Should Priests be allowed to get married?
By filmbuff
@filmbuff (2909)
United States
May 5, 2007 3:39am CST
What do you think, yes or now? Why or why don't you think they should be allowed to marry?
Some quick history: Catholic Priests used to be able to marry and have families and children. The church changed that a long time ago because of greed and abuse as the clergy were apt to try and make sure that their families led a very good life.
In this modern era though do you think it is time that the vow of celebacy should be removed? What do you think?
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@wolves69 (755)
• United States
5 May 07
The official reason the church didn't allow marriage of the clergy was to keep son's from inheriting their father's positions (much like nobility). Over the years, it reason changed to keep the clergy from being distracted from "Earthly" worries....
In any case, I think the time for Catholic celibacy is over. Some of the youth look at the Priests as being out of touch and not knowing much about life; thus, there are many who are Catholics in name only.
I'm a former Catholic, and have been stating this for many years.
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@filmbuff (2909)
• United States
6 May 07
Thanks so much for correcting me there wolves69, I knew that it had something to with money and power but the specifics slipped my mind. Thanks again for sharing your views and thoughts, much like you I think that should be probably be allowed to marry, but I'm still on fence a bit.
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@emeraldisle (13139)
• United States
5 May 07
I think Catholic Priests should be able to marry if they so choose. Most religious elders do so. It is only the Catholic church that denies it's elder's such rights. I've heard the arguments by the church saying that priests are to emulate Christ, that because he didn't marry the priests shouldn't. That it allows them to concentrate just on their community.
The problem is now a days far too many are considered out dated and out of touch for the community to really deal with them. Society as a general rule does not want to be told how to behave by celibate old men who have no clue about how the world really works. I'm not saying this is an accurate image but it is one that many have towards priests.
No I don't think it would have stopped those who abused children. You have that type anyways. Marriage does not stop pedophilia. However it might stop the ones who have a mistress on the side and that can be a scandle for the church.
@emeraldisle (13139)
• United States
6 May 07
You are quite welcome. I grew up Catholic and I never could understand why they couldn't marry. I cannot think of another religious sect that doesn't allow their elders to marry but I could be wrong.
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@vanities (11395)
• Davao, Philippines
6 May 07
The vow of celibacy should not be removed! but if the priests wishes to get married then he should get out on being a priest and live a normal life as a lay man not a priest, he have no rights to celebrate mass again and be out of priesthood, i thnk that would be fair enough..
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@vanities (11395)
• Davao, Philippines
9 May 07
well, entering a priesthood is no joke for me it is a solemn vow which includes celibacy..coz i believe on the saying that you cant serve two master in the same time..priesthood is different from a pastor..in priesthood, they are not allowed to get married but if they do like then they msut get out of it first before doing so..having a family of their own is so hard i guess, especially when it pertains to finances ,and it is very understable i guess..
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@filmbuff (2909)
• United States
10 May 07
I can see your point about "not being able to serve to masters." I'm also curious about your comment regarding finnances. Do you happen to know how much money Priests make, or how they supported by the church finnancially? I don't, that's why I'm asking. Thanks again for enlightening me vanities.
@urbandekay (18278)
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5 May 07
Yes, there is no scriptural reason for it and, contrary to popular opinion, some Roman Catholic priests are allowed to marry. The Roman Catholics Church in Lebanon allows its priests to marry I am informed.
all the best urban
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@jessemt35 (294)
• Qatar
7 May 07
Yes indeed but before you are to become a priest you must already be married but if you are already ordained as a priest you can no longer marry that is the rule regarding the Eastern Churches be it Catholic or Orthodox and if you are to be a bishop you must not be married to qualify.
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@jessemt35 (294)
• Qatar
7 May 07
Addendum re the Schism between the East and West is not about married priest the reason for the Schism is the role of the Pope as the Head of all Catholics in contrast with the Patriarch of Constantinople at that time.
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@jhuggi57 (19)
• United States
6 May 07
YES. I think priests should be able to get married, because, they are also human. If I'm not mistaken at one time Catholic priests could not married, not sure if it was change and I think that's why there were so many molestation within the Catholic Churches.
@BrianKomeini (276)
• Philippines
11 May 07
The rule was instituted because of a good purpose. Man is wasn't necessary always vulnerable to greed, but being a priest living on a meager living and raising a family at the same time may give sufficient reasons for the priest to do something in order to let his family survive.
