the eldest in the family? Yep, parents do treat kids differently!
Thanks for sharing your opinion, lissaj! =)
@monkeywriter (2004)
• United States
30 Apr 07
I believe so. I believe also kids raised by others are also bad. My mom for example the "baby" tends to baby my youngest sister. I know lots of things affect how we act and such but truly I believe its true. The Birth Order Book (Author??) Is supposed to be good. I've read part of it and thats where I got the whole baby does baby thing.
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@kiddygurl (803)
• Singapore
22 May 07
Yeah.. I might want to buy one of these books under this topic in the future.. I heard that it does help you understand one's personality better... My friend used to read it before her wedding... I think that there was a part of birth order in the love life in her book.. It discussed how birth order affect romantic relationships when you are older... For example, what usually happens when a firstborn meet a firstborn, etc... It is just interesting, don't you think? =)
Thanks for dropping by, monkeywriter! =)
@dex1486 (272)
• Philippines
30 Apr 07
i believe in that. i'm the first child of two and being the elder sibling, i feel that my parents expect more from me than my younger brother. i have this personality that i always see to it that i'm the standard-setter between me and my brother. he, then, is trying hard to surpass the standards. i think that eldest children tend to be the leader type of people.
@kiddygurl (803)
• Singapore
22 May 07
Yes... I think that a lot of the time, too, is that parents treat us differently according to our birth orders...and their behaviors and expectations towards the kids do affect how the kids will grow up to be later on...
Thanks for sharing with us, dex1486! =)
@jennybianca (12912)
• Australia
30 Apr 07
It is hard for me to give examples, as there were only two childrn in our family. My brother & myself. I am threee years older than my brother.
I have heard of the birth order being an indicator of how a child's personality will turn out.
I was more confident as a child than my brother, & a lot more sociable.I have heard that the eldest child is usually more academic & more of an achiever, & that is the case with my brother & myself.
Good discussion.
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@kiddygurl (803)
• Singapore
13 May 07
Your case supports the birth order argument. =)
Thanks for your reply! =)
@CarlyLaine (759)
• United States
30 Apr 07
Good topic....
I am a bit bratty, spoiled...you know first born stuff...I was bossy with my three siblings when I was younger, but heck now I'm in my 50s and I don't do that anymore. I respect them as adults as I hope they respect me.
My first husband was a MIDDLE CHILD...laid back. I had to hold a mirror to his nose to check to see if he was breathing sometimes.
Second husband BABY of the family. Too bossy and pushy.
BOYFRIEND now is the oldest...man do we have some good battles for control. I want to control me only and SO DOES HE!
Thank you for this discussion.
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@kiddygurl (803)
• Singapore
28 May 07
Wow..!!! Your stories sure are interesting!! Thank you for sharing them with us, CarlyLaine... Hahaha.. My friend used to explain a little bit how birth order affects relationship... It is exactly like what you told me... What happens if a firstborn marries a middle child, etc... Of course that there is no guarantee, but it gives general template or idea of how people behave in relationships, according to each individual's birth order... But it definitely interesting!!
Once again, thanks for your stories... =)
@prestocaro (1251)
• United States
29 Apr 07
Yes, I believe this. I believed it before I started taking psychology classes, but after I took a course on the theory of personalities, I felt much mroe strongly about it. Now when I meet my friends brothers and sisters it is interesting to me to theorize about how they got their wonderful personalities. I have noticed that I'm not really friends with any first born children -- except my sister, but then, she's much more than just a friend. I find first born children to be very long-winded and easily distracted while speaking. This really annoys me, as I am the second born and baby of the family. I think I had to be succinct growing up because if I wasn't my pint would never get across. Most of my friends are either the baby of the family or the middle child. I find them to be funnier and more fun in general. Plus, they usually don't nag as much as a first born would.
@kiddygurl (803)
• Singapore
30 Apr 07
Hmm... I didn't take any psychology classes that discussed about this topic.. However, the first time that I heard about my story happening in my best friend's family, I almost jumped out of my chair.. I am a second child, and I tend to feel left out at times because my older brother and my younger sister always 'team up', leaving me alone in the family.
When I encounter another friend who was a middle child of 3, I found the same thing.. From that, I looked it up online and found these articles about it.. It is just so interesting to me.. I thought that it was just me who felt that way...I have always thought that it was just my family.. It is just interesting to find out that a lot of people out there feel the same way...and to be even more scary, sometimes they feel the exact same way...
