Pro Life = ALL life?
By Ravenladyj
@Ravenladyj (22902)
United States
June 7, 2007 9:07am CST
Lets try this again shall we ;-) and I'll rephrase so there is NO CONFUSION as to what this thread is about....
Being Pro Choice DOES NOT necessarily mean being Pro Abortion first and foremost..lets get that out on the table right away...
When a person is Pro Life does that mean they are for ALL life? If so and for example, it becomes a necessary pick and choose situation meaning you can only save one (mother OR unborn) what do you do? Where exactly do Pro Lifers draw the line? or what rather are the "conditions" to a P.L's belief when it comes to Abortion in a situation like that?
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@GloomCookieLex (6073)
• United States
8 Jun 07
What I don't understand is why quantity always overrides quality. A woman who does not want to carry a pregnancy will have a greatly depleted quality of life if she is forced to do so. With all of the crap that goes along with the pregnancy itself as well as all of the permanent side effects, there is no way she will have the same life she had before. And what about the child's quality of life? Living with a woman it calls mother who never wanted it and will probably treat it as such? Or throwing it into an orphanage where it may or may not be adopted and even if it does, the family may or may not be a good home. That's too many uncertainties for my taste. Sure, you can say, "Suzie next door didn't want it, but we changed her mind and now she loves her baby" or "Jan gave it up for adoption and it's new parents are soo nice and really rich". I can almost gaurentee that for every one of those picture perfect sucess stories, there are a dozen other women who hurt themselves, hurt their babies, the baby never got adopted, or got adopted by nasty people, they were both miserable for the rest of their lives. From what I see, there are very few favourable outcomes for forcing a woman to carry a truly unwanted pregnancy.
And might I remind you that there *is* a difference between and unwanted pregnancy and unwanted parenthood.
I would like to know how many of you have seen the film The Cider House Rules? What do you think of that?
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@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
8 Jun 07
"I would like to know how many of you have seen the film The Cider House Rules? What do you think of that?"
omg yea I've seen it...what a totally moving movie! and for those of you who havent seen it, I recommend it because it really is a heartwrenching incredible flick..
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@GloomCookieLex (6073)
• United States
8 Jun 07
I honestly don't care what kinds of horrible or wonderful experiences anyone has had. If I were to go by just the people I've known, I'd probably have been knocked up years ago. However, there are far too many statistical risks that go along with something that I have no interest or desire in doing in the first place.
Yes, I am aware life is uncertain, however there's this nifty thing called educated avoidance. I bet my odds of getting hit by a car are greatly diminished when I'm indoors versus if I were to go play in traffic and that's pretty much how I look at it. The adverse possibilities far, far far outweigh the postive possibilities, which wouldn't come to fuition for decades anyway. I'm all for delayed gratification, but it is not worth it one little bit to me. I almost never do anything that doesn't have a higher then 50% odds of a positive outcome and pregnancy is simply not one of them.
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@CarlyLaine (759)
• United States
8 Jun 07
gloomcookie
It looks like you are taking this topic back to a couple of days ago and I think Raven, SwtROSE, transdisk etc, are pooped from that post. I know I don't want to go there.
Raven put out a great thread on this topic and I am respecting that. She threw out a hypothetical and if we stay on her idea, we all won't get lost in the anger of a few days ago.
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@cachitodemialma (1313)
• United States
7 Jun 07
I would think in cases like that it would be whatever the mothers choice was going into the hospital. Most hospitals now a days ask you should something like this come up what would you want us to do? If you aren't able to make that choice for you who do you want to be able to make it? And generally the mother would discuss those things with that person before going in.
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But I'm not 100% sure where Pro Life people stand on that issue. I AM pro choice. I don't feel anybody other than myself should have the right to decide whats good for me and my body. BUT I also have common sense and I know right from wrong and I don't use abortion as a form of birth control. It's a very touchy subject all around. These are just MY OPINIONS! :]
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@maildumpster (3815)
• United States
8 Jun 07
Good Lord are we going to go thru this again? Carly why can't you just stay away if you are just going to be vile and spit venom? Ugh.
