Who Thinks Baby LEASH's are BAD
@sweetcutiepie42 (180)
Australia
June 16, 2007 5:46am CST
I was looking in a baby shop today and my partner pointed the "HARNESS" (leash like thing) out to me saying that looks horrible. I said quiet loudly "That's disgusting!You should hold your childs hand or put them in a stroller!"
She turned and heard what i said she repled "Sometimes kids Dont want to hold your hand!" I shock my head.
If your child doesnt want to hold your hand and your about to walk accross the road,you grab there hand and you go,you shouldnt need a leash.
I think they look wrong,disgusting and terrible.What do you think?
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@Foxxee (3651)
• United States
16 Jun 07
Disgusting & Terrible?
That is a little harsh, don't you think? Do you even have kids?
You shouldn't call it disgusting or terrible unless you have the facts first.
The harness isn't a bad thing. Some parents like to use them when they visit the ZOO or another busy place like the ZOO. It's safe and it keeps the kids safe.
When your in a busy, crowed place, like the ZOO, I see nothing wrong with it. It's for safety reasons.
If your walking around the ZOO, your toddler isn't going to want to hold your hand the whole time and the harness gives them some kind of freedom and makes them feel like a big boy or girl. Plus they are safe!
Letting a child run around in a busy place is terrible. Using a harness for safety, isn't terrible.
The harness isn't just used for kids because they run off, it's for SAFETY!
You should really research things more before you go off the handle.
Also, the harness isn't suppose to be used for an older kid, it should be used for the smaller kids that are just learning to wonder off, when out in a busy place like the ZOO.
So don't be so quick to judge.
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@OhMyDayz (157)
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17 Jun 07
When a parent is secure in their love for their child and feels that using a harness is the best way to protect their child, this is what they only see.
When a parent is so up their own view on what is right or wrong for all children based entirely on how their own children behave, then they are not considerate towards other parents views and the decisions they make for their children's safety.
If parents really want to believe that a child wearing a harness is the same as a dog wearing a leash, then they really do not understand alot in the world. Maybe if my mum had named my brother Lassie I maybe could relate to this discussion, but thankfully my mum can tell the difference between a dog and a human and use the harness as a learning curve while he was discovering danger and language.
Its ashame not all mums are like Supernanny!!
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@sweetcutiepie42 (180)
• Australia
17 Jun 07
o wow u really anoy with the "Do you even have kids" talk. your kids were obviously restrained on a leash instead of you actually looking out for thm holding there hand teaching them not to run away etc. I do have kids..i do understand how hard it is to keep them safe..but i did and i still do it without restraining my child on a leash like a dog.
ITS DISGUSTING AND TERRIBLE THAT PARENTS PUT THERE CHILD ON A LEASH BECAUSE THEY CANT HANDLE THEM
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@Gemmygirl1 (2867)
• Australia
16 Jun 07
Do you even have kids?
Here's what i can tell you - i don't use a harness (a leash & harness are 2 different things by the way - the leash is the long cord & the harness is the part that goes around the body) & i never plan on using them but who are you to tell someone what to do with their kids.
You cant force a toddler to hold you hand & walk - why? My daughter has been walking since 8 months (so that's WAY off of toodler age) & at that age - they are still too young to understand WHY they need to hold you hand, they will fight & struggle - at that young age, they are only just beginning to learn things.
As for using a stroller, kids get bored in strollers, once they discover walking, they don't want to be forced in to sitting in a stroller being harnessed in there. They want to move around, check things out & have a little freedom.
I don't like harness's i think they remind people of walking the dog BUT parents who like to use them have every right to do so & you have no right to judge someone for doing it.
It gives the child freedom to walk alone & also allows the parent to have some control without forcing the kids to be held. As for your idea on 'If your child doesnt want to hold your hand and your about to walk accross the road,you grab there hand and you go,you shouldnt need a leash.'
What, You think it's ok to grab a child by the wrist (coz that's where you'd have to grab if they wont hold hands) & drag them across the road? I think you'd get more people commenting on that kind of parenting than using a harness - plus, unless you're dragging with a REALLY tight grip a kid could get out of that & run in to traffic.
Maybe from now on, even if you don't agree with something, you should keep your opinions to yourself - just coz you think something is wrong doesn't make it so - as ANY parent will tell you, all kids are different, everyone parents differently & if 1 parent chooses to use a harness to allow their child some freedom, doesn't mean you have to do the same or even agree with it. Parents just don't want to hear rude comments or thoughtless opinions from strangers who don't have kids. it's really no-one elses business but the parents.
