The scale. I hate it. So I'm looking for help. Tell me about the diet plans....
By Amber
@AmbiePam (93898)
United States
May 27, 2007 9:30pm CST
Obviously, exercise is a must. I know that. But I need to lose weight. Not for anyone but myself. I have a condition that actually makes me gain weight. With medication, I am controlling it, but it will be ten time harder for me to lose a pound than it would the average woman, so says my doctor.
Tried Nutrisystem. Hated most of the food and it is too expensive for me to try again. Slim Fast is a no because it never fills me up, and it has a lot of sugar - unless you get Carb Control, and then it's just blech. I've heard of MediFast, but don't know anyone who has tried it. I've done the cabbage soup diet, which did help me lose weight years ago, but now I need more than that for energy. Weight Watchers is really big with my mom and most of my family, but I can't afford all the items necessary to make those meals. I don't even have pots and pans. I just can't spare the money. But buy eating healthy, I think I'm saving money in the long run. Less doctor bills maybe, less depression, I'll be able to get more done because I'll have more energy...
So my sister is doing these GNC shakes for 2 weeks and then these AmazeRX shakes for two weeks. She eats dinner at night, but takes the shakes during the day. That sounds good,but when you are off the shakes, how do you keep it off? Maybe that is when you ramp up the exercise.
So please, share what has worked for you and what has not. I've tried not eating after 6pm, but my nightime requires I eat a small meal. I drink water like crazy. Give me your expertise, because I know you guys have been through it. I just want to be healthy.
PS If you have tried any of the diets I dissed and they worked for you, I did not mean to insult your way of life. I am just stating they did not work for me. : )
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30 responses
@raynay (45)
• United States
28 May 07
I feel your pain, i too have a problem that makes it really hard for me to lose weight my body is actually telling me I need more and making my hormones and other things get all wacked out. i was on medication but it always made me feel sick so I stopped taking it.i know not everyone can do that and my Dr. was a little hesitant but he told me as long as I stayed with a high protein program he'd be okay with it. So I bought the South Beach book to get down the fundementals and then he gave me his approved foods which were so restricted and I did fine for the first 2 weeks thinking I'd get more choices come week 3 but his plan goes strict for 3months. Lets just say I didn't make the months that well so I've started again but in my own way. I'm increasing my protein trying to eat more whole fruits and veggies and steering away from white flour and lots of sugar. If I want something that's bad just have a few bites and not all the time and I'm trying to add more activity. I think being to restrictive like many of the programs are, leads often to failure. or it makes it to hard to transistion after you finish their plan. I've also just purchased a hypnosis system that's suposed to help with dieting. From what I've read people who have used it have done well and a friend of mine locally has a program like this but way to expensive and it worked for her.
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@trinidadvelasco (11401)
• Philippines
28 May 07
i used to have this urge too much to eat and eat and eat so much more. it seemed i cna never have enough food at all. then i tried taking orlistat which goes with the brand name of xenical. after i have been taking it for six months, the hunger pangs were gone and i have lost much of the belly fat which made me feel so hard of breathing. try it. consult your doctor. it may do just as well for you. good luck on this one. i hope that you will find this agreeable enough for you.
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@pennycan2 (251)
• United States
28 May 07
i have tried the carbohydrates addicts diet and really like it. you eat protien meals for 2 of your meals of the day. any two you like. the 3rd meal, you are given 1 hour to consume whatever you want. it is called your reward meal. it's i guess a modified version of the atkins diet. it does work though. if you are like me and can't stop eating especially breads and pastas then this would be good for you. try to buy the book so it will help you understand how it actually works. send me a message if you would like more info. good luck!
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@pennycan2 (251)
• United States
6 Jun 07
sorry it's called the Carbohydrate Addicts Diet. Let me know if you need help finding it.
@pilbara (1436)
• Australia
28 May 07
Weight watchers worked for me. I don't find it any more expensive to buy healthy food and cook it properly than I did to buy less healthy food. In fact it is often cheaper as I am now more conscious about portion sizes so buy less than I was doing previously.
I'm not trying to be nasty, but how do you manage with pots and pans? I couldn't possibly cook much of anything without them?
For me trying to stick to points, eat healthy food, not overeat and exercise works. I hope that you find something that works for you.
