Karma makes me a jerk!

@soccermom (3198)
United States
May 30, 2007 9:10pm CST
Ok, my younger sister (she's 27) got married last July and her and her hubby want to start a family. She's had fertility issues and they've been trying to work through them, they want a baby badly. My sis called me tonite saying she's been in the hospital the last two days, and started to cry because she had cysts in one ovary a few years ago and it had to be removed, and now it looks like they will have to remove the other one, meaning no chance of having their own kids. I feel bad for her, and I hung up the phone and my hubby asked me what was going on and I told him what comes around is now going around. He looked at me funny and I told him my sister is getting a rather harsh lesson in karma. When she was 17 she got pregnant and had an abortion, even though she had our whole family to support her, because she was concerned about what it would do to her chances of going to college. I have to say that I am pro choice, and she made the decision that was right for her at the time, but now she is paying for it. I know it sounds cold, but I can't help but thinking this is indeed karma, and I wonder if her $50K a year job her degree afforded her is worth it. She should have had the baby 10 years ago. My hubby says this opinion I have (which I wouldn't share with anyone but him and myLot) just proves I am a bona fide a$$**le. Am I wrong for thinking this way?
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26 responses
• United States
31 May 07
You are most certainly not, abortion is wrong. Its killing an innocent life, that simply did not deserve it. Aside from that point, its definatly karma. I think that if she would have had the child when she was younger she might still have had this problem, however she would have had a child. I owe my child my marriage, if I hadn't had him i'd never have met the man of my dreams. I was raised in a way that you would consider it acceptable to do things such as abortion, etc. However as I grew and learned different things, my heart soon felt that it was wrong to do such things. I feel strongly about it even though I was raised to believe otherwise, its just going by what you feel in you heart. I think that you should be worried about your sister and offer your sympathy to her if she needs you, however I don't think you should be sorry for feeling the way you do now. I think that it is simply bad karma as well, but you should be there for your sister if she needs you.
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• Japan
1 Jun 07
You can't really say that. There are couple's who are good people and yet they can never have kids. There are couple who are really mean and yet they keep popping babies all over the place. Personally I would take an abortion if I were in her place provided the baby is still just a ball of cells. I'm in no shape to take care of a kid at age 17. I'm still in no shape at age 22. I don't plan on having any kids, but if I do then it will be when I am around 30. I wouldn't to give up my own child for adoption. I suppose if the baby is already formed then I will not have the abortion. However I know I will be facing a harder life as I won't be going to university. I know there will be less employment opportunities if I never went to uni. So I have been very careful about getting pregnant.
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• United States
1 Jun 07
I can say whatever I want, and feel however I want. There are also couples everywhere in this world that hurt they're children and probably don't deserve to be parents, however we're not discussing them or they're problems. We're talking about this problem with this person's family, it concerns none of those other people. Personally I would take an abortion if I were in her place provided the baby is still just a ball of cells. I'm in no shape to take care of a kid at age 17. I'm still in no shape at age 22. I don't plan on having any kids, but if I do then it will be when I am around 30. Wow, I guess that people aren't or weren't very mature in that time. I got pregnant at 17 and I had my child, I graduated highschool while being 8 and a half months pregnant, and walked across the stage. I found if very difficult to support the life I created, however I did it. Plus at 6 weeks the child has a heart beat, therefore is more than just cells. Its wrong at anytime for abortion, its just wrong. I think that it doesn't matter whether you get pregnant or you don't get pregnant, it has nothing to do with schooling. If you get pregnant, your chances are limited only to your will and your strength. So if you choose to give up on your dreams because being parent is too hard, then its your choice. I think that some youth and young adults of today's age are just not mature enough to handle teen pregnancy so they take the easy way out. The cowards way out, so in this case yes I believe its karma. If that makes me a horrible person for feeling that way so be it, however its what i feel and i have a right to it. Rated!
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@soccermom (3198)
• United States
1 Jun 07
Well silent I'll be sitting next to you on the bench with all the other horrible people. I have gotten numerous responses saying I should be more supportive of my sister, and I am always supportive of her, it's not like I don't feel bad for her situation, I do. You were right when you made the statement about being limited only as much as you want to be. Thank you for a thoughtful reply.
