Global Climate Change... What's More Important?
By ParaTed2k
@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
May 31, 2007 12:20pm CST
We are witnessing a change in climate. I don't think anyone can really argue against that. The debate is now about whether it is caused by natural cycles or human activity.
The thing is, I don't think it matters anymore. Infantile blame games do nothing but keep politicians and doom-and-gloomers' bank accounts bigger.
I think we should be focused on what we need to do to adapt to the changes, not bicker and argue about who caused it.
There are debates going on about global climate change constantly, but I rarely hear anyone talking about the most important topic... What do we need to do to adapt?
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8 responses
@yanstill (1490)
• China
1 Jun 07
i definitely agree with you,no matter whose fault it is,the results are there,now our mission is to fix it.
i've seen some books about global warming,and the disappear of tropical forest,i think they are related,in some sense.
one thing i guess every one can do is to plant trees every year,trees can absorb CO2,that is one factor of global warming,and if there are enough trees,then they will do a good job.but trees now are not grown as fast as they are cut down,especially after some disasters of forests,we face a more severe situation.so cut less tree and plant more,is one basic thing for our single person.
scientists now are doing research on global warming,but this is not only their business,everyone in the world has the responsibility,and we should do it from every tiny thing.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
1 Jun 07
You missed the point. It's not ours to fix, it is ours to figure out how to adjust to the changes.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
1 Jun 07
I'm saying that we, like all other life forms, have to learn to adapt to the cycles of the earth and space, or die.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
1 Jun 07
Hello ParaTed2k,
While I recognize that mine are not populist views, I'll share them nonetheless.
I am an environmentalist from way back. Yet, I think those who head the environmental movement are more caught up in emotion than science or logic. To be a true environmentalist, one must seek out balance, follows the laws of science, and not stand in the way of the ever evolving state of the planet & its species.
I'll also state that I have answered a number of global warming questions on MyLot disputing man's culpability in the overall warming trend. So, anyone who's interested is certainly welcome to explore my answers pages. What I like about your question Para is the angle of 'what to do'. I've never found squabbling to be very effective unless solutions accompany the gripes.
So, here goes... freshen your beverage now, because this is going to trend toward the long!
External Heat:
First, the past five or so years, Earth's scientists have been monitoring intense gamma radiation being emitted throughout our galaxy from a supernova in our neighboring galaxy. Hence, the warming trend on Mars as well. Given the half-life of radiation, and it's heat impact, it's no wonder the earth is experiencing a warming trend.
We don't hear much about this in the GW (Global Warming) debate, because every research university is dukin' it out over quick research funding. Although most of our braniacs realize that CO2 emissions (of which man is only responsible for 4%) are in no way impacting this current warming shift, the research grant protocols are already in place to obtain GW research grants, from a CO2 emissions standpoint. So, as is typical -- it's all about the money.
Also, our brainiacs recognize that pollution is a genunine problem. So, blaming GW on pollution kills two birds with one stone. Our scientists also realize that it's infinitely easier to create band-aid solutions to GW, than to come up with real solutions to prevent external radiation bombardment. That would take some real work! But, band-aids do not get to the heart of the real problem. So, we're left with zero on the table for workable solutions.
The solution: stop wasting billions of dollars on band-aid pollution solutions, and start tackling the immense issue of radiation containment. We certainly can't create a lead shield for the Earth, so our researchers need to redirect grant requests to following in Einstein's footsteps, and finding a way to either: alter space, so as to deflect external radiation. Or at the very least a way to control particle structure to block or limit radiation's ability to pass through our upper atmosphere.
Now, that's tough work I'll admit. But, if we wish to truly control GW, then external radiation is a huge part of the formula.
On to Part II
Internal Heat:
Oil is not a fossil fuel! Contrary to what we've been taught in our grade school classrooms, oil is a renewable resource. This is evidenced by the fact that tapped out oil reserves have regenerated since the 1970s. This 'fossil fuel' misnomer is at the heart of the environmental movement. It is erroneous, and the braniacs know it! Yet, the Environ movement has not altered it's message, because to do so would instigate a whole new debate about how these dried up reserves are miraculously at full reserve in 20-30 years, thereby disempowering the movement, and the enormous cash gifts the various Environ groups receive. Again, it's all about the money.