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@AmbiePam (93898)
• United States
28 May 07
It's only been a month in a half since I moved, so that is how I have made it without them. : ) I was living with my parents again, and they would frown on it if I stole them. LOL I just have been buying Lean Cusine dinners, salad material, and fruits to get me by.
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@KarenO52 (2950)
• United States
28 May 07
I've been trying to lose weight for the last 10 years. I've tried many things too, and failed, but now It's finally starting to come off slowly, so far I've lost about 20 lbs. I try to walk at least 3 or 4 times a week, and I've been watching to make sure I get enough fiber in my diet, I'm aiming for at least 25-30 grams of fiber. I drink water instead of pop most of the time, and I eat smaller portions of food. I've completely given up on diets. I can't stick to any of them, so I just try to eat healthy things most of the time.It's a little frustrating not to see the weight loss faster, but I can tell the difference in my clothes being looser, and I can fit comfortably in smaller sizes.
One thing that helped me for a while was I joined Curves, and I lost pounds and inches, but it was expensive, and it wasn't opened convenient hours for me. Besides that, I live 20 minutes away from the nearest Curves, so it took a lot of time out of my day. I have the book with exercises that you can do at home that are supposed to give you the same results, but I haven't tried that yet. I'm planning on doing that soon.
I know what you mean about wanting to be healthy. I've got arthritis now, and the weight makes it worse. Since I've lost a few pounds, I can move around a little easier, I can really notice it. lately I can even walk up and down the steps without holding on to the railing. I think that when you start to take the weight off, you will notice a difference in how you feel too, and that helps to motivate you. If you get adequate fiber, walk a couple of times a week, and eat smaller portions, maybe that will help you too. It can't hurt to try.
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@AmbiePam (93898)
• United States
28 May 07
You are doing well! I never thought about the fiber factor. I have been walking a little per week, but not enough. It's been rainy the past few weeks, and I like to walk outside, but I may need to learn to walk in malls, even if I feel uncomfortable. I have lost 11 pounds in the past 3 months, but I know I can do better. I've started drinking soymilk and have tried to cut out snacks. I really like your attitude also. Slow and steady. I have arthritis in my spine, so I know it can be painful. People say, 26 and you have arthritis? But it can happen, and it does. Thank you so much for your response and sharing your experiences. : )
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@KarenO52 (2950)
• United States
28 May 07
Young people can develop arthritis. I started to get it in my neck when I was only 25. I didn't have a lot of pain at first, so I'm lucky. I was in a car accident, when I was younger, and I think that may be what started the arthritis in my neck. I have it bad in my knees, and I think that's something I inherited. A lot of relatives from my mom's side also got arthritis early on.
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@Woodpigeon (3710)
• Ireland
28 May 07
I recommend Fit for Life by Harvey and Marilyn Diamond. It is available at Amazon in used form from a penny, so it wouldn't cost much if you didn't like it. It's juts meant to change how you look at food and how you eat, rather than to diet.
Also, the more muscle you have, the higher your metabolism is and the more calories you burn even passively. I think the most important thing to remember is it took awhile to putit on, and it is going to take awhile to get it off, so just keep plugging away.
@AmbiePam (93898)
• United States
28 May 07
I'm thankful, that despite the disease that started putting weight on me 12 years, I'm not so large that I cannot get around or people even look at me as if I'm very big. But the disease I have is a constant and I want to beat it. I used to exercise and eat light and think why am I not losing weight? Well, years later I found out. I'm going to check out the book you mentioned. I can spare a penny and the cost of shipping. Thank you for the suggestion. : )
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@johnwoon (125)
• Malaysia
28 May 07
I'm sorry to hear of your condition. Some of my friends are in the same boat as you with different degree of success.
Please refer to the following resources which my friends find very useful. You might also find some clues and tips suitable for your own use.
http://healthysite.blogspot.com
http://stopobesity.blogspot.com
http://doexercise.blogspot.com
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@TerryZ (22076)
• United States
10 Jun 07
Hi AmbiePam my girlfriend was really overweight a couple of years ago and tryed weight watchers and it worked for her. But as soon as she went off it she gained it all back. So I think eating in moderation and exercising seems to work. Im not overweight but take I a walk everyday just for the exercise and I dont eat alot of breads. Like you said not eating after a certain hour is good to. And its good your drinking alot of water.