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@tinamwhite (3252)
• United States
31 May 07
Well, karma does have a way of coming back around....I hate to hear this entire story...it is indeed sad... I do not think that you are a bona fide a$$ at all...this will be difficult for her but she has made choices in her life that she can not change now.... I realize that having that child 10 years ago would have made dramatic changes in her life and I am not judging her..it was clearly her choice....she made it... I also do not think that this is specifically a punishment either....but she can not change this now either....it truly is sad that something she was willing to throw away is now the item that she craves so desperately....truly sad.... I know that you will be there to comfort her...this is difficult; no matter what the past....no matter what the cause....no matter what anyone else thinks or feels... I will add her to my prayers... You are not wrong...feelings are just that...YOUR feelings...and you are entitled to them without judgement and without reprisal. Tell hubby to chill out...LOL
@tammytwo (4298)
• United States
31 May 07
I don't think this makes you a jerk. You can't help the way you feel.
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• United States
31 May 07
I feel for your sister. How awful it must be for her to be going through this situation and then to have a sister that sits there and thinks that because of an abortion she had 10 years ago, this is the reason it's happening. She did what was right for her. She got pregnant, and decided that she wouldn't have been a good mom, wouldn't have been able to give a baby the life that it deserved, wouldn't have been able to do all the things she needed to do at 17 years old, to fully support a child. Now how in the world is it that you are pro-choice yet you are spewing the b/s of karma because she had an abortion. c'mon on now..
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@soccermom (3198)
• United States
31 May 07
Ashley, I was the first one that said she made a choice that was right for her. But it had nothing to do if whether she would be a good mom or not, and everything to do with she wanted more for herself, she was quite the party girl, as I was myself, and I think it's sad that she has to look back now and wonder what could've been. I would never tell my sis my opinion because I love her and I know she is suffering for her choice.
• United States
31 May 07
How is it "selfish" to know and be aware that you are a "party girl" and that having a kid was not a good thing to happen at that point in her life? How do you only see "she just wanted to party, she didn't care about the kid" and not "she knew she would want to have a party life and that having the baby would not only screw that up but would not be responsible enough to care for it and probably breed resentment and lead to bad parenting"? Or do you just think you're sister is too much of a dumb sl*t to think it through that far?
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• United States
14 Jun 07
And somehow knowing that you don't want or can't handle a child and not subjecting yourself or the child, or any other family that may become involved to unnecissary hardships isn't "grown up"? Just because you chose to have it doesn't make your decision inherently "correct" or "grown-up". Nor does it make anyone else's different choice "wrong" or "childish" or "selfish" for that matter. Having a child is NOT about "growing up", it's about becoming a different person. An adult and a parent are two entirely different people. And as much as people try to preach that they're not, it doesn't change the fact. An adult can devote their time to careers, partner/spouses, hobbies, talents, aspirations, dreams. A parent is a parent. Sure, they may do those things in their spare time, but how much spare time is there really after childbirth recovery, feeding, burping, diapers, crying, shopping, colds, doctor's visits, follow-ups, vaccinations, bonding/"mommy'n'me", then pre-school and school functions, PTA, social functions, schoolwork, tutoring, then teen angst, puberty, discipline, keeping up with the latest fashion trends, more tutoring, extra help, school games/performances, rehearsals/practices. You may have been fully willing and personally able to make that kind of transformation, but not everyone is and even if they are, most people can't just flip a switch at the drop of a hat. And that is not an inherently selfish, immature or childish trait. Being able to recognize that in yourself and not risking it should be concidered very mature and self-aware.
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31 May 07
As you are pro-choice then you have this opinion, but I don't know whether I would put it down to karma as I see nothing wrong with abortion, so I don't think she is being punished. I read your responses and if she was going through college partying, she may have kept doing this even if she had chose to keep the baby, then who would have brought the baby up. The burden may have fell onto your parents. So many girls do this or are babies themselves having babies. She has got herself together, met someone she loves and wants to start a family now she is an adult. We all make stupid mistakes when we are young, but I don't think we should be punished for them in later life. So I do feel sorry for your sister that this has happened to her. Have you told her you feel this way??
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31 May 07
After reading this soccermom I can see why you feel this way. I suppose some people are just selfish and her remarks to you were totally out of order. You made the best decision possible to help yourself and your child. I have had the same experience. I have not spoken to my sister since December because I was sick of her interferring in my kids life's and I told her one day "If you want a prodical child, then have one yourself". She cannot have children herself, but I could not keep allowing her to use mine for her needs. She does not even speak to her niece and newphew now, so it shows me she is just selfish. I do believe in what goes around comes around, but at 17 years of age I don't think we really know ourselves too well. I have a daughter of 17 and to think she might get pregnant would break my heart but I would stand by her on what decision she made. Obviously waters run deeper with you and your sister and her having the abortion is just part of it. Oh the joys of having a sister. I wish you well soccermom!
