Could Allah be Satan?
By Riptide
@Riptide (2756)
United States
June 2, 2007 2:54pm CST
Like I said, I will not be silenced, so here it is.
First off before I start, let me say that I am a Wiccan, but being raised catholic I know plenty about satan and god and heaven and hell.
I do believe there is a God and a counterpart. Some call that one satan and I'm sure it has many names in other religions. For arguments sake let's call this deity satan.
Now let me explain how I came to the conclusion that allah is satan.
From what I remember from religious studies and bible classes, satan always wants to be like God. He tries to imitate him and is jealous of him.
Just like God has the Trinity (Holy Spirit,God,Jesus).
Satan has a trinity (the antichrist, the false prophet and lucifer).
God has his prophets and he has the bible. Now after a few hundred years, satan grew tired of having to struggle to find a handful of followers here and there and not having a book to guide those followers.
So he forms a plan and brings it into action. He picked himself a prophet, Mohammed, and appeared to him claiming to be God.
He picked Mohammed I believe, because he needed someone that he could easily influence and had no qualms about using violence to spread the word and since he was a pedophile, was probably already one of satans favorites.
He then dictated to him what to put in the book, and for good measure,made sure to have him include that nobody is to quesion that book, since he knew how inquisitive human nature is.
He already knew that men dominated their women back then and in order to keep his religion alive, he made sure it would stay that way, so that had to go into the book.
In order to make sure those men stuck around and did his bidding, he had to include a promise of many virgins in the afterlife, because what man can resist that? Satan knew all to well about the desires of the flesh and how easily men are lured that way.
He also knew well that god fearing men would not follow him, did they know what and who he really is. So of course he introduced himself as the true God.
Now if one delves into some of the verses in the koran, and read between the lines, one would see that these verses could never come from God, but only from satan himself.
The hate for jewish people (God's people).
Fornication in heaven (unheard of in the bible).
Beating women (the bible commands for a man to love his wife,not beat her)
Doesn't satan entice people with all the things they want if they do his bidding? Sounds like the koran when it promises the virgins, and as I just found out earlier,young buys for a mans pleasure in paradise.
So my conclusion is. Allah is satan.
What do you think about my theory?
For a little extra reading and debating I got the permission of a friend to include her theory as well. So here it is.
The idea of religion and spirituality in pretty much every other religion out there speaks of peace, love and aligning oneself with the loving creator and a life of good to seek a glorious afterlife.
Think about the other religions you know about other than islam and you can come to the conclusion that even though the religions come from many different places with very different people the basic ideas are the same. Most religions do not condone violence, hatred or command an existance based only on agreement with no questions or doubt.
islam to me seems to be that of Satan because not only what Rip said but when you think about it.... many of the ideas in fact glorify what other religions abhor. (Not extensive list)
1. Violence - Against nonbelievers, females, apostates, Jewish, infidels.
2. Hate - Jewish people, apostates, infidels etc.....
3. Vengance - One insults them or allah then they feel the need to fight for honour. They kill those that question or condemn.
4. Pedophilia - They get to pick from the finest child virgins to bugger. (Male of female)
5. Lust - They do what allah says in life so in death they can have virgins of choice. Tell me that isn't lustful. They only kill themselves so they can be a martyr and have the best pick of them.
6. Wrath - See Theo Van Gogh, Geert Wilder and ever victim of 9/11 and the London bus and countless people in asia and more!
7. Suicide makes you a martyr.
In the original Hebrew texts Isaiah Chapter 14 references Helal the fallen king of Babylon.
In life the Babylonian King Helal persecuted the children of Israel.
(Helal: Means Star of the morning but also the word for “New Moon” in Hebrew.)
Christians started to use this reference to depict Lucifer. I won't go into too much detail here but with that in mind....As Lucifer, the morning star.
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" Isaiah 14:12
For a little fun: A Passage describing the morning star: (Ignore gender reference it doesn’t matter.) "She is sometimes not visible from Earth in the morning because she does not rise until after the sun is above the horizon, but she is seen at evening after the sun is set." Dante: The Divine Commedy 3- Paradise
Hmm....
