Cultural differences: How Islamic countries are different
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
United States
May 10, 2007 8:14am CST
In Pakistan there is currently a law being considered that would make apostacy (leaving the faith) in Islam a capital crime for men and punishable by life in prison for women. People convicted of this crime would also lose property rights and rights to their own children.
To be fair, I do not think this law will pass and become the law in Pakistan. I bring it up as an example of how the west and Islam are so much different.
Most people in the USA can not even imagine the death penalty for something like changing one's religion. This proposed law in Pakistan shows that we still have a long way to go in understanding each other.
This url has more information concerning this story.
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=9218&size=A
So, what do you think of this idea? Death to those who would convert from Islam?
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@nonew3 (1941)
• United States
10 May 07
I frankly really detest that idea, but I have heard of this before in Islamic countries. Stuff like this makes me glad that I live in the US and not somewhere else!
I thought it was already the law there, or was I thinking about another country?
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@nonew3 (1941)
• United States
19 May 07
What I do not understand, then, is why some Muslims execute others for leaving Islam. At least, I hear and read about this from time to time. Is it a misinterpretation, or are they reading into the Quran what is not there? Sorry, but I am relatively new to Islam and the Quran, and am showing my ignorance. Forgive me. I truly have a lot to learn.
@nonew3 (1941)
• United States
20 May 07
Wow! I don't know much about freemasonry either, but I do know a tiny little smidgen about that, and I do mean tiny little smidgen.
I had no idea that those folks in Pakistan are involved in that. This is the first I have heard about that.
So, has freemasonry been behind some Muslims killing apostates as well as folks like al-Qaida (spelling?) doing terrorist attacks on innocent civilians?
Since this is all so new to me, I am trying to piece it all together.
Could freemasonry also be behind whoever wrote the viruses that completely wiped out my hard drive? I am sure that he or she (or they) wanted to take out a huge corporation. Instead, they caused a lot of problems to a low-income person with hearing, speech, and other disabilities who is just trying to lead a more normal life.
By the way, I am a Christian and am not right now considering converting to Islam, but I am trying to understand it, and to have more respect, love, and tolerance toward my fellow Muslims. I do care about them as people, and some of them as fellow Americans who I see in the stores, restaurants, and even on public transportation. In that way I am opening up to Islam.
I believe that it is ignorance that leads to prejudice, hatred, and discrimination. I have heard some rather hateful, prejudice, and discriminatory remarks, and so many times it has come from people not getting all their facts straight.
And, so I am here, trying to get all my facts straight, because I want to show love, respect, and admiration, not intolerance, prejudice, and hatred.
@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
18 May 07
I have to say there in is the main problem with Islam in the middle east, there is no seperation in church and state. Its more than a religion its politics. Not that all churches dont have politics but not all churches control the countries they are in. But what do we do about it if a people wont stand up for themselves should we fight for them? No country has ever been truely liberated by another country in my opinion its something that the people have to stand up for themselves. of course you might say well they are dependant upon the system in place but that brings to mind another quote: those who sacrafice liberty for security deserve neither.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
18 May 07
One good quote deserves another!
Every nation on earth has exactly the government its people deserve. - Will Rogers
The problem with the Israeli-Arab wars is that each side thinks God is telling them they are right. - Letter to the editor of Time magazine.
The author of the second quote went on to reason that no one can argue or reason with anyone who thinks God has given him the truth concerning the issue being discussed.
This has a lot to do with why religious fundamentalists so desire theocracy while being so holier than thou about it. It is also why they should not be allowed to be in charge of a country or ever have nuclear weapons.
It is hard to imagine a country run by people who think the mere disagreement of their political opponents with the state's policy proves those political opponents stand against God and therefore are evil. This totally short circuts the process of sorting through ideas and courses of action to arrive at what makes the most sense. Such a country is dysfunctional.
More and more Muslims are starting to realize this. As gnosis said earlier, there is hope.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
20 May 07
The muslim objectives are so outrageous that people like us who talk about it look like kooks. Still, make no doubt about it. The fundamentalists muslims absolutely believe they have a duty to convert the world to Islam, by force if necessary.
Thanks, for the JFK quote. You know, of course, if he was alive to today he would be disowned by the democratic party just like was Joe Liberman.
@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
24 May 07
Theres a big difference between helping and fighting someones battle for them. Especially when they arent willing to stand up for themselves even after we are in the middle of the fight.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
11 May 07
At this time it is only a proposed law, so maybe it will not pass.
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@destroyer (784)
• Pakistan
28 May 07
The law in question was proposed by hard line fanatics and will never get passed!
In Islam there is no such thing as compulsion! if a person is to embrace Islam, it should be on his own accord, under no compulsion or force! the same goes for apostasy! Like someone mentioned already in this discussion that there's no verse regarding it in the Holy Quran!
I hope this answers the question the Mr. Poster has asked in the end of his discussion!
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
28 May 07
You truely sound as if you know what you are talking about. I very much like hearing the opinion of those who know what they are talking about. That being the case, thank you especially much for the informative response.
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@destroyer (784)
• Pakistan
29 May 07
Thank you very much for your kind response.
I know about the said bill and the circumstances that surround it because i am a citizen of Islamic Republic of Pakistan and the bill in question was proposed from my city by hard line clerics (read fanatics inspired by the Taliban regime).
Thank Almighty that we have a sensible and a moderate Muslim President who didnt consider the bill at all! You wouldnt believe the outrageous demands these so called flag bearers of truth come up with! for example they wanted a ban on all cable channels, wanted to ban women from going to the market alone and other such nonsense!
As for me i cant imagine living without HBO, or MTV :)
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
19 May 07
After reading through the fine responses to this, the only thing I have to add is that there are a lot of people that are very lucky the US never adopted that attitude and passed a law similar to this one.
Hopefully the people of Pakistan have the good sense to prevent that from passing.
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