It's a vow - something that comes with the responsibility of being a priest. It's like what they say when you are in the military - If you don't want to be bound by rules, then get out of the institution.
I don't think this vow should be removed. If a priest wants to have a family then he should get out of priesthood. He has to make a choice - being a servant of God is not just any common task - it is a vocation.
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@maildumpster (3815)
• United States
15 May 07
I don't know how priests are paid but other pastors have families and homes.
These other pastors are usually provided a home and an income. They are supported by their church. Usually these churches aren't that large. They do not have the Vatican's money to back them.
They survive. I have even known of pastors taking side jobs (like newspaper delivery) to help make ends meet.
The money comes from the tithe. That is one thing the bible says the tithe is for. The kicker is that the pastor and his/her family also tithe - so they are actually paying back part of thier income.
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@filmbuff (2909)
• United States
15 May 07
Thanks for sharing your view Brian. Most of the people posting have been for a change in the marriage and celebacy rule, so its refreshing to get another point of view from someone on the other side.
You bring up a good point about the finnances required to raise a family. Do you happen to know how much Priests make...I'm sure its not a yearly sum or anything, but rather how they are compensated what they can and cannot buy and spend on themselves? From most of what I've seen (which isn't first hand, mostly books and movies) they seem to live a pretty decent life with lots of discretionary funds. Do you know if this is true or not?
Thanks again for posting.
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@filmbuff (2909)
• United States
16 May 07
I know a lot of pastors and other clergy who are doing very well living from tithe money. Many of them have a better lifestyle than I do. Keep in mind that the tithe money is tax free-- to church at least, which is another topic altogether.
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@Marie2473 (8512)
• Sweden
5 May 07
I think that they should be able to get married just like anyone else . I think that them beeing married would make them more "human" as well. I am sur ethat things will change with time =)
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@maildumpster (3815)
• United States
8 May 07
I definitely think it would make them more in touch. I fully agree that they have no clue about such things and are counselling people? How?
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@vkbllm (474)
• India
6 May 07
Oh yes...why not? Priest should marry.
Well actually religon should get changed or updated from time to time. Its better for the future of the religon.
The celibacy of the catholic priests must be proclaimed for some true, genuine and noble reasons BUT 2000 years before. No time has changed. Need has changed. The challanges against religon also changed. Now religon cannot be stern and tough, It is out to be flexible or it will be uprooted a day. We often come across to the news and instances in which catholic Presists engaged in Child abuse and Gay relation ship. Thus these instances add to glory of catholics? Certainly not. But I'm afraid it will be increasing in future if priests are not allowed to marry soon!
@maildumpster (3815)
• United States
5 May 07
I strongly feel that priests should get married. The disciples were married. They were the 'first' priests.
I know they feel the vow of celibacy is a sign of great sacrifice and devotion to God. I don't know if we will see this rule changed in our lifetimes. I also doubt we will see women as anything but nuns.
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@gifana (4833)
• Portugal
6 May 07
I am not in favor of women priests in the Catholic Church. I feel that the work of the nuns is just as important, if not more so, and much more appropriate for women. I think that outside the family we tend to look for a father figure rather than a mother figure to lead us and advise us on spiritual questions and misgivings. +
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@maildumpster (3815)
• United States
6 May 07
Well if mother figures are so bad then we should do away with the veneration of Mary.
Women can be called to serve by God as well as men. There are women pastors in many denominations and they do just fine. There is no reason that they can't allow women to be priests they just choose not to.
You don't need to eliminate nuns to allow women priests.
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@filmbuff (2909)
• United States
6 May 07
Thanks so much for sharing your views maildumpster. I tend to think that they should be able to marry also, but the catholic church is notorious for taking a long time to decide on anything. I think it was pretty recent that they conceeded the point that the earth rotates around the sun and not the reverse. Are you in favor of women as priests also?
gifana, women could be priests and nuns. I'm mean either or not both for one person. I mean you could have women priests, and women nuns. Why should one preclude the other?
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@im_anna (717)
• Philippines
5 May 07
if i may be permitted, i will go to the opposite side for the discussions sake. If priests would be married and have children, they would always be torn between the needs of the family, the wife, the children & serving the church/community. Let's say here in our country the priests(but not all) have a big role in the community, letting people be aware of their faith, feeding the less privileged, being the psychologist/counseling, helping people with their problems, managing the other departments of the church, etc.. So if the priests have a family, they would first worry of their "family concerns" like children getting sick, wife needs, childrens needs, financial needs, school needs, personal needs, etc..
