Do you have any famous, or infamous ancestors?
By Woodpigeon
@Woodpigeon (3710)
Ireland
May 15, 2007 6:06am CST
It seems like most of us have a skeleton or two in our closet. Do you have any hidden a few generations back?
Or do you have an ancestor or two that you want to brag about?
Or do you not care for that sort of thing and prefer to worry about the here and now?
I like history, and I am also interested in the part my family has played in it. One lad, the Archbishop Adam Loftus, was also at one time the Lord Chancellor of Ireland, appointed by Queen Elizabeth I. I can still pop in and visit our ancestral home, Rathfarnham Castle, as the whim strikes.
I also have a couple of rogues in the family tree, by way of some French ancestry. Martin Chartier, born in 1655 was a French explorer who eventually died in 1718 in Pennsylvania. He married an Indian woman, lived with the Shawnee, and got up to all sorts of adventure and mischief! Another French ancestor was supposedly a gentleman farmer, but in reality his true love was his side busienss of a Saloon and Billiards establishment!
What about you, have you any family tales to share?
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19 responses
@PsychoDude (2013)
• Netherlands
15 May 07
I don't really care, asides from that quite hard to track back. But asides from that many people on this planet are decedents from people with blue blood as those tended to have a lot of kids all over the place :P.
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@Woodpigeon (3710)
• Ireland
15 May 07
No kidding. There were some kings that produced quite a few byblows. What is that old phrase, 'born on th wrong side of the blanket'?
I always find the rogues the most interesting!
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@66jerseygirl (3877)
• United States
16 May 07
I have no idea what family skeletons I may have.Ya got me thinking now,lol. I do occasionally think about my past relatives and what kind of people they were .I love history and am always curous about things like that
@Angelwhispers (8978)
• United States
15 May 07
Howdy Pigeon, as far as my family tree, we were all poor immogrants from Germany(my fathers family) and dutch (on my mothers side). Once here in the states they were pretty much poor share croppers in the south, so nothing real impressive there. But now my step father was a cousin to Naomi Judd. There is a big Judd reunion here every other year. Of course the famous duo never shows. But they are talked about here, and the family makes sure that everyone knows they are related.
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@Angelwhispers (8978)
• United States
15 May 07
Yes Pigeon it was cotton. Eventually after my mother and father married, he moved her out and away from the south and the cotton fields. Funny how life comes full circle because there is no other place I want to live than right here in Tennessee.
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@Woodpigeon (3710)
• Ireland
15 May 07
I remember reading you discussion about sharecroppers but never getting around to responding to it. I am going to have to go back and have another read. Is that cotton?
@maildumpster (3815)
• United States
15 May 07
I can't say that I do. I have been told by my mom that my uncle was wanted by the mob. Don't know if it was true.
My mom also told me that my grandfather was part of the mob in Italy. I don't think that is true.
Can I come see the castle with you? Please.....
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@maildumpster (3815)
• United States
17 May 07
Spendid. If I ever make it out your way I am going to see the castle.
My daughter was lucky enough to get to go to Edinburgh and Rothesy castles.
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@Woodpigeon (3710)
• Ireland
16 May 07
It isn't quite the same as seeing it in person, but here we are on the front steps of the castle.
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@Woodpigeon (3710)
• Ireland
16 May 07
And here is a much better shot, with the house lit up at night. Impressive, no? It is undergoing restoration and they are being very true to the original house, when Adam and Dudley lived there so it is fascinating to see it unfold.
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@maribea (2366)
• Italy
16 May 07
well I don't have such famous ancestors as you but I was told that my grandfather was the illegitimate son of an earl...he was abandoned by his father and then by his mother too and he was raised in orphanage where either knowing his noble origin or not they gave him an important name, Amerigo, that is the name of the Italian explorer under whose name America is named!!! Eventually, he was at least recognised by his father the right to own the family name..therefore he had got the name of the noble family but could never see the family house or ask for a part of the family wealth. so he became a soldier and then a countryman and then then..there was my father who was raised in country and with little money and became a self-made man. I am told that our ancestors were in charge of great amount of lands in the region where we lived and I was once shown the coat of arms of my grandfather's family..two balls and a lion..wow..
@maribea (2366)
• Italy
16 May 07
well he was only partially recognised..he got his name but not his fortune and he could not have any contact with the other members of the family...I know where the family had his main estate but I have never had any contact with them and I don't know if they are still alive..