I hope i didn't offend anyone but you cant make another parent feel bad for doing something just coz they choose to do things different to how you do or you would do.
@Gemmygirl1 (2867)
• Australia
16 Jun 07
I apologise for my post being so long winded but you don't honestly believe that toddlers are perfectly behaved do you? - especially when you're out in public? If you can have a heap of kids out on the street & control all of them without ANY help - then you're a super Mum coz no-one else can do it without a little help.
I've also noticed that no matter what anyone says you're gonna disagree anyway! Kinda seems a waste of time asking people for their opinions when you think what you're saying about the topic is right!
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@wmaharper (2316)
• United States
16 Jun 07
"but you cant make another parent feel bad for doing something just coz they choose to do things different to how you do or you would do."
I whole-heartedly agree.
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@wmaharper (2316)
• United States
16 Jun 07
Well, sometimes I think parents are too judgemental of other parents. Every child is different. Yes, you could problably MAKE your toddler hold your hand, but some of them prefer to have the freedom to walk. We have to tell our children NO every day, all day long, if they enjoy the freedom of walking, and you don't have any reason to restrain them more than what a harness would do, I don't see where the problem lies. I think it's silly to force them to hold your hand if they don't need to.. there will be plenty of times when a child does not have a choice, and must comply, when they are crossing a busy street, or at a train terminal, or wherever, and they must hold your hand, but when you are just walking around in a store, and they don't have to have their hand in yours, if it makes your life easier, I think you should be able to choose to use one if you like. It is hard enough being a parent, without everyone in the outside world second guessing every move you make. From the checkout cashier to the nosy neighbor, if you have a child, everyone is telling you what you do wrong, eventually it takes it's toll and you end up with insecure parents. Please don't contribute to that. If the mother was doing something harmful, I could see stepping in, but if she's doing something that you personally wouldn't do, it doesn't mean you should insult her. It's kind of rude. I'm sure you did not even intend for her to hear you, but maybe next time you should wait until she's out of ear shot to hear. By the way, I personally don't use them, I tried it once with my oldest, and he hated it. but we use the stroller and he holds our hand. He is beginning to get to that age of needing more freedom, and that will be interesting. (he's almost 3) our youngest is 9 months and is walking, and I don't know what we'll do with him yet. As it is VERY difficult to tell a nine month old why he has to hold your hand, and they are so young, that they don't earn harsh discipline yet, so we'll see. Also when they first start walking (which could be anywhere from 8-18 months) just throwing them in a stroller Is NOT an option. seriously, it's not because a lack of discipline on the parents part, but the child has just learned a new skill, and it's next to impossible to keep them happy in a stroller for at least 3-4 months after they learn how to walk. Anyways, if I offended you, I apologize, it was not my intent. Have a great day.
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@OhMyDayz (157)
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17 Jun 07
If you are walking a nine month old down the road then you have a very advanced child as most do not become steady on their feet until over a year old. If I saw a parent walking a baby this young without any safety measures I would definately question their parenting skills over those who used a harness.
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@Gemmygirl1 (2867)
• Australia
16 Jun 07
I'm in 100% agreeance with you :)
If something is happening that hurts a child it's ok to say something but if it's just something you don't agree with, then it's better just to not say anything to offend or insult his/her parenting techniques!
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@sweetcutiepie42 (180)
• Australia
17 Jun 07
ok..just a question..
If you were walking your dog say on a leash..
And you also have 3 year old who is with you on a harness.. and you were strolling down the street wouldnt you feel bad that your walking your child the same as the dog?
"its difficult to tell a nine month old to hold your hand" Ild find it harder to tell them why they are restrained on a harness..
You havent offened me..i just dont understand why parents choose the easiest way out..I THINK they should focus more on telling your kid about holding hands..showing your kid..holding your kids hand around the house..practising instead of choosing "o this will help..ill put them in a harness".