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31 May 07
By the way my sister had an abortion when she was younger too and only a few years ago she had to have surgery to remove some cysts from her ovaries. How strange!
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• United States
31 May 07
You sound very jealous of her. You just said you are pro-choice. So it obvious that you are not REALLY thinking what she did by aborting her baby was wrong. You are jealous of the money she makes. You are probably jealous of her for reasons we do not know, too. That is so sad. You need to work out your feelings.
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@soccermom (3198)
• United States
31 May 07
I made the remark about her salary as a point that being a mother and having that experience is worth far more than any amount of money. I am in no way shape or form jealous of her. I make just as much money as she does and we were raised to believe it was the emotional, not the materialistic things in life that matter. So your idea of me being jealous is way off base, I do feel sorry for her. They can adopt, etc..but she will never know the joy of pregnancy. And I know this si gonna sound nuts, but I think it's sad that she feels she was not a strong enough person to juggle the responsibility of getting pregnant and having baby as well as furthering her education, she has told me so.
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@soccermom (3198)
• United States
31 May 07
I am not angry at her. And as far as being supportive goes, I have been far more supportive of her than she has ever been of me. I wouldn't tell her I feel this way, I have been her shoulder to cry on since her fertility issues started, not to mention all the other things she has gone through in her life. My first post ever on myLot had to do with being a surrogate for her, if that's not support I don't know what is.
• United States
31 May 07
Whatever your feelings are, you are not a supportive sister. If you ever make a mistake in your life, hope that you have someone more supportive than you are being of her. You seem so angry at her. It is sad.
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• United States
31 May 07
Awww hate to think that anyone who can't have a baby it is because they should have had it 10 years earlier. 10 years ago she might not have been mentally ready for a baby, it is probably a blessing that she waited, perhaps she can adopt a baby, there are so many unwanted babies out there I would rather see parents that really want a baby and can provide a wonderful life for a child than to see all these babies that might be killed by their parents just because they are alive. I wish your sister the best, I know it must be hard for her, try to be supportive to her, even if you believe this is Karma for her, this is something she wanted now in her life and is unable to conceive her own. I wish her the best.
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@soccermom (3198)
• United States
31 May 07
I wish her the best also. She has the added stress of arguing with her hubby over adoption. he doesn't feel it would be right to adopt a baby because it wouldn't be there own. In my opinion if they want a family bad enough and adoption is the only option they will do it. They'd be wonderful parents to a less fortunate child.
• United States
1 Jun 07
Karma need fails to dole out retribution. I have seen it time and time again. Whether you are or are not an a$$ has nothing to do with the situation also known as what goes around comes around.
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• United States
1 Jun 07
oops meant Karma never fails...
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@shannon76 (1232)
• United States
1 Jun 07
God does things for a reason, I am sure your sister is going through this for a reason. Perhaps she has not repented for her sin(s). Perhaps she is not healthy. Perhaps we will never know the reasom why. I don't believe in karma - I believe that God has a purpose for each and every one of us and He has everything planned out perfectly.
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@KrisNY (7590)
• United States
31 May 07
Please don't take offense - But I agree 100% with your husband on this one- This is your sister- She isn't able to have children- she is now married and ready to have a family and because of some bad choice she made 10 years prior (the choice of not using protection- not the abortion)- you think karma is punishing her?? Yet you say you are pro-choice- Wow-- Please don't share that info with her- Be sympathetic with her- this must be very hard- Regardless if she had an abortion or not- She porbably would have had these problems anyways- I bet her job and degree don't match up to not being able to have children- but that is heartless- I wish your sister well- Perhaps you could donate an egg and use in vitro-- there may still be options open- besides adoption.
• United States
31 May 07
Yes u r wrong for thinking this way honey. I too believe in Karma however, whether that is the case or not, you are her sister. You shouldn't judge her. You should be there for her right now. Remember, it can happen to YOU too for not being sympathetic. She had an abortion when she was 17. She was young. People make mistakes when they're young. I'm sure you have too.
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@soccermom (3198)
• United States
31 May 07
I am here for her and she knows that. I'm not trying to come across as judgemental, I have made several mistakes that I have paid for. I am a victim of Karma in ways also, the difference between her and I though is I let her use my shoulder to cry on, she never did that for me.