* In life the Babylonian King Helal persecuted the children of Israel.
* The name Helal means Star of the Morning, but also New Moon.
* Lucifer as the morning star; the prince of darkness.
Allah is the Babylonian moon god. This is why often you see the symbol of the crescent moon in middle eastern culture. Look at the flags of some Muslim nations to see this as well. You have no doubt about that.
So originally there was the Babylonian moon god Allah married sun goddess Al ilat. Allah was to make way for Ai ilat with the coming of the day. (The moon usually retreats as the sun rises.) The Arabic people of the time were worshipping these deities pre-Islam.
However Muhammad was the follower of the moon god and in a sense created the idea of monotheism in worship of only the moon god as the one true god. (Denying Al ilat.) We know that Muhammad was a chauvinist so thinking about this, you can clearly see his intentions.
With that said…. The moon must give way to the sun with the coming of the day….The moon, that which rules the night alone. That which reigns over the darkness. (Considered polar opposites) (moon & sun) (Light has always been equated to goodness, Dark equated to evil….) Think back to my Dante quote.
Hmm….
* In life the Babylonian King Helal persecuted the children of Israel.
* The name Helal means Star of the Morning, but also New Moon.
* Lucifer as the morning star; the prince of darkness.
* Allah Babylonian Moon God.
Am I illustrating the point I am driving at clearly enough?
Think about this: A God that reaches out to one who engages in pedophilia, violence, murder, rape and war…. Muhammad, to bring his word to the people. What word could that really be? One would think that it would make sense that if the word is pure and is of love, peace what have you,(Muslims claim their religion is peace) that a deity would either pick one of similar virtue to convey the message or this messenger would exhibit qualities relating to the message. Hmm….
As in Jesus…. Who wasn’t perfect however he pretty much lived his message on all accounts anyway. If not then would people have followed him? (Would people have adored a hypocrite after all these years? No.) Was he not loving and kind like the God he described? On all accounts, yes!
Then why pick someone as detestable and vicious as Muhammad?
Because Allah is the devil and Muhammad his false profit. Either that or being the King of lies, Allah appealed to Muhammad’s sensibilities and as Satan is known to others, condones such atrocious behaviours. Would Muhammad have needed such insistence that what he was already doing was what was prescribed by “god”? Chances are highly unlikely as obviously Muhammad liked these things. Really it was just affirmation….
Satan is said to love death and destruction and evil. So then of course suicide bombing, wife beating, telling to kill in the name of, destroying the enemies of or those that oppose and hating are a part of this religion….
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12 responses
@megs85 (3142)
• Australia
3 Jun 07
Funnily enough i reckon this bloke has a point! As I mentioned *last time* i reckon theres something out there, and in the end they are all the same no matter what face, but noone can prove it blah blah blah. But this point right here is good. If humans create "gods" and "religion" for their own end, which is something i semi believe, then relly the only "satan" that exists is one that resides within humanity itself.
"WE" do evil in the name of religion and god- no matter what religion yo uare talking about (Islamic/ Christianity/ catholic)
JMO ;)
@megs85 (3142)
• Australia
3 Jun 07
This is why I think conventional religions are rubbish- people merely use them as excuses to do what they will...
People who kill in the name of god or religion, ny religion- islam, christianity, catholicism, etc- are just enable to take responsibility for their own actions and are driven by their own selfish desires IMO
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@xionous (439)
• Belgium
3 Jun 07
i totally iternally agree more then 100% with megs and abrar...all those incedents about god, satan, religion everything occured due to the weakness of human being. if god exits, he exits in us and if satan exists he exists in us too....we are evil and we are good....its all about us and doesnt have anything to do with god or satan...if you have killed some one then it doesnt have any thing to do with satan or atleast no one will believe satan is responsible for the killings....and if you did something really good no one will say god did it instead of you....you are the one who is going to get all those congrats for that...
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@BrainTeaser (1428)
• Pakistan
2 Jun 07
Should i be laughing at this ? Alright here i go lolz, what a dramatic comedy you have created i guess you should be starting your career as a director or something rather wasting your time for few cents in here ,once so called moon god married with sun goddess and than satan thats really contradicting i guess you should come up with better comedy next time my friend anyways thanks for making me laugh :D.