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@Married2aMarine (1273)
• United States
16 Jun 07
I do have a harness for my child and I've used it a few times when we've been to theme parks and county fairs. My reasons are 1) My child does not like to hold my hand and walk beside me. He likes to just run and take off without looking back. To risk not having my child go missing in the crowd, I use the harness. I can make him hold my hand or carry him but the entire time he will be screaming, crying and squirming to get down or run away. So, that defeats the purpose of having him enjoying himself in the park/fair, don't you think? 2) He doesn't like staying in a stroller when we're in a theme park/fair. He will scream and cry but when he's in a harness, he can walk by himself, explore things and enjoy everything by himself with me keeping a close eye on him. His little harness is shaped like a dog and he calls it his little "dog". When he's not in the harness, he likes to hug it and play with it. I've had many people come up to me at these places and ask me where I bought it from and that they think it's the best thing ever. My son is not traumatised by the use of the harness. I think he's more traumatised if I just make him hold my hand, grab him or spank him to keep him quiet because he refuses to stick by my side. Bear in mind, he's only two. At this age, they want to learn and explore. And this enables him to do that safely. I would rather be safe than sorry. I don't care what other people say or think. My child's safety is of utmost importance. The harness to me is just another means of keeping my child safe like using a car seat in the car. I don't see it as something dehumanizing or that I'm making my child look like a dog. I think it's ok that you don't like the idea. Not everything is a good idea to everyone but I don't think you have the right to judge the parents who do choose to use the harness.
@devilsangel (1817)
• United States
17 Jun 07
Well I think you are intitled to your opinion but until you have no right to judge someone for wanting to protect their child. I have used them and frankly they are needed. I have 2 children that are very close in age. I was a single parent for a long time and traveling wit two infants through a croweded airport is hard to do. so You want me to try and hold their hands carry all the bags and make sure nothing gets taken or lost all on my own. Ok and sure because I'm supermom. When you have two children that young in such a populated place and are trying to carry luggage and children it is imparitive to make sure their safe and protected. All it takes is a moment for you to turn your head and them to be gone. So before you sit and tell someone how wrong it is to want their children to be safe understand why they have it.
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@devilsangel (1817)
• United States
19 Jun 07
And you're a bloody twit. You sit and judge people for wanting to keep their children safe. Frankly you're disgusting to me. People like you are the reason this world is in such a rapid decline. Its sad that you've had a child. Because your backward thinking and biggoted ways will now be passed on to some innocent person.
@wiccania (3360)
• United States
17 Jun 07
My son doesn't like holding my hand all the time. I tried once as you suggest, to grab his hand, and held on so he couldn't run into the street. His response was to drop his weight and twist. His wrist popped in a very sickening way, and was swollen for a few days -- it was just twisted, but it wasn't a pleasant experience for either of us.
He's 5 years old and about 40 pounds. So carrying him all the time isn't an option.
I use one of those kid leashes. My son is Autistic, and likes pressure, so he loves the way it feels when I secure it snugly around his chest. As a matter of fact, if we're leaving the house for any reason he asks for it, because the pressure makes him feel comfortable in uncomfortable situations. I hold his hand as well. The leash is the backup in case he doesn't want to hold hands for a few minutes.
Not every kid needs one, but don't judge the people who do. It doesn't mean we love our kids less. It doesn't mean we're treating our kids like pets. It simply means that your method will not work with my child.
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@OhMyDayz (157)
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17 Jun 07
What you have done is the best thing for your child and by your response you show that you are a caring parent.
So many parents will rant about things that are not an issue with them and disagree without looking into why some parents use them.
What you are doing is being a responsible parent and there is no need to justfy your actions.
I congratulate you for putting your sons safety first instead of all the PC crap many parenets have to put up with now. This is not related at all to leashing a dog and many parents understand this and would not even make these comments.
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@jiffys_frog_woman (4050)
• United States
16 Jun 07
i used to think the same thing. but then i changed my mind. my daughter is to big for a stroller. she has adhd and i m over weight and cant chase even though i have lost 108 pounds i have problems with my knees to were i can not run after her so i was using the leash. she got smart and hid the leash we have not been able to find it and were i just had surgery on one knee last month daddy now takes her to her appoinments and stuff he never used the leash just me cause once she took off i could not catch her. so there are pro's and con's to using them
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@jiffys_frog_woman (4050)
• United States
17 Jun 07
thank you blackkatdreamer obvisly she needs to be in my shoes or someone else to understand why some of us use them
@blackkatdreamer (1461)
• Canada
17 Jun 07
What world are you living in... the woman already said the child will not hold her hand and she cannot chase after her... what choice does this lady have?
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@sweetcutiepie42 (180)
• Australia
17 Jun 07
In my opinion if your child hid it from you... does it tell you something? something like she hates it!Im sure if you wer persistant with her she would rather hold your hand.
