Public punishment on misbehaving teen
By Swtrose
@Swtrose (3385)
Canada
May 9, 2007 2:59pm CST
Most of you have likely heard the 2005 story regarding an Oklahoma City mom who got tired of her 14-year-old daughter's poor grades, chronic school tardiness, and classroom back-talk. She had her hold a sign that read "I don't do my homework and I act up in school, so my parents are preparing me for my future. Will work for food." I applaud the girl's mom.
Do you believe in public punishment for teens who misbehave?
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31 responses
@cher913 (25782)
• Canada
9 May 07
YES!! As the owner of one and with one on the way, i find that my daughter and a good number of her friends have such an attitued. while i know that it is the teenage years, hormones etc...there is NO excuse for such behaviour! My daughter thinks its all about her...will it be all about her when she has to work for a living? of course not and the sooner that they learn this, the better!
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@youdontsay (3497)
• United States
10 May 07
I don't believe in using humiliation to punish teens. Have them do public service, tutor a younger kid, get a job. That would teach them useful lessons. Teens have enough problems with image as it is. Save the humiliation for adults who act like teens by breaking the laws.
@youdontsay (3497)
• United States
10 May 07
Perhaps not. But it will help them to learn responsibility, which is sometimes more important than what they learn in class. If they have to work hard at a job, they just might prefer to be in class.
Depending on the age of the teen, it might not hurt them to take a year out of school to get their priorities sorted out. I'd rather a child learn life lessons from making their own decisions. I know it is tough when a child decides to quit school and you so want them to finish. One of my granddaughters did that. And two years later she was mature enough to make the decision to go back to school to get her GED.
Parenting is tough, not a job for sissies, that's for sure!
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@TriciaW (2441)
• United States
9 May 07
Wow I actually hadn't heard that one but I bet they made their point. Sometimes it takes things like that to get their attention. Not sure I could ever go that far though. My daughter thinks public punishment is when I hold her hand at the mall!! Not sure how she would respond to this. I might have to tell her about it tonight*L*
@mememama (3076)
• United States
10 May 07
I don't believe in having a child being humiliated, regardless if they are a teen or not. My friend snuck out one night to go to a high school dance. The next morning her dad made flyers that said "I am a terrible daughter and a runaway, look out for me" and she had to go door to door in every neighborhood and hand them out. She acted up even more after that and became promiscious. Didn't work, just made her relationship with her father even more strained. I really messed up in highschool, I wasn't allowed to drive and I was grounded for 6 months. That kept my butt in check and my parents never had problems with me after that.
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@eden32 (3973)
• United States
9 May 07
I don't recall hearing that story before now. But I disagree with the mother's (parent's?) tactics. I feel as parents are job is to guide & teach our children. Punishments, when needed, should be fair, just & reasonable. Humilating your child is none of those things. In the "real world" the child's actions would cost her promotions & eventually lead to her termination at work. It'd be more appropriate for the child to serve detention, be grounded at home and if that didn't wake her up, perhaps she should be held back in school.
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@eden32 (3973)
• United States
9 May 07
My eldest is an adult with a child of his own. Yes, I absolutely think that staying back a year in high school- just the threat of staying back in high school, should make a huge impact on a kid. Most kids start thinking about the frills of high school as soon as they start freshman year- proms, senior trips, graduation parties etc. Being a year behind your friends throws a wrench in those plans.
Being humilated this way is not a consequence one would face as an adult. Your boss wouldn't have you stand in front of their business with a sign saying "I lost a major client because I was late to work".
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@Swtrose (3385)
• Canada
9 May 07
We are talking about high school age children here and I don't know about in the US, but here in Canada if you skip school too many times you are picked up by a truant officer. Furthermore, in high school you only have to repeat that one subject not the entire grade.
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@4cuteboys (4099)
• United States
10 May 07
Yes! I think that's great and I would do it too! I think the mom was brave (because we know how people like to criticize!) for standing her ground and having the girl do that. I think it's a great way to try and help them see the error of their impulsive actions!