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@freak369 (5113)
• United States
6 Jun 07
Don't trust the scale - muscle weighs more than fat so if you weigh 160 this week and only "lose" one pound during the week - you could get really discouraged. That is the on thing that I stress to people - getting on a scale is not great advice because you aren't getting a solid reading on your progress. Measurements and body fat levels are the way to go.
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@AmbiePam (93898)
• United States
6 Jun 07
Thank you for the advice. In the past, I didn't take the muscle factor into the weight loss and I wondered why I started to lose less and less. I know people hit plateaus, but I really want to be aware of the possibility that I'm gaining muscle. I'd love to do that especially in my upper arms. Thanks again for the reminder. I appreciate it.
@charms88 (7538)
• Philippines
28 May 07
Hello ambie. I don't know what I'm doing here. I need tips to gain weight not the other way around, LOL! Have you tried Herbalife. After I gave birth to my second girl, I took Herbalife for 3 months and was back to my normal weight. It has all the vitamins and minerals added so you will be assured of getting the right nutrients and at the same time, losing weight as well. I strongly advice you to ask your doctor about this product. Based on what you described, you might have thyroid hormone problem. A condition that can give you added weight.
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@AmbiePam (93898)
• United States
28 May 07
Gain weight? Oh, how I wish that was my case. I don't have a thyroid problem, although years ago when I noticed the problem, that was what we all thought. I have been diagnosed with something else, and it could easily been mistaken for a thyroid problem. I have heard of Herbalife, so maybe I should do some internet research on it. I know vitamins are key, and I am taking them, but I'd really like to get all the ones I need, not just a few here and there, so Herbalife sounds worth checking out. Thanks!
@charms88 (7538)
• Philippines
28 May 07
The Herbalife has many package depending on your needs. I took the basic only which includes a nutritional drink, fat burner and anti-cellulite. They also have one for metabolism. Check out their website so you will have a better understanding of what I'm telling you. Good luck!
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@66jerseygirl (3877)
• United States
28 May 07
Diets are hard to suggest because what workd for one may not work for someone else. I do have a tip for you that I got out of woman's world magazine.drink plenty of water before and after the meal. Having a lot of water in the belly while eating not only helps fill us up but speeds up the digestion time in the belly and so the food ;s not in the belly long enough to consume a lot of calories
@4cuteboys (4099)
• United States
8 Jun 07
I hear ya! I used the be a size 0-2 after my first two boys, but turned out I was on too much Thyroid meds and that was helping me to not gain any weight. Now that they have it better controlled I don't lose easily. However I have lost all and then some after my first two, all but 2lbs after my 3rd son and after my 4th I lost all but 10, but ended up getting pregnant again so didn't get a chance to lose. What I do is go on a treadmill or walk for at least 2 miles. However long it takes I make sure to do at least 2 miles. I work up to 4. I will usually do this every other day. I try to do 2 miles in 20 mins at the max, but if it takes longer so be it, if it's shorter than that's good! I do 8lb free weights for my arms and this I do the days I am not doing the treadmill. I do tummy crunches and obliques every single day. I do squats holding the weights 3 times a week. I count calories. I eat whatever I want but keep my calories under a certain amount. Usually it's very reasonable (at least for me it's reasonable) like around 1600 calories a day.
I also recently read in a magazine, that if you can cut out 3500 a week (1/2 thru exercise and 1/2 thru cutting back on eating) you will lose a pound a week as there are 3500 calories in a pound.
This is what I plan to do after my son is born. I can usually get down to a size 6-8 about 6 weeks after giving birth if I follow this. This is what works for me! I hope this helps you sweetie and goodluck!
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@AmbiePam (93898)
• United States
8 Jun 07
This does help, thank you! I need the exercise advice. I can't lift the weights, I thought I could despite the back problem. Learned that the hard way! LOL, But I like to hear input on which exercises really work for people. Since starting this discussion two weeks ago I've lost 10 pounds. Seven the first week and 3 this week. I take it as a good sign I'm losing it slowly. It's a battle, but encouragement and advice from you and some of the others, keeps me going with a lighter heart. : )
@4cuteboys (4099)
• United States
8 Jun 07
WOW ten???? CONGRATS, that is AWESOME weight loss!! Wowowoww!! I am so happy for you!! Yeah definatly skip the weights if it's bad for your back. Maybe you can look up things that will tone your arms that don't require weights! Also you dont have to use weights to do the squats!!! Great job losing the 10lbs though. Cant wait til this little one is born and I can shed some as well :)
@Suzika101 (69)
• United States
28 May 07
I am trying also. Seems like everything works against us. Mostly, I find that socializing usually involves foods that are high in fat and calories. Every holiday is centered around some type of goodies and those events start me back to craving junk.
