A circus....animal cruelty or not?
By foxyfire33
@foxyfire33 (10005)
United States
May 28, 2007 10:37pm CST
I just saw a commercial for a circus coming to the area. It showed all the trained animals like elephants doing what looked like head stands and tigers jumping through hoops. It made me think about how some people think circuses are bad for the animals. I'm not really sure. Probably their ARE bad circuses that mistreat the animals but there must be some good ones too. Of course ideally all the animals could live happily in the wild like they were intended to but that's just not possible anymore. Between land development and poaching there isn't enough safe land left for them ALL to live on. Considering the alternatives it seems like a good circus can't be all that bad for them even if it does seem unnatural to train wild animals like that.
I'd love to hear opinions about this. In my mind there is no right or wrong answer so feel free to give your input even if it disagrees with me or anyone else. I'm just curious about the whole thing.
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
29 May 07
I think there can be good and bad in curcuses like anyone else. I guess a good circus where the animals are well cared for is better then the wild. The animals are well-fed and they don't have to be concerned about predators (If they can worry)
I would think that training them to do tricks is good mental stimulation, the stimulation they would get in the wild when out hunting and in everyday life.
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@foxyfire33 (10005)
• United States
29 May 07
You're thinking along the same lines as me. You see stories of animals starving and being brutally killed (by people) out in the wild and it just seems like they at least have a chance to be healthy and happy in a good circus. The training does probably take the place of what they would get in the wild so that's probably good for them too. Thanks for your opinions!
@foxyfire33 (10005)
• United States
30 May 07
The hunted vs. circus part is what gets me too. It is a very touchy subject. Thanks for the response.
@canjo13317 (396)
• United States
30 May 07
hunting is a whole different discussion. who wants to start that one?
@Stiletto (4579)
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29 May 07
I hate the thought of animal acts in a circus. I have seen one but walked out before the end of the show. I was unfortunate enough to have a ringside seat and could clearly see the healing whip marks across the backs and legs of the lions. Quite disgusting. This, by the way, was not some disreputable little touring circus - it was actually the most famous and biggest circus in the UK. I'm not sure if there actually are any circuses with animal acts left in the UK - I haven't heard of any for years and I know that a lot of local authorities (including the one I live in) have banned circuses with performing animals in them. Possibly they still exist but I suspect they have a diminishing audience. Many people no longer find it acceptable "entertainment".
As for the proposition that an animal is "safer" or has an easier life in a circus environment rather than in it's natural habitat I'm afraid I have a hard time swallowing that one. It's the equivalent of saying that we would all be safer if we were locked up in jail - I mean at least then we couldn't be hit by a bus could we? Which would you prefer - to be in a "safe" captive environment or free in your natural habitat with all it's risks?
@foxyfire33 (10005)
• United States
30 May 07
Thank you for the opposing opinion! I was hoping someone would come in with this kind of information to balance the discussion.
What you witnessed was indeed disgusting. I'm glad I have never seen anything like that! Although the other side of it is that some people think a whip is the way to train a lion and find it perf3ectly acceptable not cruel. I happen to think that if it takes a whip the lion doesn't belong in a circus.
I haven't heard of any widespead circus banning here but I do seem to recall one being broken up becasue it was found to be abusing it's animals. I am completely against circuses that do that.
Your last question is certainly thought provoking! If I had been born into the "safe captive environment" I would want to stay there. If all I knew was my natural habitat, I wouldn't want to be captured, no matter what the risks.
@kelly60 (4547)
• United States
29 May 07
I'm sure that there are some circuses that mistreat their animals, but many more that do not. The way that I see it is that as long as the animals are happy and healthy, that it should not be considered animal cruelty.
@foxyfire33 (10005)
• United States
30 May 07
I agree, the bad ones are cruel but there are many more circuses that work very hard to keep their animals happy and healthy. All circuses shouldn't be judged because of a few bad ones.
@kayrod2 (1304)
• Australia
29 May 07
I love the circus, and always have. We are seeing less and less of them, and there are quite a few that dont have animals in them anymore. I dont think that the animals are being mistreated, they seem to be well looked after and there carers seem to care deeply for them. If these animals were put out into the wild they would die. They dont know how to look after themselves, as many have been born in the circus.
Best wishes to you, foxy
@foxyfire33 (10005)
• United States
30 May 07
Animals born in captivity definitely aren't capable of being returned to the wild safely. In those situations the circuses are doing the animals a favor by keeping them. Most are taken care of very well to. Many trainers treat the animals as a family member.
@canjo13317 (396)
• United States
30 May 07
I don't find anything wrong with it. Whose to say the animals aren't "happy". They don't even know emotions. What else are they good for? They are beautiful animals and lots of people would never know what they were like if they didn't tour around and perform for us. Showing just how amazing they truly are. As for being kept in cages, only being let out for brief periods of the day. Sounds like life to me. Go to work, go out for lunch, back to the "cubicle". Even when I get home, its do this, do that, pay for this, etc, etc. What's so bad about living in a cage when you don't know any different. Oh, and if those whips really bothered those lions, I'm thinking they would make a quick snack out of the tamer. I've seen them in action (MO's Wild Kingdom) and believe they can take care of themselves. Now, how about those poor clowns......
@foxyfire33 (10005)
• United States
30 May 07
And your viewpoint is a perfect example of the line I quoted from the last response...
"Its a fine line of who does, who doesn't, what you consider abuse and what you don't. "
You think they have a good life others don't.
I don't know how everyone else feels but this discussion is very interesting to me just seeing how different people see it differently.
Thanks for your input on it!
@mouse03 (13)
• United States
30 May 07
In my opinion it's not cruel. I do wish that animals can one day go back to roaming the lands that are so rightfully theirs, but that's just not going to happen. So a Circus can be a great thing as long as the animals are treated with proper care.