creationist musium in america???????
By ESKARENA1
@ESKARENA1 (18261)
June 10, 2007 2:54am CST
I have just seen a creationist musium in America, it goes against modern palientology, physics and biology but my problem with such blatent skullduggery is that it is giving not only a twisted nay perverted version of our past but even goes against much moderate chritian thinking.
It tells us the grand canyon is a result of Noha's flood and that many other biblical events took place in America. Also that children and dinosaurs lived side by side. Isnt this simply Americans setting up Flintstones land?
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
10 Jun 07
No, this is a desperate attempt to brainwash people into believing illogical creationist fallacies. They have no scientific basis for their "facts" - but they don't need it...they've got the Bible!
I grew up with some of those myths - I can still remember my father telling me that same old story about the Grand Canyon being created by Noah's flood. I grew out of that in elementary school, so it seems sad grown adults are still clinging to such old fashioned and easily disprovable stories.
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@ESKARENA1 (18261)
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10 Jun 07
i think thats what slightly annoyed me . Where America leads, England surely follows, I realy dont want to see Darwin,s book burnt in my country.
Blessed be
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@gardengrrl (1445)
• United States
10 Jun 07
No worries, Eskarena, turn on American tv any night of the week, and you'll find tons of shows that are based on those you have in the UK. We've been following y'all since we got over the Revolution, so it should be OK!
@derek_a (10874)
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10 Jun 07
I see it that the truth will always out and if a person has been drawn into creationist or any other belief system, then it is their karma and part of their learning process. I have been "into" many belief systems of the past and it is only when I started to examine the process of belief itself, that I started to gain an insight.
I see the truth as simply what is. What was, is subject to distortion, great or small. To resist a belief-system often has the effect of reinforcing it. So the resistance to creationism is likely to reinforce the beliefs of its adherents.
In Zen, I aspire to giving all religions the space to be as they are. This space allows it to transform. Some people have said to me that this is "dangerous thinking" and I give them the space to believe that also. As is said in Zen, all thinking is illusion, therefore the danger it presents is illusion also. The danger comes not from thinking, but from judgement - but a state of "no-mind" is pure, as it is transcendental.
We all have weird thoughts going on, how peaceful the world would be if we could just work on allowing these thoughts to exist without judgement or criticism and realise the dream-like state that they are. The moon is green cheese. Fine, I can accept another's reality of that if that's the way they see it. I would however, present an alternative and leave it with them. That seed would sprout sooner or later :-)
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@ESKARENA1 (18261)
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10 Jun 07
well, one certainly hopes the seed will sprout bot my time as a teacher does make me realise there is a lot of stony ground out there
blessed be
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
11 Jun 07
I remember reading about that a week or so ago.
I think they should start studying people's brains when they start thinking about religion, let's face it, we have intelligent people who have dismissed evolution in favor or creationism. We have people who in the name of God, kill and maim, they are terrorists.
We must find out what makes peoples brains go so awry that they become irrational.
And think about, they had worldwide travel/news during the time of Noah, based on this, I think we have to completely rewrite history books...when was the telegraph invented---what was it 452 BC? MAybe sooner!
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@Galena (9110)
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10 Jun 07
I saw that on TV this morning.
absolutely ridiculous.
all set out like a real museum, but just so poorly thought out.
the person they were talking to, was saying about the display with children and dinosaurs playing that "some were omnivores, some were herbivores. a lot of dinosaurs were very placid" and yet the display had the children playing happily alongside what looked like miniature tyrannosaurs. oh yes, very placid indeed.
so even if they really beleive, despite everything, that dinosaurs and people co-existed, they have thought it out really badly. which makes you wonder how well thought out their other ideas are.
it just shows how badly thought out their so called science is.
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@ESKARENA1 (18261)
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10 Jun 07
i have an ameture interest in all things hisorical and find it offensive that we mess about with the past in this way. Now i know each generation recreates the past in its own image, but i do think this takes it all too far.
Brightest blessings to you
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@leavert65 (1018)
• Puerto Rico
11 Jun 07
I think the idea of a creationist's museum is great! It's time people stop having the Darwinian ideology shoved down their throats! I don't think any of us know too much about the museum other than that it exist. I'd sure like to hear from someone who has actually been to the museum. Hopefully it exposes all the lies that we keep hearing in the media and elsewhere regarding origins.
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@AnnaB87 (761)
• United States
11 Jun 07
I would also like to visit this museum, my son that recently was killed he wanted to be able to go, he also wanted to visit Mt.St, Helens, which is a good place to visit from a creation perspective.
There is even a movie about Mt. Saint Helens and the Grand Canyon that is very enlightening.
Anyway, I am glad that I am not the only one here that believes the Darwin theory is based on lies, and false information.