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@magikrose (5429)
• United States
16 Jun 07
When you have a child that likes to take off and not give you a chance to grab there hand you will inderstand what the harness and "leash" is for. I am slightly disabled and cant run after my child if they decide to take off. I either have to bring my husband shopping with me which he normally dosnt like to do or put a harness and leash on my child to keep her safe.
They are made as extra security for children because they have tendancies to just take off and you wont have a chance or the time to grab them.
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@StrawberryKisses (2833)
• Canada
17 Jun 07
LOL I think this is so funny because I used to think the same thing until my son was born. I don't think you have kids or if you do you didn't have really stubborn kids. When my son started walking he wanted to go everywhere it didn't matter if he was holding my hand he had a mind of his own and if he wanted to go into the road without me he would throw a fit and literally lay on the sidewalk LOL So I decided to get a harness for him and you know what it helped 100% because he felt like he was free just for the simple fact that he wasn't holding my hand. It actually kept him off the road. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and if it isn't for you then it isn't but it prevented alot of headaches for me.
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@StrawberryKisses (2833)
• Canada
17 Jun 07
Personally I don't think anyone with kids that walks everywhere like I do would think this way. Most people that don't agree with them usually have cars and their kids never walk anywhere other then to the car or store from the car. Now don't get me wrong theres nothing wrong with people not wanting to use them But for those of that do use them we shouldn't be bashed for it. Don't call the kettle black unless you know for sure its been burned.
@meljessxena (2315)
• Australia
17 Jun 07
i wouldnt buy one for my children, but as everyone situation is different well cant say they shouldnt use one, as some kids, like a few i know at my work have autism and are really big kids, the parents cant possibly hold them, and they have got use to a harness.
but i think they do look a bit feral as well.
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@theproperator (2429)
• United States
16 Jun 07
I'm not a parent, but I can totally understand the need for a harness at times. They aren't meant to be used to drag a kid along, like a stubborn dog on a leash. They are designed to keep the child from running off and getting seperated from the parent (that's why the leash attaches on the back of the harness, if you were meant to drag the child, it would attach on the front so the kid would be forced to walk forward). Your still supposed to hold the kids hand when crossing the street and such, the harness it just for extra safety for those times when you aren't holding hands. Because, realistically, it is hard to hold a toddler's hand the entire time you are shopping or running errands, or at the airport, etc.
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@AmbiePam (92401)
• United States
17 Jun 07
I don't have children, and I'm personally not fond of them at all, but looking at it from a mother's perspective, sometimes kids throw embarrasing fits if you try to put them in the cart. They won't stay by you, so what is worse: a stolen child, or a leash on their hand? Also, if a mother has more than one child, I honestly don't blame them. I say all this, but it really does bother me when I see that. I guess I should try to be more understanding.
@tonixxx (358)
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16 Jun 07
I agree that if you have only one child you should be able tyo control them. However if you have one child in a stroller and one toddling i would have a leash, i would rather know that i have control of both thee stroller and the toddler. I would not want to put my child at risk for the sake of appearances.
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@teufelskind (813)
• United States
17 Jun 07
Foxxee I do know about kids I agree they are like leashes. I would never put a kid in one of them. Would you like to be put in one and draged around like a puppet on a string no neither do kids. I think they should be held like it was stated in the topic.
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@sweetcutiepie42 (180)
• Australia
16 Jun 07
I value your opinion but ild never buy them no matter how many kids i have,It's not the apperance that gets me but your child is on a lead..like you would your dog.
Children shouldnt need them,your their parent and as a parent you should be able to control them without a lead..
Thank you for posting
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@HighReed1 (1126)
• United States
16 Jun 07
Actually, I have used the harnesses before. I had a 4 yr old, a 2 year old and a baby in a stroller when we left to go overseas. My husband was already there so I had no help.
I had the oldest kids in the harness so I didn't lose them in one of the 3 airports we had to go through. I just didn't have enough hands to hold them, push a stroller, and balance a carseat on the stroller handlebars.
I never used them for goofy reasons like they didn't want to hold my hand. I feel they are useful sometimes.
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@koikoikoi (1246)
• United States
16 Jun 07
That does look sad and terrible. The sad thing is the kid doesn't know how sad it is and how terrible he looks. Are we not humans? He have two legs not four.
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@koikoikoi (1246)
• United States
16 Jun 07
So what's your point? It's around the body isn't it? It's being held by the one that picks up after it isn't it? Hu? Yea do some research on it, HONEY.
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@Foxxee (3651)
• United States
16 Jun 07
The harness isn't a leash. And the harness is to be used for toddlers, not dogs. Stop comparing a dog leash to the harness. They are used differently and they are two different things.