I hope others won't be offended in my statements but I have known a friend whose mother is a former nun. She doesn't have time for her son as she wanted to serve her community just like being a nun because there is a need for her to serve. The son turned out to be problematic & had a very troubled childhood and had negative manifestations in his adulthood. This example is also similar to a priest having a family but wouldn't let go of his vocation. As they say "You can't serve 2 masters, one would always suffer."
@gifana (4833)
• Portugal
6 May 07
You certainly have a valid point so please don't apologize. I only wish to point out one thing. Ministers and preachers, rabbis etc., in other religions marry and have families. They have their problems but they seem to be able to make time for both their families and their parishioners. Priesthood is a "job" just like any other. Men/women have time for both their job and their family. What is the difference? +
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@filmbuff (2909)
• United States
6 May 07
Thanks for takeing the opposite side of the discussino im_anna. You bring up a very interesting point about "serving two masters." For me the obvious counter is that so many other religions allow their clergy to marry, what is so different, or what do priests do so differently that should not be able to marry? Thanks again for shareing your comments.
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@kislaysinha2222 (169)
• India
5 May 07
i think priests should be allowed to get married . if they will not marry then how there generation will carry on and then we would not have any priests in the future . and other reason is that priests are also human , they are made by the same god and they have the same biological and natural function inside their body as other person have . then why should they not do this very natural thing .
@Wealthy2007 (25)
• United States
5 May 07
I think that they should be given the option to marry and have a family. I am not aware of anything in scripture that say that you have to be celibant to serve God. No one so many of them rape kids, and live in the closet
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@filmbuff (2909)
• United States
8 May 07
Thanks for shareing your opinion Wealthy2007, I think you're right about so many living in the closet. I've long held the notion that the only way for a good catholic who is gay to remain a good catholic is to enter the Priesthood and take a vow of celebacy.
@joice86 (1078)
• Philippines
5 May 07
Yes, i think priests should also be allowed to get married. There's nothing wrong in marrying someone. Yes, at this time already, the vow of celebacy should already be changed and that the priests be able to get married. I think this one is better than for those priests committing sins of having affairs. Because i have heard stories that the priests have affairs too. So, if the vow of celebacy will be changed, then it will do good for the priests.
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@gifana (4833)
• Portugal
6 May 07
Yes, definitely. I believe that it is imperative that priests marry. In that way they would be much better prepared to deal with their parish members basing their advice/council not only on their book learning but also from personal experiences. How is it possible for a priest to council young married couples and their problems which could lead to divorce? They don't know the happiness and brutality of marriage.
But I feel marriage is a "must" for priests to cut down pedophily and illegitemate children. They practice "marriage" out of sight and the Church many times looks the other way. There was a case here in Portugal a year or so ago when a priest made it public that he had a 7 year old daughter. It seems that right after she was born he informed the Archbishop who immediately transferred him to another parish and told me to keep it quiet or he would be excommunicated. He went along with the decision only because he was dedicated to his service to the community and his religion. However, it got the better of him and he couldn't keep it quiet any longer as he wanted to be near his daughter. I can't remember what the final result was but I think that he left the church and married the mother. The parishioners did what they could to get the Church to change their decision but it refused. Portugal is a Catholic country loaded with old priests. The young men are not as dedicated nor are their mothers so insistent to have one priest in the family. I know of one young priest up north who had a way with the people in the small community. I was stunned when I heard that he had left the Church to take a job in a bank. I feel that if the Vatican wants to keep their Church going they should start a recruiting campaign using the choice of marrying should they want to do so. There is absolutely no harm in this. The Church seems to forget that all the disciples were married. Good discussion. +
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
6 May 07
I think they should have the option to marry. It shouldn't be manatory that all priests get married. Maybe it should depend on which parrish you are in. some parrishs could be open to married clergy and others for non- married clergy. That way if a congregation can live with a married priest they will have one. But if they can't they can have a non-married one.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
8 May 07
I am an outsider too but it seemed like a good compromise.
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@filmbuff (2909)
• United States
8 May 07
I like the concept sarah, it is a very unique and original one. Who would decide which parrish's would allow for married or non-married priests? I don't suspect that the church itself would want the actual congregation memebers deciding anything for themselves, at least that is my impression from the outside looking in...
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@cliff19id (306)
• Indonesia
5 May 07
NO sin with married, so i think that no reason for not allowed priest to get married. priest can near with God even they married. it's all depend to our desire. if you can live single, it's much better to priest lived like that, but if the priest can't be like that,i think that much better to us not force the priest to still single.