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@Woodpigeon (3710)
• Ireland
16 May 07
That is an amazing tale. I justread a book, called Medici, that had a similar theme. I love those stories about family fortune and hidden aristocracies. To have that in your own family is so cool. I see he was shut out, but have you been able to visit your ancestral lands? It seems such a shame to be cut off from your family after he has been recognised.
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@killahclaire (3665)
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16 May 07
Well as you know I am kind of a Loftus. Well I have taken your name onnly cos it is so wonderful of course.
But my family the biggest claim to fame is this.
You know Lulu...she's scottish, singer, red hair, sang that song Shout!
You know make shout, put my hand ot it,
shout, put my hands on it,
shout, put my hands on it,
waheyayayay.....
Well teh guy that played the tambourine in the video is my Grannys second cousin!
That's it!
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@killahclaire (3665)
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16 May 07
No its not Lulu that is realted to me...it is the guy that played the tambourine in the video to shout!
I have few "admirers" following me aorund too giving me + apparently. I think maybe this is why I am not changing. Since t he start of all this I have only went form 85/100 to 86/100.
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@Woodpigeon (3710)
• Ireland
17 May 07
It really is a bit ridiculous, isn't it? What did you DO for god's sake?!
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
15 May 07
There aren't any ancestors that I know of that are famous. Or infamous even. There are a few with interesting stories attached to them though.
My Blackfoot great-grandfather used to tell me stories of why he lived in Kentucky even though his tribe was generally not from that area. Apparently a couple of generations before him there was a whole group who moved, thanks to a young warrior chasing after a white woman that he loved, whose family had forced her to move. It's kind of a neat story.
In my Irish ancestry, there are a lot of revolutionaries. None who are really famous, though. My great-grandmother used to tell me that was part of the reason they moved to America, too many of the family's men got themselves killed over ideals.
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@Woodpigeon (3710)
• Ireland
15 May 07
Men and their running off, isn't it just the way!
My friend was telling me about an ancestor of hers that got in a bit of trouble during the Civil War, and had to take the boat for Canada to get out of trouble. Turns out he misheard (or was a bit tipsy) and instead of boarding a ship for Canada, boarded a ship for Drogheda (pronounced Draw-heda) and that is how her family came to be Norman Catholics...from Drogheda!
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@AmbiePam (93920)
• United States
19 May 07
I don't know how many "greats" this goes back, but my great great great (and so on) grandpa was Black Jack Ketchum. You probably have never heard of him. But he was an infamous bank robber that often joined forces with Jesse James. I'm not ashamed by it, it just shows you don't have to follow in anyone's footsteps - we create our own path.
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@Modestah (11179)
• United States
15 May 07
nothing too terribly exciting from me. if you go to Boston you may notice a cricket painted on such things as garbage cans. It has something to do with a famed Cricket Weathervane. It was an ancestor of mine that created that first cricket weathervane.
I am also of relation with Laura Ingalls Wilder family.
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@Woodpigeon (3710)
• Ireland
16 May 07
I am also descended from the English Dormer family, the folks that invented that type of windows. We don't have any installed. Do you have a family style weathervane?
Ooh, LIW! I read all of those books when I was a child, and of course watched the show. How neat!
@KarenO52 (2950)
• United States
16 May 07
My ancestors from my dad's side came from Ireland. My cousin just sent me some information on the history of our ancestral name. Ours can be traced back to the 10th century. From the dynastic family of Gaileanga/Luigne in Connacht, two surnames emerged; Gadhra (O'Gara) and Eaghra (O'Hara)with a common ancestor being Saorgus, a member of the Luigne dynastic family in the 9th century. There is a long history of fighting for control, of territories, with much blood being shed even within the family, and brothers killing brothers. The ruins of a castle once belonging to the family can still be seen, and my cousins took pictures there when they visited Ireland. It all seems so unreal to me, but I would love to see it in person someday. It's in county Sligo. Here's a link to a site for the ruins:www.moygaracastle.com/ It's hard to believe my ancestors used to fight so much. Everyone I know from my dad's side of the family was a lot of fun, and loved to be around other people.
@Woodpigeon (3710)
• Ireland
16 May 07
Don't feel bad, everyone's ancestors fought amongst themselves until the Normand and the Vikings turned up, and even though they should have banded together to fight them, which they did to a degree, they still liked fighting among themselves.