The harness is nothing like a leash. Do some research on it.
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@sweetcutiepie42 (180)
• Australia
17 Jun 07
thanks koikoikoi i agree with you miss foxee needs to do research.
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@Calais (10893)
• Australia
16 Jun 07
I have never liked them, if you want to put a leash on something, buy a dog..... I think that it is also a form of laziness, so that you dont have to run after the child or hold their hand.
Gee, exactly what you said about grabbing the childs hand. I mean who is the boss, the parent or the child.
I personally would much rather hold my childs hand or pick them up I wouldnt dare treat them like a dog on a lead. It is horrible and disgusting.
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@jiffythorn (282)
• United States
17 Jun 07
You are another who refuses to change.. even for the safety of a child.
You are looking at it as a dog item... It is a safety item, designed completely different than ones for a dog.
You do not think the regulators felt the same way when they seen this item for children. It had to have a few safety features built into it to protect the child it was being used on.
Compare them.. Closer.. and you will see.
Like seat belts, another item used for safety.
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@Foxxee (3651)
• United States
17 Jun 07
You got it backwards or something. How is it being lazy when a parent wants to use a harness when they are in a busy place like an airport or a place like the zoo?
Youger kids will refuse to hold your hand and yes, it is true that we are adults and we can take control, but if you are at the zoo and your little one wants to walk around, then yes, of course, the harness comes in handy. We are their to have fun and I think the harness works wonders in places like that. Why reuin the childs fun?
The harness really isn't suppose to be used for everyday use anyway. It's for safety reasons and if you are in a really busy place it's safe to use one for the younger kids.
So I guess if being lazy means being safe, then I guess half of the parents in the world are lazy.
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@sweetcutiepie42 (180)
• Australia
17 Jun 07
i agree,its a form of laziness.
Thanks for posting.
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@lillake (1630)
• United States
17 Jun 07
I agree! Leashes are for pets not children. You can hold your child, or buy a sling to carry your child in rather than putting a leash on them like an animal. I have seen some parents use them who don't even look at or talk to their kids. They just strap the leash on then and ignore them unless the child starts screaming. Of course maybe if they had taken the time to actually pay attention to their child it would not have had to scream so much.
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@wiccania (3360)
• United States
17 Jun 07
Have you ever tried carrying a 40 lb child who didn't want to be carried? It's impossible. I've even tried carrying him on my shoulders, which he loves, but if he doesn't want to be carried at all it can be a very dangerous situation.
I use a harness and "lease" combo with my son, and he loves it. Actually, he holds my hand more when it's being used than he does without it being used. I talk to him and pay attention to him while it's on. Most parents don't use it as an excuse to ignore their child. They use it to help keep their child safe.
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@sweetcutiepie42 (180)
• Australia
17 Jun 07
i agree lillake..
you can put your child in your pram stroller trolly..tech them to hold you hand just takes time.
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@vampoet (825)
• Singapore
17 Jun 07
Before I ignite another debate, let me just start off with this disclaimer; this is my opinion and mine alone. So don't try to think that I am trying to change anyone's mind about it. Baby leashes are BAD. Period. It is like you are treating them like dogs or something.
@natash121 (219)
• Australia
16 Jun 07
i agree kids are nt dogs and they shpould nt be on a leash. Teach them to walk nicely next to you. i think they are disgusting
@jiffythorn (282)
• United States
17 Jun 07
Wow, How narrow minded we really are.. Comparing one product to another, Thinking we can controll everything another human being does...
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@ShawnTG (26)
• Bahamas
16 Jun 07
Never liked these baby leashes, i mean, you put ANIMALS on leashes not people, i think if we parent the way we need to, then this would be a non issue. Too many times, we see in the malls, or shops these seens: "Bobby, come here now or you get a spanking" and Bobby continues to be out of control, already caused you money cause something got broken, and after warning number seven hundred twenty nine, Bobby still hasn't gotten that spanking. So we as parents need to parent, im not saying abuse the child but punish!
@jiffythorn (282)
• United States
17 Jun 07
Kids do not think before they do things. Has nothen to do with bad parenting.
You can't spank your child in public without someone calling 911 police, they are abusing that child..
Have you ever thought that is why allot of children don't get punished when they should.
Even children will call the police on you, if you spank them.. They are taught by the schools and counselors that no one can touch them...
I protect my pet, (That most who have treat like a child0, so why not protect the child....
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