I too have tried just about everything. Thing is it all works. You just have to find the one you are comfortable with. Make your plan and work it.
Two things I have done lately that really worked were fasting and the Duke University Rice diet. Both sound awful, I know, but really aren't too bad at all.
First, if you fast you can modify it anyway you want. It is perfectly fine to fast for part of each day, one day a week or a couple days a week. Fasting gives your body a rest, clears some of the cravings and does not lower your metabolism. It has been studied and actually lengthens your life span and causes cells to repair their DNA. I try to fast all day every other day or twice a week. If I feel at all light headed or if I think it is affecting my perfomance at work (since I teach and that is pretty demanding) I eat some almonds or have a protein shake.
Non-fasting days I eat whatever I want and still lose weight quite rapidly.
The rice diet is a good detox diet and very healthy for you. You eat brown rice three times a day and have fruit and vegies with it and for snacks. I sometimes add some milk, maple syrup is okay too. The first 2 days are supposed to be really strict, but I usually skip that part. The rice is filling and the vegetables and fruits give some variety. I like rice with sauted mushrooms, onions and green peppers like a stir fry. It is also easy.
One thing about both of these diets is they are so easy. Not expensive, no measuring really and ingredients are almost nil. All you need is a bag of rice, some produce and the desire to lose. For fasting you need no prep, no groceries (LOL) and definitely don't have to measure if you are eating nothing today.
Another variation of the fasting is to only eat four hours of every day. My mom used to do her own version of this. She used to say that as soon as she ate she wanted more. Therefore, she put off eating every day until dinnertine. That kind of works if you have other people around who are eating differently than you would like to also. You join them for meals once a day and during school/work hours you just abstain.
My doctor recommends South Beach diet, Slim Fast or Weight Watchers. I agree WW is expensive and terribly time consuming. Slim Fast could be a variation of the fasting I described and South Beach is actually good too. That is low carb, but expensive b/c you eat a lot of meat.
Hope something here helps. Let me know how you do.
Suz
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@thinkingoutloud (6127)
• Canada
1 Jun 07
I've been doing South Beach for about 3 months and I've lost 23 pounds so far. I have done WW in the past and it worked well... for awhile. I know we all hit plateaus (I've even done so with South Beach but the scale's now moving again!) but with WW, even my group leaders couldn't figure out what more I could do. I lost about 32 pounds on it and then stopped cold. A colleague recommended South Beach because I suffer from hard-to-control hypertension, have a family history of heart disease and South Beach was created by a cardiologist. I don't go for "fad diets" but she bought me the book and had it sent to my door. I read it cover to cover and decided it was something I would try.
I had been gaining weight steadily, was on one blood pressure med after another and my legs were swelling something awful (and I hated that! I had never been heavy in my legs and it broke my heart). My doctor agreed that losing weight would do me good but was no help at all -- she told me to just stop eating! She thinks adults overeat all the time and that we don't need nearly what we take in.
I started South Beach and I can honestly say that the swelling in my lower legs is gone. I had one day last week where they looked puffy -- but it was also super humid outside that day and she had told me that I could expect at least some of my swelling could be weather-related. Who knows for sure?
I don't actually find the SBD to be that expensive. You have choices about which meat or fish you eat so I've found different things that give me a decent quantity for the price I pay. Plus, I eat things that my family doesn't so something I buy "for myself" can last quite a long time. I haven't had a sandwich since February 28th LOL The initial period of the SBD is two weeks where you don't have bread, rice, potatoes, pasta, fruit... and then you can start adding them back. I've added back some fruit but I still don't eat most of the starches. Oddly, I feel better since I stopped including them in my meals. Most nights, I eat a portion of meat (beef sirloin, some chicken or fish) and vegetables or a salad (I eat a LOT of asparagus... it's good and I can cook it literally in 2 mins in the microwave).