I wonder if you're related to our Ronan O'Gara, he is a very good rugby player.
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@eyewitness (1575)
• Netherlands
16 May 07
I have some family living in Asia and they have checked ancestors and it seemed that our families history goes back to greece better said to Alexander the Great.It's pretty awesome.I don't know if it's true but they really checked and it could be true because Alexander married also Asian girls.Well i guess people know about Alexander the great because boy he made some history.
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@Woodpigeon (3710)
• Ireland
16 May 07
Fascinating! There is a relative to shout from the rooftops about! He is one of my favourite generals.
@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
16 May 07
I was told that betsy ross was related but who knows if thats true or not. Could be a different Betsy Ross too and not the famous one.
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@kamalila (193)
• United States
15 May 07
Well, on my dad's side, King Kamehameha, of Hawaii is related to me.
A while back my Auntie showed me the family tree that she had carefully tracked. I saw his name and commented, "I'm related to Kamehameha?" the answer was "no, he's related to you." I'm still unsure what the difference is, but this is what she told me. It seems that for Kamehameha to reach the status he did on the Island of Hawaii (have to make that distinction, as the US State of Hawaii includes an island of the same name - we just call it the Big Island), he had to have blood-relations with all five of the big ruling families of the island. Mine was one of them. Auntie was unable to trace the lineage more closely, as we are of a branch that moved with Kamehameha away from the Big Island. The family that are still on the Big Island refuse to share. It seems they are afraid we would try to claim rights to some of their lands.
On my mom's side, President/General Grant is one of my ancestors. My mom's from Mississippi, so the family is not very proud of that distinction. He was an effective General, but not a good President. Some of the horrible things that were done to the Native Americans were done during his time as President. Another thing my family isn't very happy about.
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@Woodpigeon (3710)
• Ireland
16 May 07
The Hawaiian ancestry is fabulous. I was friends with one of the descendents of King Kamehameha's oarsmen and apparently that was a great honour. I think it might have been akin to an honour guard. You must be very proud.
As far as Grant, we all have our skeletons, don't we? Apparently I am also realted to a Governor William Ross (CA), and he was also the founder and warden at one time of San Quentin Prison. I have avoided finding out too much about his time there.
@sapphirencotton (69)
• United States
15 May 07
My cousin traced our family back one time(on my mother's side) and found that we are descendants of some royalty in Scotland. He also was in line to inherit a castle, but the back taxes were so much he couldn't afford to take it over. That would have been so cool! I have never traced it back, but I'm French, German, Irish, Scottish and English. My brother is trying to trace back my dad's family. He hasn't found anything overly interesting yet.
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@Woodpigeon (3710)
• Ireland
15 May 07
That is how they got so many of the castles and the estates, people donating their land to be forgiven their debts. I don't suppose you would have any McAllister Clan ancestry because we would then be cousins through my mother's side :-)
@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
15 May 07
Actually on my moms side of the family we are related to Julia Ward who wrote the Battle Hymn of the Republic. We also had a famous doctor from Canada in our family on my moms side of the family as well. I don't know his name but my grandma has it all in an album that she traced back years ago. I don't know alot about my dad's side but my stepmother did send me a gift one year of a geneology chart going all the back to the the 1600's on my dads side of the family.
LIVE IN PEACE
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@drakan291 (817)
• Ireland
15 May 07
Supposedly we descend from William the Conqueror and a load of other monarchs in between, but who knows. I can never keep track of all of it but it is kept in a bunch of books my family has.
@Bon508 (17)
• United States
15 May 07
My name is Mudd! Not really, but one of my ancestors is Dr. Samuel Mudd... the doc who treated John Wilkes Booth's leg after he shot Abraham Lincoln.
@lancingboy (1385)
• United States
7 Mar 08
Oh gosh, who am I NOT related to? First off, my great-something grandfather was Christian Fike. He is a famous amish man in America. Pennsylvania was where he lived and he built the first Grist Mill in Somerset County.
I am related to the German duke, Duke Eberhard.
My family also comes from Mary Queen of Scots, which means I am a distant relative to the House of Winsor of Britain.
@spasticfaerie (25)
• United States
6 May 09
My family found out a few years ago that we are descendants of Ann Putnam of the Salem Witch Trials. She is one of the little girls who had accused those people of bewitching them. Also the basis of the book the Crucible.
I always thought this was interesting because I am, in fact, a witch.