@HighReed1 (1126)
• United States
3 Jun 07
It seems to be a valid point. It scares me some that you think it is funny.
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@BrainTeaser (1428)
• Pakistan
3 Jun 07
Oh some fanatic killing a girl is cruelty on the part of the mad person or a group of maniacs while atom bombing Japan was fair and not count as cruelty ,apart from that old example bombing a recent marriage ceremony in Afghanistan by USA bombers was also a act of justice killing more than 3 dozen of woman and children plus plenty of man,now thats really contradicting and funny isn't it? Where are the humanity rules in this instance any mind blowing ideas? :D
@HighReed1 (1126)
• United States
3 Jun 07
The bombings were during a war. It is sad that it was a wedding.
Next thing you are going to tell me is that we shouldn't be using lethal force against our enemies while at the front!
If you remember, WE didn't start this. WE didn't hijack planes to crash into buildings. We were perfectly happy going about our lives.
@Bee1955 (3882)
• United States
3 Jun 07
It takes only common sense to know who is what and who was given special gifts to relieve a troubled and ignorant world. Whatever different spellings of then names below, try to remember that Good can an have Evil side to do its duties, and Evil sometimes balances its bad side with Good:
Allah, God, Jehovah, Elijah, Ivo, Mother Goddess, Mother Nature, Father Time, Holy Spirit, Most High, etc. = GOD (The Good Guy)
Satan, Devil, Beezabub, The Fire, Hell, Rejected One, The Serpant, etc, = Devil (The Bad Guy)
Jesus, Mohammed, Moses, Abriham, Issac, Ismail, John the Baptist, The Diciples of Jesus, John Smith, Brigham Young, etc. = Prophets
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@knakamitsu (33)
• Philippines
6 Jun 07
George.W Bush can be......but not Allah.
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@bigmacnc (142)
• United States
27 Jun 07
When I studied world religions at a Christian College, Allah was compared to the Hebrew name for most powerful God, Elohim. Elohim is a plural word and n singular tense for Elohim is known. This was used, In the beginning God (Elohim) created. Lucifer was thrown from heaven for refusing to serve man as directed by God. At the time Islam was developed, this group of people were rejected by Jews and Christians hungry for religion. Mohammad was a prophet who spoke what is written in the Koran that sounds like you are the Bible. Many modern people believe that Mohammad simply plagiarized the Bible, but Mohammad was illiterate.
@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
24 Aug 07
Most people were still illiterate at the time of Mohammad.
But I have a better one for you...
Everyone was illiterate 5000 years ago and paper had not yet been invented.
So when God was dictating the old testament (a large book I believe) to Moses and Abraham... how did they wrote it... and on what?
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
4 Jun 07
...you and your friend are completely right.. (xcept Jesus was perfect!:) even if christianity's message has lost some things, and picked up some baggage along the way, as opposed to our imperfection, which God Himself unleashed when he endowed free-will, or more exactly, thinking ability, to angel and man.. so God being responsible sent forth the rescue.. - Because God is Life itself, the life force, and he's Perfection, once ya move away from Perfection, you move away from Life! thus He sent the Son as the rescue [in the God Kingdom, there are only Two, and they are One in spirit].. and we trade with Jesus - his perfection, for our imperfection and fReely drawing close we slowly are transformed into his image.. Of course over 2000 years the message has lost some of its glory - like you seldom hear this: "God is the savior of ALL, especially those which believe" - 1 tim 4:10. AnD, "aLL things *in heaven and earth* will be gathered back into Him" Colossians?:?? And of course paradise will be restored, a very earthly and earthy reality!:)
- Great Post!
@KrazyKlingon (5005)
• United States
5 Jun 07
From my knowledge of the Abrahamic religions, they all pray to the same god. Yahweh was the name used for God that Abraham (I think a version of that name was Ibrahim.) worshipped by Hebrews. Of one of the faiths of Christianity, they use the name Jehovah, in which was actually taken from the original name. Then when Mohammad started Islam, the name that was used was Allah, another derivation of the original Abrahmic name of Yahweh. It does seem that The Ten Commandments happen to be the basic laws of all three.