I've set a goal to lose 50 pounds and I'm hoping to cut or get off the meds by doing so. When I get there (I don't want to say "if" this time!), then I'll re-assess how I feel. I'm almost half way along! That in itself feels good. I'd encourage you to just have a look at the book... even borrow it from the library if you can. I learned so much about the foods that I thought were good for me and they just aren't. I learned a lot about my blood sugar and how it plays into my cravings for carbs. I learned the value of fiber in slowing down how our bodies break down food into sugars (I drink a glass of psyllium fiber dissolved in water at least once a day... I tell my kids it tastes like Tang with pulp LOL!) I also learned that I can eat properly, three times a day and have low-fat cheese or nuts for a snack and steadily drop pounds. I got a treadmill and walk on that a few times a week (or I walk outdoors on the nice days). I'm putting my bike in the shop to get it tuned up and hope to start taking the bike path soon. I've got to stay on track this time because, losing my dad to a massive heart attack at 53 and my mom to cancer at 63, has made me get serious about being around to know and love the grandchildren I hope will come along some day!
All the best to you all with your goals... just know that we CAN do this :)
@AmbiePam (93898)
• United States
28 May 07
You advice sounds very well thought out and sensible. I have heard of the Duke University Diet in passing, but have not looked into it. The rice diet sounds like something I could do, but I'd have to add fish to get some meat. I cannot fast though. I used to be able to, but now days I have to have food with some of my medication. But your idea of like fasting until dinner sounds do-able. When I get hungry though, I tend to feel very tired. Maybe stocking up on fruit and veggies will prevent that from happening. Thank you so much for you advice! : )
@mksuresh (43)
• India
28 May 07
Hi!please drink as much water as you can drink more than that u drink daily.
Add 3 tea spoons of honey in lemon water adding no sugar and take this liquid soon after brushing your teech at early hours of the day.You can see a very good result as soon as u start doing this.
All the best
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@buenavida (9984)
• Sweden
1 Jun 07
I hope you are not too overwhelmed with the many ideas you are getting about weightloss.
Maybe you could take some time and visit the links in my profile and see what the top scientists in the world came up with - it was actually some years ago but it seems to take time before it is known everywhere.
This group of scientists that work with www.gnld.com taught us about the glycemic index long before most of the world learnt about it.
They have also taught us a method to clean our cells and feed them with right nutrition by eating the right kind of oils together with vitamines and minerals from natural foods. That prevents health problems like fibromyalgia and even cancer.
This method has been used since 1958 but it was not until 2003 that two chemists got the Nobel Price when they could explain how the lipids and sterols from fats actually work in our cell membrane.
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@AmbiePam (93898)
• United States
1 Jun 07
Lately I've heard a whole lot about the glycemic index. With all the amazing work those scientists did, I wonder why it isn't more wide spread? Such a breakthrough should be talked about. Maybe it is because other diet marketers want to keep it quiet so they can sell their products successfully.
@gberlin (3836)
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31 May 07
I have a friend who lost quite a bit of weight by simply eating only vegetables and fruit. I have yet to try it because I am always tempted by other foods I like such as ice cream and pasta, and bread. I have decided though that I am going to make a serious effort this summer to only eat veggies and fruit. Good luck with your dieting.
@AmbiePam (93898)
• United States
31 May 07
Thanks, good luck to you as well. I started 2 days ago being very careful what I ate, and to use any opportunity for exercise I can actually do. I don't think his diet would work for me because I would need more protein. But if it works for him, it sounds good to me.
@SarahPT (136)
• United States
31 May 07
Personally I never ecommend nay of the popular diets. I will not say that no one has ever had success with them, because that is not true. There certainly are cases of people who are successful with them. However, I can't tell you how many clients I have come to me who have tried popular diet after popular diet and have failed at each one. The typical reason is that each person's nutritional needs are VASTLY different based on many, many personal facotrs and popular diets don't take that in to account. Believe me, before designing anyone's nutrition plan I send them a thorough 2 pages of questions, that sometimes turns in to 4 pages before we are done. There is a lot to consider in deciding the best way for someone to eat in order to lose weight.
Typically, most popular diets are too restrictive. Because they are so restrictive people will see weight loss at first. Commonly, but not always, weight loss will stall. With a very restrictive diet people tend to become frustrated because they are limited, and end up not sticking to the diet anyway.
