Does Humanity Need To Have A God?
By lifeluver
@lifeluver (743)
Canada
May 23, 2007 12:30pm CST
Quite often, those who believe in God talk about the good that comes to them from doing the work of God and they believe that without God, bad things would happen to them.
Then, there's the people who don't believe in a God but still lead good and fulfilling lives.
My question is do you think we (as humans) need a God in our lives in order to do good and receive good? Why do you think the way you do?
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@Rickrocks8 (1751)
• United States
24 May 07
I cant speak for others nor will I try. I will offer my opinion. I need God in my life. And the awesome part is he doesn't really need me but he wants me. I think that is a pretty awesome thing. I struggle with the fact that their are very good people out there who dont have God in their lives. I happen to think that they are more wanted than I am by God. A shepard will leave his flock to seek out that ONE lost sheep. We celebrate when we find something that is lost. Their are alot of lost and lonely people out there that are "good" people. I happen to think that God is full of mercy and grace and its not in the bible and my pastor will not agree with this but I think in the end God may give 2nd chances. That is what I think and feel in my heart. Havignthe Lord in my life just makes it better. Life is just too hard to do it alone. Why do I think the way I do? I think with my heart before my head. So I guess its because of my heart why I feel this way.
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@lifeluver (743)
• Canada
24 May 07
I really like the way you put your opinion here. Especially where you say "he doesn't really need me but he wants me". When I've had little chats with God, I've wondered why he wants me. What makes me special that God - I mean, like, GOD - wants ME?!?! I really IS amazing, isn't it. Thank you very much for sharing (and very clearly I might add) your opinion with us.
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@Rickrocks8 (1751)
• United States
25 May 07
He wants you because you are his child. He loves you no matter what. He's awesome! As a little girl put it at church, "God just loves us so stinkin much."
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@meeandnotyou (2548)
• United States
23 May 07
I think that alot of people do need the idea of a God in order to do good since if there is no promise of good to come then why do good?!? The idea of doing good for the sake of doing good is foriegn to so many people these days and most people would never do it to save their own life since the bad things in life are the things that bring rewards now. I personally do not need a God to do good since I think that doing good is it's own reward, yet in no way am I a saint since I do do bad as well. I try to outweigh my bad with good but I do still do bad.
Thank you for the thought provoking question and have a great day!!!
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@lifeluver (743)
• Canada
23 May 07
You're quite welcome. I like your answer here as well. Especially since you haven't said one way or another as to whether you BELIEVE in God, you simply stated how you behave and how you see society behaving...very good.
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@meeandnotyou (2548)
• United States
23 May 07
Thank you for the response and I am glad that you like my answer. I try not to speak on my beliefs about God as my beliefs differ greatly from most people's. I do not ascribe to the mainstream beliefs such as Christianity, Judiasm, Islam, etc... as I have a system all of myown and my system works for mee yet it may not work for anyone else.
Once again thank you for the response and have a great day!!!
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@lifeluver (743)
• Canada
24 May 07
That's exactly the way I feel. I really enjoy learning about other faiths but as for myself, my relationship with the Creator is simply between me and Him.
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@derek_a (10874)
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24 May 07
I don't see God as a person, but as Everything. That means He is also She and is in all things, plants, animals, rocks, the planet, in fact the universe.
If we look at all things, we will see cause and effect. This is known in the East as karma. It works on every level. If we feel hatred and vengeance, we will feel cold miserable, yet if we think of love and forgiveness, we will feel warm and loved. Therefore we are responsible.
I practice Zen meditation (zazen) and get a strong experience of how the mind and the way it thinks can have an effect on my moods and behaviour. As a therapist, I have taught many how to do this meditation, and all of them who kept up the practice have told me how much better they feel for it in all their daily affairs. How much more meaning there seems to be in their lives.
In communities, where meditation is practiced on a daily basis, there is always contentment and peace. Like the Zen temples in Japan and the Tai Chi communities in China. This to me, is God, although different nations have different names for Him.
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@lifeluver (743)
• Canada
24 May 07
Very interesting Derek_a. I also believe that God is not actually a being but he IS being. When one is true to themselves, then one is being and one experiences God. I'm not quite sure how to better explain that.
I have not practiced any meditation except on my own without much success. I have wondered if meditation would make my mind even clearer. You mention here Eastern cultures use Zen and such. I think since these are some of our oldest existing civilizions, that should say something about what they practice spiritually. Eastern culture has always fascinated me for that reason. It seems to me that since we often seek wisdom from our elders, why not seek wisdom from our eldest societies?
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@lifeluver (743)
• Canada
25 May 07
I've just finished reading your article and I like the way you've clearly explained Zen. It's interesting because last night, I was reading exerpts from a book someone had recommended for me (The Study of Spirituality - I can't remember the author). Anyway, the part I was reading was about "silent prayer" or "dark prayer" and it sounds a lot like how you described Zen meditation ie: clearing the mind of unecessary thought. According to this book, once one achieves a certain level of (prayer) ability, then this "silent prayer" becomes quite natural and the individual may not even notice it is happening.