A possible solution: We need to gather our best geologists and geo-physicists and assign them the task of finding and drilling oil reserves near our volcanic epi-centers. How near, I don't know. That needs to be determined by the folks with all the gadgetry & PHd's hanging on their walls.
My suspicions are that if the Earth is creating new oil, then there must be a very good reason. Like: oil is a natural lubricant used by the Earth to transfer excess heat and energy, from the core to the surface. I'm not saying that this mound of rock known as Earth is sentient per se, but rather that the law of 'the path of least resistence' is applicable across the board.
Global warming is a clear indicator that excess heat is present. And, deep drilling could potentially give us the ability to help the Earth direct minor heat/energy release, thereby averting the calamitous volcanic and seizmic disasters so prevelent on our major fault lines and our active volcanos.
We don't necessarilly need to work harder. But, we sure need to start working smarter. So, I support careful, deep-sea drilling. And, rather than throwing money at CO2 control solutions, I'd rather see gobs more research in improving deeper sea-drilling technologies, and incorporating committed geological/seizmological monitoring in with deep-sea drilling.
Ok, it's time to go feed the dogs. So, if anyone wishes to counter my theories, I'll be back in a little while.
Oh, and I'll add that I'm not able to provide any links to news articles about the neighboring supernova, or the replinishing oil reserves because my dad gum Internet Explorer will no longer allow me to open multiple browser windows. So hey, if anyone has any thoughts on that pesky little problem, I'd love to hear them. However, there's plenty of info on the web, from highly reputable sources, to check my inclusion of both.
Be back shortly!
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
1 Jun 07
Thanks ParaTed,
I've offered some of this same information before on MyLot, and meticulously countered many of the GW misperceptions to no avail. It's staggering to me that people are so committed to erroneuous information, if only it helps them feel useful.
Oh, and I don't have a hemp hat, yet. Although the dogs ate my gardening hat, so I might just be looking at a hemp replacement. Any suggestions?
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
1 Jun 07
Ladyluna: That didn't "tend towards long", that dove right in in full scuba gear! ;~D
It was definitely worth a read though! You are a great example of the difference between a real environmentalist and an environmentalist wacko... You use your brain for more than a place to put a hemp hat and sunglasses. :~D
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@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
1 Jun 07
Excellent overview of the situation, Luna. I can agree with the gamma radiation theory. That makes more sense than anything else to me. When you look out into the universe, there is such wonderment that a human cannot begin to understand it all. I recently found a picture taken by the Hubble telescope, that shows two galaxy clusters colliding. That means thousands of galaxies moving toward each other. Makes global warming seem like a first kiss to me...lol.
As far as renewable oil, I am not sure. When a oil bearing formation is drilled and oil is produced, it is common that only about 50% of the known reserves are ever produced. That is because pressure is lost as the field becomes depleted. In most oil fields, about half the oil remains in the resavior. Several techiques have been tried to force more oil out of the ground including water and steam injection. So, I believe that much oil still is there for the taking if we can find a way to get it out. This is what happened early in the 1900's as wells were drilled so close together that less than half of the oil could be pumped out before pressures dwindled. Thus oil well spacing became important to production of an oil field and there are strict spacing requirements in place today.
As far as working toward adapting...nothing major has really happened other than warmer temps. There is little evidence to suggest that more tornadoes or hurricanes or flooding is the result of global warming (at least in the US). All the predicted disasters and the end of man are just that; possibilities and expectations. It might be decades before anything is determined to be caused directly from global warming; meaning that permanent damage might be happening right now, but it will take years of study to substantiate the causes.