• United States
31 May 07
Well, I see what you are saying. I'm assuming even if she had never gotten pregnant at age 17 and had never had the abortion she would still be going through this now. BUT-- since she did get pregnant, she would have at least had a child today if she hadn't aborted her baby. Very sad situation. I don't know if it's karma, because I know lots of women who have had abortions and then have been blessed with babies later. But it's definitely a wake-up call, ladies! You aren't guaranteed to have your fertility forever, and each pregnancy is indeed a blessing and a miracle. Be grateful that you can even get pregnant, because many women can't. I wish, for you sister's sake, that she had made different choices a decade ago, but even that wouldn't comfort her right now. Once she gets through this, perhaps she will look into adopting a child. She can still be a mother!
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@soccermom (3198)
• United States
31 May 07
Reading your post it made me wish I could add on to my discussion. A big part of me feeling like this is karma does not apply to every woman that has had an abortion. And who knows, she may still be going through this now had she not aborted. But my sister has been consistently selfish and self centered the majority of her life, and I can't help but think this is some sort of payback (not punishment) fort he way she's lived her life and treated those around her.
• United States
31 May 07
Well maybe you are right. Karma's a b*tch, isn't it? I do believe that what comes around goes around, so if your sister has been selfish and self-centered her whole life, perhaps that is why this is happening to her now. Maybe this experience will make her look at life differently. Hopefully!
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
7 Jun 07
I understand where you are coming from, but that time has passed and the present is what we need to be concerned with. As much as I believe in karma and what comes around goes around, I don't believe that is the case. I think in this case it is the luck of the draw. I have polycystic ovary syndrome, and I don't think it has anything to do with karma or anything I did in the past to bring this upon me. I mean put yourself in her shoes. She made a decision many years ago, regardless of whether it was right or wrong, to pursue her career, I don't agree with it, but I think you should be more comforting to her regardless of how you feel about this issue....now she is a woman, she is your sister and she wants to have a family like you do. I know you feel bad for her, but in a time like this, you would want total support from your family. I do'nt think your an a-hole for feeling the way you do, but I wouldn't divulge that to your sister ever. She doesn't need that and she doesn't deserve that. It will only serve to hurt her more so. I think your a kind and loving person, who has very strong beliefs. I am very sorry for your sister, but I would do as the other commenters did and see if they can extract eggs from her ovaries before they remove it and then do ivf on her. I wish her all the best of luck.
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• United States
14 Jun 07
I hope I'm not being to forward, but did your PCOS make you infertile?
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• United States
1 Jun 07
No I don't think you are wrong for thinking this way especially since she did have support. I was still able to build a career as a single mom but have now chosen to be a stay at home mom with our family since I have gotten married. I really don't care what kind of "evidence" doctors and scientists say about abortions have no effect on pregnancies later in life because I know so many people that have gotten them and have had lots of problems later either carrying the baby or having the baby.
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@icequeen (2840)
• Canada
31 May 07
I have to somewhat agree with you. I don't believe in abortion either. My sister did the same thing..when she was younger. I think that if you have the mind to get pregnant and not use protection then you should take the consequences. Anyway...I don't know if it is karma...but I feel sorry for your sister. She did something that may not be right in your eyes but she is going through a hard time now...and maybe you could swallow your feelings and just be there for her now? Life is too short...
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@SpitFire179 (2536)
• Canada
31 May 07
um no, your not wrong for thinking this way either, she made her choices, she made her mistakes, and now it's time to pay for them. there's nothing anyone can do for her but herself now. now maybe it's time for them to look at adoption, she did this, she asked for this... i would have said the same thing myself.
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• Canada
31 May 07
Even though, this is family.. You're entitled to your own opinion. Just because the grass is greener on the other side.. doesn't mean you'll find a pot of gold there!
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@sacmom (14192)
• United States
31 May 07
First of all I am sorry that your sister won't be able to have any children of her own. Secondly, I do not think you are wrong for feeling this way. I don't think you are a "bona fide a$$"...you're just believer in karma. Nothing wrong with that. I wish more people believed in it. It would probably make this world a better place...
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@ellie26 (4139)
• Malaysia
31 May 07
Hi soccermom, there is nothing wrong about the way you are thinking. Just dont share your thoughts with your poor sister. There are always other option to have kids. Not necessarily your own flesh and blood. Your sister can opt for adoption or surrogate mother. In a way, she can avoid all those morning sickness and the labour pain etc.
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• United States
31 May 07
it doesn't make u a jerk o.O maybe just a lil..but its not ur fault.. i mean everyone suffers weither we'd like it or not XD
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