@simbrialuis (387)
• Philippines
11 May 07
Well, its the tradition of Catholic...its their Belief....
If they do that...and wanted to get married...then get out of the catholic church then be reverend of Prostestant.
Maybe catholic should stand on their oath to celibacy, chastity...if they cannot stand it which is understandable then why break the rules when you could still get away with it...This is just more of Catholic issues. If only Catholics will keep their vow than these issues is no longer a problem.
@filmbuff (2909)
• United States
11 May 07
Thanks for posting simbrialuis, but from what the general public opinion of catholics seems to think be against the vow of celebacy themselves. You're right though, that if they followed the vow there wouldn't be these problems. They are however men, and imperfect so they have afairs and do other nasty things. Times change, do you think the church should change with them?
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@filmbuff (2909)
• United States
12 May 07
You make some very good points but something I want to point is that the church (any church) is fallable. It is not perfect, and can never be so because it is run by man. I think one of the biggest problems facing the catholic church is that it refused to change it's beliefs when it knows they are wrong. Case in point, it was in the last year or two that the Catholic church officially changed it's stance on the Earth being the center of the universe, and apologized for persecuting Gallieo 600 some odd years ago. The point here is that until about a year ago, the Catholic church officially believed that the Sun rotated around the Earth and was the center of the Universe. Everyone has known that this false, but the church refused to change its position and admit it was wrong.
The above is case among many others like it, it is arrogant and more damaging to the church to cling to a false belief rather than admit it was wrong. Wouldn't you agree?
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@simbrialuis (387)
• Philippines
15 May 07
I agree that any churches can never be perfect for it is run by man. But catholics also believes that the "voix populi, voix dei" (i hope i spelled it right). The voice of people is the voice of God. Should the voices of catholic people would unite to take the oath to celibacy out of the catholic churches then there is no excuse to have them out. I agree that most of the people, specially the traditionals, are afraid of changes...it is nothing but given...changes can be equated to reform...and reform may result to another division of church. I remember how martin luther lead the refomation of the catholic church and so "Protestantism" is born.
Do you think this move wont break the catholic church to have another religion? Do you think they would allow this breakage? And Do you think they would allow the collections ( money ) be affected by the breakage? It will boil down again to the polictics inside churches...common lets admit it, changes in the rules will bring so much discussions amongst leaders and politiking will intervene.
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@jessemt35 (294)
• Qatar
6 May 07
I am not against the proposition that priest be allowed to marry, indeed they may do so. The only problem is when they get married and have children who will shoulder the burden of getting the children of the pastor to school or how would the pastor earn his living of course he will be forced to find a decent job aside from being priest and these is the side I am most worried should the parishioners help the priest by providing him and his family with enough earnings to shoulder family spending or should he be forced to find a decent job aside from being a priest. Because for all you know a priest earning is just a stipend from what the parishioners share. so how's that to be resolve. The fact is he is now divided between his two vocation being a priest and a family man.
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@filmbuff (2909)
• United States
8 May 07
You bring up some good points jessemt35. The catholic church though is very wealthy. I could be wrong here, but it is my understanding that the priest even with their vow of poverty lead a pretty good life because the church provides just about anything they need or want. Again I could be wrong here, but that is the notion that I have in my head; to be honest, I'm not sure where exactly it came from.
As far as looking after the kids, I can't imagine that priests spend all their time working but again I could be wrong here too. I would assume with the Churches policies on marrige and divorce that the children in most cases would have a mother to look after them.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply, you've raised some great questions.
@jessemt35 (294)
• Qatar
9 May 07
Hi filmbuff! In the Catholic Church before ordination priest to be are given the chance to go out to the world and immerse himself to the life of the community until their ordination on that span of exposure to all allures and glitters of the world they are given the chance to move on with being a priest or to marry. During ordination in the first they make a vow to become celibate and to serve only Christ and His Church and they are aware of that. They are now married to the whole community the problem now arises when they stumble because they are humans too and in order to justify that they try to make an avenue whereby their vocation would be safe plus a wife and family. But on the first place they have made a vow to be celibate and they are given the chance to pursue the priesthood or to go out and marry. They can not serve both of this. But in the Eastern Catholic Rite there are married priest but they are already married before they decided to become a priest and if they become a priest before married then they are no longer allowed to have a wife. God bless.
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