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@AnnaB87 (761)
• United States
13 Jun 07
I will probably do that sometime, and let my kids listen to it, just not right now, right now I am keeping the kids away from the internet because there is too much on there right now about their brother who was killed.
But after things calm down maybe then would be a good time for them to listen to that.
I am hoping to purchase some of Jay L wile's books soon for science.
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@leavert65 (1018)
• Puerto Rico
13 Jun 07
Again, I'm sorry to hear that. Is that information on the Internet something you wouldn't mind sharing or do you prefer to keep that personal?
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@nielcdg (709)
• Philippines
10 Jun 07
Well these people are sort of false prophets I would say praying on the people who have weak faiths and need a confirmation of GOD's existence through physical mean even if it involves lying about it.
They have no proof so better we pitty them for their blantant disrespect of GOD and creation. Lying for GOD is still lying and even in the ten commanments it is said do not bare false witness. Let them dig their own graves right? And hope that the children wont be affected by their stupidity.
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@ESKARENA1 (18261)
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10 Jun 07
all good points. The big problem I can see however is that children are being effected and in a particularly nasty way. I believe past present and future are closely linked and to mess with an understanding of the past dierectly informs our perception of now. In this way, their lies are distorting our future
blessed be
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@albert2412 (1782)
• United States
10 Jun 07
With all due respect, many well educated scientists no longer believe in Darwin and evolution. The palientological record just does not support evolution. You find fossil remains of different creatures from different time eras comingled together in the geological strata. Also, there have been footprints of people and dinosaurs found together in Texas. Just because something is written down in a school textbook does not make it necessarily true. We are not descended from monkies and apes.
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@gardengrrl (1445)
• United States
11 Jun 07
Science isn't determined by hubris, either. You are completely welcome to continue to depend on a book that doesn't pass scrutiny as history OR science, I'm going with millions of pages of proven experiments and documented facts.
I am continually amazed at how ignorant people like you are. Why must you always, ALWAYS lower the discourse to insult immediately? Although I think you are deluded, I woudn't have insulted your intellect by calling you brainwashed. Since you opened the door, kindly bugger off, sir, and take your tiny-minded, bigoted nonsense back to your little clubhouse to share with your friends.
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@gardengrrl (1445)
• United States
10 Jun 07
With equal respect, a fringe follower who practices science for a living is still on the fringe. One should always check the sources supplying the "facts". The only ones supporting your contentions are very, very far from unbiased or reliable. Sorry if that sounds rude, I don't know how to say something like that in a way that doesn't. Don't mean to be, though, I just firmly disagree.
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@leavert65 (1018)
• Puerto Rico
10 Jun 07
Science is not determined by a show of hands.Can the majority of scientists be wrong about scientific matters? Of course they can. A good majority of scientists who passively accept the theory of evolution aren't necessarily the ones doing the research.
Historian and philosopher of science Thomas Kuhn in his [Structure of Scientific Revolutions], documented numerous reversals in science where views once confidently held by the scientific community ended up being discarded or displaced.
Do you think most of the people shaking their brainwashed heads at the idea of a creation museum really understand the science behind the ideology of evolution?
Of course they don't. They believe it because that's what they were told to believe and it fits comfortably in to their narrow world view.
Why then is the idea of a creation museum so upsetting to them? One reason only, It's challenges their belief system. It challenges what they have accepted by FAITH and what they so desperately want others to accept by faith.
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@AnnaB87 (761)
• United States
10 Jun 07
I think that if you will take time to really look into what the creationist are really saying you may be surprised.
Also as for what has been taught by the secular society about the origins of the earth nothing that they have said has been proven.
And it really takes MORE faith to believe in Darwins theory of creation that it does to believe in Biblical creation.
There is a book titled The Fall of Evolution, you may like this book if you have an opportunity to read it.
Also there are many scientists that are very well educated who believe the biblical creation account.
Just check into it and see what you think after reading the evidence for creation verses the evidence for evolution.
Just thought I would offer a different view point okay.
@gardengrrl (1445)
• United States
10 Jun 07
Hmmm... let's see, mountains of proven, documented, endlessly reproduceable scientific evidence that the planet is around 5 or 6 billion years old, or a book of fables, none of which was written concurrently with the events it describes? Sounds like a no-brainer to me!
@gardengrrl (1445)
• United States
11 Jun 07
Well, it was certainly sarcastic, it is a personal failing in me that I respond so to something that I find absurd.
Yes, I'm quite familiar with the Bible. I've been Bible-thumped by masters of the trade, and needed to refresh my Sunday school education in order to defend myself.
@leavert65 (1018)
• Puerto Rico
11 Jun 07
Hmmm... sounds like your ridiculing what this poster just said. Are you even familiar with the book she is talking about?
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