Going to yet, another man who promoted peace & harmony, Kung Fu Se, it is not the man himself who is important, but his teachings of goodness, peace & harmony of ALL people. Even with whatever things Mohammad, maybe even King David, the first Pope of the Christan faith, Peter, or even Jesus himself (whether god or man), may have done wrong, it's not so much the men who are impoprtant, but what they taught.
REAL fundamentalists are not really the ones that cause most of the troubles. It's the fakers that call themselves fundamentalists that take these teachings, & twist the words of the teachings for their own self interests.
Anyway, the point I'm thinking is that it's not Allah himself that was Satan, but it was - maybe or maybe not not even Mohammad himself, or one of his followers, that may have actually influenced by Satan. After Mohammad, keep in mind that his followers ended up splitting into two main sects of Shiites & Sunnis.
All in all, While religious beliefs have started wars, it was not really a calling to war. It was really lunatics out for only their OWN glory & other selfish reasons using religion as an excuse.
@mari61960 (4893)
• United States
5 Jun 07
Well I'm not really sure I believe there is a Satan..but if there is you pegged it. I will never understand in this lifetime anyway, how someone can honestly believe the Koran is not evil, bad, wrong whatever. I think some of these muslims think that it's ok to follow parts of the religion and then they can say it's all peace and love....I'ts like some kind of brainwashing or something. There is no defense for them. It's wrong no matter how you look at it.
@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
25 Aug 07
It never ceases to amaze me how people can take an idea based upon reading and take it as a personal insult. Is there some reason that when someone makes a statement about mohammud(sp) people take it personally? No one is talking about your mother, for crying out loud. It's an idea. When John Lennon imagined there was no heaven "and no religion too" you would have thought that man had personally crucified jesus.
Thinking people think. They educate themselves and they learn what they can. If some of you cannot think for yourselves, don't blame those who can. I don't claim to be the smartest person in the world, but I don't embrace ignorance.
Why do you take it personally? Why do you not debate with facts of your own? Is it because you don't have any facts of your own?
@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
24 Aug 07
This is all very interesting... but it does not make you different from anyone else.
Just like everybody else... you are taking bits and pieces from a book to suit your purpose and make your point. If the book was not a fairytale... but hard facts... you would not be able to do that.
How can I believe your story when I don't believe in Satan?
For your information... the koran is a straight copy of the old testament... with a few changes made to it in order to unite the Arab people and incite them to go to war and conqueer new territories. As soon as Muhammed united his people... he conqueered the Middle East, North Africa and Europe. This was the real purpose of the koran.
Jesus also took a straight copy of the old testament, made a few changes and called it the new testament... which was the fondation of Christianity.
I am catholic... but from where I stand... if I did choose to believe in any religion... I would want to believe in the original one... which is the old testament.
@eden32 (3973)
• United States
25 Aug 07
I'm guessing your last discussion on this was deleted as I am certain I responded to that one.
There are many violent acts condoned in the Bible. Many instructions for committing violence. And many, many, many times throughout history that "Christians" set out to destroy & conquer in the name of God. Muslims are no more prone to violence than Christians; some of either religion are clearly bending the rules to suit their own agendas but the average practioner of the religion does not think that way.
Wiccans have very few "rules" about religion. It's pretty much left to each follower to follow their own path. But there are 2 concepts that come to mind that are as close to etched in stone as one will find within Wicca. Wiccans do not believe in Satan or any deity like him. If you are Wiccan starting this discussion just doesn't make sense. If there is no Satan, Allah can not be him. The other, much bigger "rule" in Wicca is that you "harm none, lest it come back to you threefold". Bearing false witness against others, (although the term is borrowed from the Bible) is still clearly harming others. I feel confident assuming you were never Muslim, I'd be willing to bet you know very few if any Muslims in r/t and to try to speak about another's spirituality without first hand knowledge of it is just not right.