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@emeraldisle (13139)
• United States
10 May 07
I had heard about this and I thought it was great. Her daughter was a real handful. This wasn't just minor teenage attitude but big time problems. I thought it was an ingenious way to make her realize the road she was traveling. Hopefully it helped her to get back on track and begin to accept the fact that she can't do anything she wants without consequences.
@badpenny (741)
• Lancaster, Texas
10 May 07
I had not heard of this, but I wish I had thought of this when my son was ditching school and sneaking out to run the streets at night.
I had heard of a judge that sentenced teens that were convicted of things like drunk driving, street acing and similar offenses to work at the morgue or the ER for a month.
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@uath13 (8192)
• United States
10 May 07
Not to far off from some of my own punishments. When my daughter dosen't want to study or acts up then I tell her " Well then lets get some practice for your future job , lets see, how about laundrymat worker. Go do all the laundry." There's also the burger flipper, the janitor ( heaven knows the bathrooms could use a good scrubbing ), the farm hand ( who needs a plow when you have a kid and a hoe? ). It usually gets the point across.
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@recycledgoth (9894)
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10 May 07
I can only applaud this Mum's actions, if it makes her girl wake up then's it's a good thing.
Grey hair is heredetary, you get it from your kids :-) Mine is 21 and still gives me grey hairs
@xfallenxlostx (2074)
• United States
10 May 07
No, i did not hear about this story! That is actually pretty funny. Cheers to her mother. i think if kids are acting up to an extreme, this is a good punnishment. It's not physically punnishing your child, which i am against. It i symbolic, which i love. i am very much into symbolism.
@DesigningLife (903)
• United States
10 May 07
No, I had never heard this story. My first thought was, how did Mom "get" the teen to actually follow through and do this without some physical struggle? An extremely defiant teen will not "do" anything they don't want to without being threatened or forced in some way.
Anyway, I think I would choose a different route, beginning with looking at the causes for the misbehavior. From that point, there are a myriad of creative options one could choose depending on the circumstances and resources at hand.
I do think that kids are being given the message - through the changes in society, family structures, and the actual lessons from schools telling them they can call the police on their parents if they spank them, that they are untouchable: free to roam and do as they please in spite of what anyone else expects. That they are able to step on anyone's toes and with total disregard for respect and morality.
I also think that raising kids is very similar to training puppies...by this I mean that people in their hurried and difficult lives generally look at the behavior and try to end it, without looking at the causes first.
People tend to yell at the dog that is barking, rather than figuring out what he is barking at and why, or what changes they need in their environment to curb the unwanted behavior.
The concept of public humiliation can be (I think) more effective in the sense that teens will know their misdeeds will be shared with a network of family members and friends who will be ashamed of their behavior. Sometimes disappointing a cherished loved one is more painful than punishment by parents.
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@tinamwhite (3252)
• United States
10 May 07
I find this public humiliation ridiculous...I would never subject my child to such "questionable discipline"....
I am sorry to disagree with you, but the psychological damage that this humiliation could cause this child permeanent damage....not to mention what it did for her "self-esteem"......while I do agree with the behaviors that this young girl was displaying, I feel that there were many other choices available to the parents...
No, I do not agree with public punishment for teens or anyone else for that matter....we supposedly live in a civilized country where "public hangings and whippings in the streets" are a thing of the past.....I say, let's keep it that way!!!!!
@tinamwhite (3252)
• United States
10 May 07
I, too, would be very interested in what happened to the young girl from the original story...while this discussion has brought out alot of opinions...many differing from mine...which I totally respect.....I can not help but wonder what has happened to this girl...I do not see any information that leads me to believe that this was a beneficial ordeal for her to have expereinced....she is a young adult by now....wonder what SHE feels the long-term affects have been to this ridiculous public humiliation????
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@tinamwhite (3252)
• United States
10 May 07
OK, before I get bashed here...the girl is only 16 or 17 now...that is what I meant by young adult....do not want any misunderstandings.
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@coachflaps (683)
• United States
10 May 07
I think that it's completely acceptable for public punishment such as that if all other means have failed. They have to learn somehow and if it has to come down to that then do it. I'm sure it wouldn't work with all kids but at least if some of them learned from that form of punishment then it's a good thing.