This link right here just makes me nod every time I read about what it has to say about a middle child of three... LOL..
http://www.childdevelopmentinfo.com/development/birth_order.htm
Thank you so much for responding, prestocaro! =) You have made the discussion so much more interesting. =)
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@navtech (1773)
• India
30 Apr 07
Hi, Kiddygurl, "Birth Order" is not yard-stick to justify the individual's style of life, DEALING WITH FRIENDSHIP, LOVE AND WORK. There are many factors involved that is while the child grow up in an environment and the way he/she has been educated. There is one more very important factor is "GENETICS". I have seen that my nephew used to behave like his grand-father. 10 years before my nephew birth, his grand father expired. 90% behaviour, life style, the way he talks to people were like his grand father. His grand father WAS good singer. At the age of 3 years MY NEPHEW got a prize for singing in a local function. Therefore "Birth order" is not root for individual's style of life, dealing with friendship, love and work.
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@kiddygurl (803)
• Singapore
28 May 07
We are discussing about personalities, though, not passed-on talents.. I do agree that environment does affect child's behaviors, and Adler did not fail to mention that in his thesis... Indeed, environment, level of education and social economic of the family do participate in forming a child; however, there is a 'template' in similarities of how children with the same birth order tend to behave.. For example, the middle children tend to feel insecure because they are never under the spotlight in the family...there are always someone else that receives more attention... Firstborns tend to lead... And such a thing... We are definitely not talking about talents, like singing talents or anything like that...
Thanks for your thoughts, though... =)
@blackkatdreamer (1461)
• Canada
30 Apr 07
As a middle child in my biological family I know birth order affects... I was the middle child and I felt like a slave... wikipedia describes being the middle child as
Middleborn children have a diverse range of personalities. The habits of many middleborns are motivated by the fact that they have never been truly in the spotlight. The firstborn always seems to be achieving and pioneering ahead, while the younger sibling is secure in his or her niche as the entertainer of the family.
The middle or second born child or children often have the sense of not belonging. They fight to receive attention from parents and others because they feel many times they are being ignored or dubbed off as being the same as another sibling. Being in the middle a child can feel insecure. Sometimes a middle child feels out of place because they are not over achievers and like to go with the flow of things.
They are often believed to be natural mediators. They tend to have fewer pictures in the family photo album alone, compared to firstborns. They may avoid conflict.
They may develop good social skills and have an easier time growing up with an other-centered point of view. It has been suggested that middleborn children are more likely to be entrepreneurs. Karen E. Klein, a Los Angeles-based writer, suggested that a middleborn's innate skills in diplomacy plus their flexibility in ideas make them more successful in entrepreneurship.
They have an even-temper and a take it or leave it attitude. Alfred Adler (1964) believed that the middle child feels squeezed out of a position of privilege and significance. The child is internally compelled to find peace within the family and may have trouble finding a place or become a fighter of injustice.
This sounds like 4 years of my life growing up
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@kiddygurl (803)
• Singapore
28 May 07
Thanks for the quote! I, being a middle child myself, feel more or less the exact same way as what the writers in Wikipedia described.. =)
@nanayangel (7879)
• Philippines
22 May 07
Hi there! I think that it is kinda true and I can say it out of observation. From my family, on my father and mother's side, and my husband's family too. We used to joke about second borns being the most emotional ones. That's because we saw that with my father, my sister and my husband. The eldest ones are most likely to be bossy and dominant. I guess it does play a role in how our personalities develop because it starts with our roles at home.
@kiddygurl (803)
• Singapore
28 May 07
That is exactly how it is... I absolutely agree.. =) Thanks for your reply, nanayangel! =)
@alanjiang (22)
• China
29 Apr 07
i think each individual's personality is affected by many aspects,the first is birth order,it is very like her parents, then education will have mainly factors to decide his individuals ,nomatter parents or teachers.the enviroment around her also have great influnce to it.it is really hard to decide what makes one's individual being.
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@kiddygurl (803)
• Singapore
1 May 07
That's true... Alfred Adler didn't neglect these other factors, either... He just set a 'template' of each 'car'... The 'car' can be blue, red, etc.. The car can be bought by someone who really loves car and takes care of it wonderfully...it could be the other way around.. The car can be running in a highway in New York, but it can also be running in a farm in Wisconsin or a desert in Arizona... All of these factors form an individual... That's why everybody is unique.. =)
Thanks for your opinion, alanjiang! =)
@squaretile (3778)
• Singapore
22 May 07
yes i think it makes a difference.
the second children i know tend to believe that their parents love them least. i think it might not be true from the parents' intention level. however, in practice i might be true.
the first child always has the most photos. the most care when young, the most new clothes, the most toys. the last child always gets given into, the most pampering. the second child is told to set a good example for teh youngest. but gets bullied by the older one. so it's tough being the second.
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@kiddygurl (803)
• Singapore
30 May 07
Hahaha... LOL.... You got me on that one... Well, you were talking about the middle children, and then the first children, etc... I just thought that you must have been the middle child since it seemed like you know how the middle children feel... LOL...
Wow, how convenient is that to be the one and only child?!?! Are you the queen in the family, then? =)
@squaretile (3778)
• Singapore
30 May 07
muahahaha, wrong! I'm actually the one and only child. so that makes me oldest and youngest all rolled into one. how scary is that? hee.
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