In my neck of the woods, all that has happened is some warmer winter months and some warmer days here and there during the summer. No big deal. In fact, I would argue that there are fewer violent storms now than there were 30 or 40 years ago in this area. And the temp variations seem to be more balanced this year with a colder Jan and Feb after a warm Dec. So what's the fuss all about? lol.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
2 Jun 07
Well first off there is nothing we can do about global warming. The blame human crowd always wants to say that it is our carbon monoxide that is heating the earth that is causing global warming. The truth is that carbon monoxide has been proven to cool the earth. When Mt. Pinatubo erupted, it spued a thousand times more carbon monoxide than all of human's history combined. Not only did Mt. Pinatubo not heat the earth but cooled it by 3 degrees. By producing an artifical cloud covering through smoke one can actually cool down the temperature of the earth. People need to realize that the earth by itself is suppose to be 140 degrees, but due to cloud cover the earth's temperature stays around a livable temperature. If one wants to actually cool the earth, it needs to actually produce more smoke. Since we can't control clouds, we can create artificial clouds, and that would bring down the temperature of the earth.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
3 Jun 07
That's right, which is why I'm glad we are finally taking the fight to that ultimte mass murderer... MOTHER NATURE!
@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
1 Jun 07
You make some good points. Since I belive that 99% of the global changes are natural occurances, there is little we can do to change them. All we can do is adapt and prosper. I wonder how the earth changed so often before man arrived on the scene? Could it be that earth goes through a natural process of cycles? And how will Al Gore explain global cooling which will eventually happen to balance global warming?
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@netbuster (99)
• India
1 Jun 07
I saw two photos of a famous Himalayan Glacier, one a recent one and one taken a while back. There actually was no glacier ice left in the recent photo. It was frightening to say the least thinking of the consequences of global warming.
I think we all must do our bit in preserving greenery and water. Saving water is very much within our grasp. When it comes to greenery we could be vocal when we see damage being to disturb the ecological balance. Many voices will make a difference.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
1 Jun 07
Why do you think that ice was always there, or that it will be there forever? Too many people think that "ecology" means maintain a single static snapshot in a dynamic world.
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
31 May 07
We need to do the same thing that we have always done.
This global warming/climate change is nothing new, and I don't believe it is caused by man either.
We have always adapted to our changing environment and we will continue to do so.
To suddenly come out and say the world is going to end because man has messed of the planet is incorrect and irresponsible on the part of these misguided propagandists who spout such drivel.
Global warming is a natural aspect of the earth, and man has very little to do with it...if anything.
Over the past 100 years there have been at least 4 global warming scares and 2 global cooling scares.
In the 1970's scientists were convinced that the world was going to freeze over.
Guess what...earth is still coming out out the last ice age, so of course it is warming.
It will continue to do so until it becomes warm enough to trigger a cooling cycle with will then take it into the next ice age.
Man has no influence on this and can neither stop it or speed it up.
A really big meteor can though, and that is more likely to happen than man causing it.
We simply make whatever changes are necessary as events dictate.
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@Dan_ul (858)
• Romania
31 May 07
I don't agree... the earth does have some cycle of some kind, but human has his role in accentuating this phenomenon... we are cutting down trees, we are producing tons of tons of CO2 an other toxic gas to produce gasoline and other very very non polluters stuff... we have exterminated hundred o species... so You can tell me that man kind had nothing to do with it?
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
31 May 07
Agreed Destiny. It's "survival of the fittest". Mankind has survived and thrived because we have been able to use our heads to overcome whatever Nature has thrown at us.
We won't survive by thinking we can change what nature does all by herself. We'll survive by using the brains God blessed with.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
31 May 07
Dan_Ul: So how do you explain the same global changes happening throughout the solar system?
@shivampanchal (174)
• India
1 Jun 07
Hell, just concentrate on your job there are many to worry about it.......like scientists.....
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@roniroxas (10559)
• Philippines
1 Jun 07
its like the saying "you cant beat them, join them"
there is nothing we can do but to adjust learn to bear with it. we cant argue or watch this politician talk a lot and nothing is really making a change.
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