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@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
8 Jun 07
Kitty and Mail - I was thinking the same thing...I have no time for sandbox bullshyt ya know...her best bet is to not even waste my time or hers for that matter cause I cant be bothered to play this silly game
*now back to our regularly scheduled program* ;-)
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@emeraldisle (13139)
• United States
8 Jun 07
Well I am pro-choice and for reasons like this. I think it has to be on a case by case situation and of course which the mother wants to do. Let's face it if you are talking about a woman who is terminally ill with cancer and that the chances are she's going to die either way then she might choose to have the baby and let herself be put at risk. The situation you mentioned with the mugging in the one post I could see the mother aborting so that way her two other children would not be left without any parent. Until we are in the situation I don't think any of us can really say what we'd do and I don't think we should judge others for the choices they make because of it.
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@CarlyLaine (759)
• United States
8 Jun 07
emeraldisle
In spite of the senario presented by Raven I am prolife. But there are EXTENUATING circumstances that disuades me from being an ABSOLUTE in a case like this.
I could not (as SWTROSE does) totally rely on an entity that may or may not be there for me. I am not saying that SWTROSE is wrong, it's so difficult for me, as a human, to give things over to 'something' out there. I would have to make that horrendous gut-wrenching choice solely on my own.
SWTROSE, you're a sweet girl and I am not disparaging your beliefs at all. You do understand, right?
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@emeraldisle (13139)
• United States
8 Jun 07
That's one of the reasons I'm pro-choice because of different situations. Who are we to judge what a woman should or shouldn't do unless we are in her exact same shoes. I'm not talking similar but exactly the same situation as her.
@shannon76 (1232)
• United States
8 Jun 07
I can't speak for any other P.L's out there but my stance would be to leave it up to God. He will be the one deciding which one goes first. After all, there is a 50/50 chance right? So you go about the procedure and pray for the Lord's will. I can't tell you who's life is more precious. I know I value both my life and my son's life. If it would have come down to his life or mine, I would have voted for his life. I know that from a medical stance, doctors would save the mother before they would save the child.
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@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
8 Jun 07
Well, when it comes down to it, most doctors will say, "the mother is my patient. therefore I will do everything I can to save her."
However, there are hospitals, I know of one in my area, that is a catholic hospital that chooses to save the baby over the mother. So, It is all in the choice of the person,
I can see where you are going with this, and I wonder, I am prolife, but I really dont believe in abortion, even to save the life of the mother, so in this case, I'd have to say, whoever God wants to make it will make it =)
Good topic though, Gives us something to think about !
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@Swtrose (3385)
• Canada
7 Jun 07
Raven in the example that you have given the woman’s physician would do everything they could to save both lives. In my opinion it is morally wrong to kill the baby to save the mother, just as it is morally wrong to kill the mother to save the baby.
@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
7 Jun 07
"woman’s physician would do everything they could to save both lives"
if that were possible then yes i agree but in this particular situation there is not way to save both.
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@emeraldisle (13139)
• United States
8 Jun 07
So if it's morally wrong to save either should you then let both die? That doesn't make any sense. If only one can be saved a choice should be made to save which ever one you can.
@ESKARENA1 (18261)
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8 Jun 07
im certainly pro choice, i feel it is up to the woman concerned what choice she makes. If or if not to have an abortion is a very personal decision, a decision that is up to the woman concerned and no one else, its about time the god botherers butted out
blessed be
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@maildumpster (3815)
• United States
8 Jun 07
I am just going to reply real quick and will come back to this later.
If the situation arose where I got pregnant again right now and it turned into one where carrying the baby would put me at risk of dying - I would probably terminate. This would be for the sake of my hubby and my 3 children.
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@aries_0325 (3060)
• Philippines
12 Jan 08
I am pro life and not a pro choice but I think not all pro choice is a pro abortion. Abortion is an absolutely wrong and it is a crime of murder. And absolutely I am not favor for this. And I think the fetus have life and like us she/he have a right to see this wonderful world.
@nancyrowina (3850)
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13 Jun 07
I've heard of pro life campaigners blowing up abortion clinics full of people killing everyone inside. That's probably one of the most illogical things I've ever heard, how can they be pro life if they would indiscriminately kill hundreds of people in a hospital?
If a woman would die carrying a child then of course she should be able to have an abortion. People shouldn't lay into women who've had abortions for any reasons as no woman takes the decision lightly and has to live with what's happened for the rest of their lives.
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