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@cloud_kicker_32 (4635)
• United States
20 May 07
I think that is such a great idea!!I know that sure would have worked for me when i was one of those rebels without a clue lol..if Sky ever starts with me when hes a teen i wil try that! because lets face it..between me and his donor...he doesnt have a chance lol lol..anywho..i thought another punishemnt..i wil make him pick up garbage on roads,and mow and do what ever older folks need some extra help with.nice hard labor..so he has lots of time to think of what he did and wheres hes going if he doesnt stop..
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@deebomb (15304)
• United States
10 May 07
I think that most every parent loves their kids and want what is best for them. They want them to grow up to be law abiding productive adults. I believe that most of us work toward that end. Nothing tell us how to accomplish this, If we use corporeal punishment when we think necessary we are threatened with jail, so we do the best that we can When a teenager gets attitudes and they can be stubborn we need to sometimes get creative with disciplining them. Yes if I had thought of it I would have made my daughter or son stand out there. Sometimes there are teens that just have the idea that parents are there to supply their special needs. Cell Phone, Car, spending money ect. Teenager can be the most loving and fun critter there is but in less than the blink of an eye you can have this monster standing before you. I raised 6 of them
@shannon76 (1232)
• United States
10 May 07
I have mixed emotion about this. On one hand I think the mom had every right to do that and I am sure that it taught her daughter a lesson. But on the other hand, at what cost? Think about it, when you were a teenager, what was the worst thing that heppened to you in school or what was the worst thing you could think could happen to you in school? Being humliated in front of others. So I don't know. I was always disciplined by my parents away from others. When I acted up, they spanked me, but they either took it outside or in the bathroom if we were out and about. But who am I to critisize. She is only doing what she thinks is best for her child. =)
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@huggiebear22 (2007)
• Canada
10 May 07
I agree with it i also belive that if s child under the age of majority shoudl be put to work picking garbage adn cleaning up the highways an city streets to learn what real work is like maybe they will pay attension in school adn learn mroe .
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@CoffeeAnyone (3210)
• Canada
10 May 07
So sad the mother felt the punishment had to come to that level. Certainly the mother could of done something before this to not let it get to such a devasting level. Actually I am totally shocked the girl would even do this for her mother. I would never ever have. I would of ran away or taken the beating of a life time for not doing it. One or the other. I say good for the girl! I am sure she learnt from it.
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@dragonokiefly (862)
• United States
10 May 07
I think the mother was at the end of her rope. Most likely she had tried several different ways to turn her daughter around and was just totally fed up, I can't say I blame her.
I see mixed responses here, some are for it and other's aren't. Time-outs and groundings don't always work, especially with an out-of-control teenager. Been there and done that, it didn't work for me. So now we are left with the question, what else can we do? Well the government says you can not legally spank your child anymore because it is considered child abuse, time-outs nad groundings aren't working, friends have no advice, what do you do? I think this mother did what she needed to do get help her daughter get back on track and lead a productive life. I suppose she could have looked the other way and hoped for the best but what is that teaching? Besides here in Oklahoma, if your child skips school the parents are held responsible and can actually do jail time for their teen not attending classes. Now how is that fair?
So did this mother go to far?, NO WAY! I wished I had thought of it.
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@dragonokiefly (862)
• United States
11 May 07
Did you know that even if a report is unfounded it is still on your "record"? With anything on your "record" with child welfare, you are watched, you can not be a foster parent, you can not open a daycare, there are a lot of things you can not do that involves children. I know this because my daughter pulled the same crap in her middle teen years when she was upset with me because I grounded her and would not let her to go a school dance with her friends. I had planned to be a foster parent but now I can't. So yes it is a big deal to some people.
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@dragonokiefly (862)
• United States
10 May 07
Even though it is technically still legal to spank your children, even if you do not leave a mark on your child, if the child tells someone, let's say a teacher or such, DHS/DCFS or whatever you want to call the child welfare people, are called and you are investigated.
It doesn't matter if you child is lying, trumping up the spanking or whatever, you are still investigated. No parent wants to go through it so spanking has become a thing of the past.
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