@derek_a (10874)
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25 May 07
If you wanted to practice meditation, it takes time. Most people don't "get it right" straight away. I have a small article on it on my website which is here - http://ayrehypnotherapy.com/whymeditate and if it is Zen you are interested in there is one book (linked on my article page), called Three Pillars of Zen, written by the late Roshi Philip Kapleau, that I find excellent. I have owned this book since it was first published back in the 70s and it gives clear instructions on Zen meditation (zazen) and the difficulties you might come across. If you have any other questions, please feel free to message me.
I know what you mean when you say you are not sure how to explain the "experience of God" - words are not adequate for it is beyond the ability of the rational mind to explain it. :-)
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@elshaddai123 (3981)
• Kottayam, India
23 May 07
As we see in the life human race, nothing good is coming up and who will judge those people who do wrongly to you and me.Why they keep police and judges appointed to adhere judgments to those aggrieved ones.So you can see something wrong somewhere with the human society,so we need a righteous Judge who judge with out looking to the face of anybody, and will be appreciated by everyone, who omnipotent,omniscient,omnipresent, that we call God.Since we are here it is only natural to think that somebody super to us made human race.But it is still your prerogative to think as you like but still you cannot avoid that idea that there is God, everliving and ever loving.If there is such a One, you have to be responsible to that God.If you need more information kindly contact me thru private messages. Thanks
@lifeluver (743)
• Canada
24 May 07
You make a good point when you state that we need a "righteous Judge". One thing that I think we all look for is unconditional love and God certainly provides that. I do believe in God, I just don't practice conventional religions. Even so, I still wonder (as mentioned above) when it was that we (as humans) got our first sense of "awe". Immagine being a "caveman" witnessing a lightening strike. Perhaps that witness explained the experience in "godlike" terms. That is to say that lightening must have come from a very powerful being. What do you think?
@lifeluver (743)
• Canada
24 May 07
You are right to say that we need a "righteous Judge". Please understand, I do believe in God, I just don't practice conventianal relegions. I wonder, though, when we first got the notion of God. Imagine being a "caveman" and witnessing a lightening strike. Do you think it would be natural to conclude that lightening must come from a powerful being.
@Rohit20 (327)
• India
23 May 07
you heard of Mahatma Gandhi,Mother Taresa,Swami Vivekanand,Nelson Mendela and many many other leaders of the world & they ALL beleived in the GOD.AND unfortunatly I don't recall any leading personality who is athiest/non-beleiver of god.Success comes to those who keep firm faith in god and I am hopeful that your doubts would be much clearer by now!
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@lifeluver (743)
• Canada
24 May 07
Please understand...I have no doubts about God. I posted this question purely for educational purposes. I like learning about people and God.
I must say, I've never heard of athiest leading personality either. It would be interesting to find if there actually have been any in recent history...
@indjohn (10)
• United States
24 May 07
Your question is really "loaded". You see, the assumptions that are made by people when discussing God are difficult to unravel. For instance, most people will say that as long as you believe in a god and you are sincere about it, you are ok. The underlying assumption here is that man's sincere belief is good enough to make any god valid. Obviously this is an erroneous assumption. If man's sincere belief is good enough to validate a god, this make man a god greater than the one he believes in.
At the same time this erroneous belief is driving most discussions about god. It then becomes a vicious circle because any man made god is no god at all and therefore it is bound to disapoint the believer.
Do you see where I am going with this? Unless God Himself, the real maker of heaven and earth, unless He decides to reveal Himself to man, there is no way to resolve your question.
God did reveal Himself in the person of Jesus Christ but this is a discussion too lengthy to get into right here.
@lifeluver (743)
• Canada
24 May 07
Well, lucky for me, I'm not seeking a resolution. What I do seek is education about people, God and the world around me.
You're right, it is a pretty loaded question that really could disolve hours in conversation and debate. There's plenty of spots in MyLot to discuss the relationship between Jesus and God, that's for sure. I am just curious about how people approach the type of question I've posed here.
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
24 May 07
you haven't answered that question yourself, why do you think the way you do?
I believe in God because I feel his presence in me. I have also known great people who do not believe in god.
I am a student of psychology and do believe that humans search for meaning in their lives, as the great psychiatrist viktor frankl wrote.
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@lifeluver (743)
• Canada
24 May 07
As the poser of the question, I feel that I'm not obligated to answer it. I will, however, in my comments reveal how I think.
You say you feel God's presence in you. Are you sure, or is it simply your own confidence shining through? Additionally, your studies in psychology have shown that we seek "meaning" so is God the meaning we are seeking?
@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
25 May 07
The short answer is no we do not need a god. Humankind is by nature altruistic and does not need a supernatural being to do good. If you deal compassionately and with tolerance to others you need no one to direct you. We share a kinship with all other life on this planet and good comes from recognizing that and treating all living things with love.
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@samsonsorte50 (57)
• India
26 May 07
There IS no god. If any body thinks so she/he lives in Fool's paradise.
@MakeItCount (350)
• India
7 Jun 07
I don't need a God to do good things and I'm not refraining from doing bad or hurtful things because I'm afraid of God (well, maybe a little ;)) But I think faith helps a lot when you're going through bad times. I feel comforted to know that there's a good, kind, benevolent God looking out for me. Does that make sense?
@lifeluver (743)
• Canada
24 May 07
It's too bad that we don't seem to be able to do that on our own, isn't it?