I don't like the word diet. I believe in solid nutrition programs that contain all the tings our bodies need in order to function the best they can: carbs, protein, fats, and all the vitamins and minerals. No eating plans needs to be super restrictive. It should be something that makes a person feel physically good and provides choices. This way a person can stick with their eating plan long term and adopt healthy lifetyle habits. Much easier this way to maintain weight loss! I design all my client programs this way.
Sarah Brown
www.sarahpersonaltraining.com
@AmbiePam (93898)
• United States
1 Jun 07
I agree. I know sometimes it is tiny letters, but on the diet commercials, there is usually a line that says resutls not typical. Because for every success, there are 5 or more failures. I started 3 days ago being practical about what I need. I'm not going to starve myself, but I won't always be eating when I'm hungry either. If the hunger comes with fatigue, I know I should eat something small with protein. I exercise when I can, but always do something. I would LOVE to hire a nutritionist, but the money isn't there. I applaud you for all the work you do being a personal trainer. You are impacting people's actual lives, and to be able to do that is rare.
So I'm about to put my dinner on the plate now. I think you'd approve. Lemon grilled fish with a side of whole wheat ziti pasta (including bits of corn, and red peppers). I'm pretty glad I found something healthy that tastes good! LOL
@beautyqueen26 (16030)
• United States
29 May 07
The trick to losing weight is feeling full all the time. So, how do you do that if you don't eat. Well, try this simple diet tip that I use.
Eat a bowl of high fiber cereal at least 30 minutes before lunch and dinner. The fiber will make you feel full so you don't have to eat as much. You won't feel like giving in to cravings or sweets. And, unlike water that will simply pass out of your system quickly leaving you hungry, fiber tends to stay around for days.
It's super healthy and has been linked to many health benefits.
And, yes, more exercise is better. Daily aerobic exercise helps burn fat and get rid of cellulite. Check it out with your doctor, first, though.
I try to do at least 25 minutes of stationary cycling every day.
It's easier than walking, especially for anyone who has foot pain or can't stand for a long time.
And, you can read or watch TV while you're doing it.
If you don't like sitting on a bike, you might try a recumbant stationary cycle.
They're not very expensive. I saw one on Ebay for less than $150, shipping included.
But, if walking is all you can afford, do that. It works. But, don't look for immediate results. It may take up to a year or more to lose 20-25 pounds with walking and good eating habits.
Little changes to your diet will make the biggest difference. Dejunk your fridge to get rid of the junk foods; cut out fried foods; measure your portion sizes; eat more fruits and vegetables daily; grill or broil, don't fry.
Just a couple ideas.
No gimmick, shake or magic pill will take off the pounds permanantly. Once you stop drinking the shakes, the weight will slowly creep back on.
There are some excellent diet and weight loss plans available like Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, etc., that also provide nutrition counceling and group support (essential for weight loss.) But, the trick is to stay with the programs even after you've taken off the weight.
Permanant weight loss requires a daily effort. It's not something that you can simply do and then go back to eating junk food.
So my best advice: Don't give into cravings (try the Raisin Bran cereal, it works); exercise everyday; get rid of the junk food, sweets and prepackaged foods and go semi-vegetarian.
Best of luck with your weight loss.
@AmbiePam (93898)
• United States
29 May 07
I LOVE the suggestion about the high fiber cereal before lunch and dinner. That's a fabulous idea! I can't afford even the $150 bike, but my doctor told me walking (no jogging) is best for all my back and neck problems (car accident 7 years ago). I know this has to be a way of life. That is why I was hesitant on the shakes my sister has lost weight on because surely it will come back, at least half of it. I need to find a free online support group. I doubt anyone has a free support group where you can meet in person. I don't have a problem with sweets thank goodness. Right now, there isn't anything but a tub of Smart Balance butter and in my cupboard a can of chicken noodle soup. lol
@dania13 (96)
• Canada
1 Jun 07
* You will find lot of infos and FM support groups in Oklahoma on that wonderful site:
www.fmaware.org
National Fibromyalgia Association of USA
- with friends i started our own FM group in our little village, on the site they explain How to proceed and they give FREE HELP too, even we were in Canada they helped us!
Good Luck, Dania amiga
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