Friends--How Well Do We Really Know Anyone?
@Perspectives (7131)
Canada
June 19, 2007 1:31pm CST
I have had some incidents with 'friends' these last few months that have given me reason to pause and reevaluate my relationship with them and wondered if anyone out there would like to comment on their experiencess. I find some people claim to be following some Religious Model for ethical behavior but do not walk their talk. When problems arise refuse to discuss things openly and go behind your back or try to find answers from mylot users. Another approach is a refusal to engage in respectful dialogue to resolve things. They either avoid clearing the air or carry on as if nothing has happened. From my perspective one cannot have a healthy relationship with an ability to be open, honest and trustworthy...any opinions on this?
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@curvychick77 (1084)
• United States
19 Jun 07
I agree, open, honest and trustworthy is the key to true friendship. Without it, there is no friendship. One has to realize that if they want friends, they have to be a friend. Friendship is a two way street, not a one way street.
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@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
19 Jun 07
Hi curvychick77,
Thank your for your prompt reply. Sounds like we are on the same page here. Friendships require us to show up in all ways and take responsibility for what we say and do. I like the way you think!
@dragonstar13 (1465)
• United States
23 Jun 07
Curvy, You've said it perfectly. I agree and can't add anything to what you've said, you've said it all.
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@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
24 Jun 07
Hi Again Dragonstar,
They say when two or more people join together and share similiar ideas the energy is square rooted. With three, and more agreeing that...in openness there is trust and in trust there is love...we are, hopefully creating a positive ripple effect and sending it out there.
Thanks creating some great 'vibes!'
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@avonrep1 (1862)
• United States
19 Jun 07
Open and honesty is a true quality in a friend. But I do have to say from being burned from a 14 year friendship, that you never really know anyone. I had a friend who ruined our friendship and them manipulated her way back into our lives. Long story that I may get into someday, but not right now. Long story short, even your closest friends can stab you in the back.
You have choices, when this happens. You can forgive and be understanding, or decide this person isn't worth the effort, or you could even seek revenge, which is really no way to go about it at all.
I guess when it all boils down I am the forgiving and understanding person, who don't hold grugdes agaist people for the most part, though If I could get away with it, I would hunt down child rapist and kill them all. That would be the only grudges I hold against anyone.
@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
22 Jun 07
Avonrep1
Your response is underscrores the reason I am glad you accepted my request to add you to my friends list. I have been reading the discussions you start and respond to and respect your view on things.
Your long story short scenario is so true. Your views resonate with mine about not holding on to grudges or seeking revenge. I handle my hurts and disappointments by staying present with how I am feeling in the moment, venting things out in a way that causes no harm to self or others...and then putting it under 'valuable life lesson catagory' then releasing the energetic attachment to it.
I live with the idea that people come into our lives for a 'reason...season...or a lifetime.' The friends that have shown their true value system have taught me some great lessons in discernment...and I needed to work on that area. So I do forgive it...why hold on garbage..better to dump it or recycle. However...your comments about child rapists and violation do resonate....that would certainly create changes of one kind or another.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
23 Oct 07
Once again, I should say that I love some most of the topics you choose for discussion-[there are some where I am totally unable to participate but this topic awakened memories and I am sharing them with you. Even with closest relatives I have found a similarity in the situation that you have mentioned--[[refusal to engage in respectful dialogue' and 'carrying on as if nothing has happened'']. Oh my dear friend, you seem to hold a mirror in front of me, and I wholeheartedly[I do not get a more fitting intense adjective to substitute'wholeheartedly' right now, because I feel this with all my being and I feel even such a description is not fully descriptive of what I feel] agree with your statement that unless there is openness, honesty and trustworthiness there cannot be a healthy relationship.
However, we have so many many acquaintances in this world and we cannot expect this in every relationship-say, not all neighbours can be good friends. That is why , I suppose we have this word 'acquaintance' as opposed to'friend'.
However, we do call everyone our friends but mentally we know within our hearts who our real friends are.
Hypocrisy is something I detest and I used to protest loudly even if a person was inconsistent in the most insignificant of things. But, over a period of time, this intense disappointment with friends has faded a bit, and I just decide to keep away or just maintain my distance.
I can relate only to like minded people and I keep away from others without getting too close.
But , another thing that I have learnt is just accept people with the awareness that each one is different and we cannot have any friends if we are to judge too harshly. Only thing that is needed is a proper assessment that will help put things in perspective [without cause for future disillusionment ,] and taking things thereon.
I have a feeling that you might have invested more in that relationship with your 'friends' and they would not have reciprocated with the same intensity.You would have learnt this a bit late. This may have been the cause for your final perspective. Am I right?
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@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
23 Oct 07
Hello Kalav..
Your interest in all my discussions is greatly appreciated. I value the fact that you care enough to go through the various pages and pull some up that did not have much life when I initially posted them. It would appear that the nature of these discussions needed a sharing circle of like minded thinkers like we have now.
Anyway, the topic of friendship has many layers to it...and like you one of the key ingredients has to be openness, accountability and trust for those I consider part of our inner circle.
Your parting comment and question about your sense that I invested more in some relationships than they were willing to reciprocate is absolutely true! During the last couple of years I realized that I had some spiritual lessons to learn about discernment and creating safe emotional boundaries rather than being open and trusting. I have come to accept that there are many we are not willing to 'handle their own stuff' and prefer to live in denial. Pushing beyond their comfort zones and asking for accountable, authentic communication only leads to further conflict.
So my approach now is to view my relationships with the metaphor of dropping a pebble in the pond. The ones who are willing to relate in openness, trust and love are those that I will be more candid with...and admittedly they are few and far between. Interpersonal relationships are graduated into varying 'ripples' and the ones with the least amount of authentic exchanges are those on the outer edges of the ripple.
This system allows me to remain in my observer mode until I feel they warrant my trust. Some of the markers for me are how congruent they are in walking their talk, the reliability factor, follow-up and follow through...doing what they say and doing what they say...handling conflicts in an honest, non-accusatory, self-responsible way. When I see that consistently over time I know there will be a chance for us to take the relationship to a deeper level. After that I try to live with the basic teaching Mom raised me with...to have a friend you need to be one.
Having opportunities to chat with you this way is immensely rewarding...and I value the connection we have formed in such a short time. You have truly become a great on-line gal pal!
Warmest regards,
Raia
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@I_LUV_U (2519)
• India
23 Oct 07
Hello Raia,
your assessment is quite right. If you agree with me, then we are good friends, or else no - that is what is happening in mylot. The reason can be, we just know each other through writings, we can't see each other face to face, we don't know each other's expressions. Something said in a friendly, funny way can be percieved as a more serious response and vice-versa. Not all of them here are articulate. So i think they just stay mum, rather than to comment on something expressed inarticulately.
About respectfully resolving things, there's no harming in discussing as long as both the users in conversation have respect for each other. When one of them turns disrespectful, the other has to end the conversation by quitting, that's what i feel.
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@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
23 Oct 07
Hi again...
Thanks for keeping this topic alive...and adding some great insights to the discussions. I agree with you that resolving differences can be done with both sides approach it in a non-accusatory way and a willingness to respect differences.
The challenge I have found in a lot of relationships is that it is often hard for people to establish safe emotional boundaries to be able to hold their ground while being able to hear the other person's position. Challenges arise when either party makes the discussion 'about them' rather than holding to the issue. Once things are viewed through a filter of personal attacks...it can make reconciliation challenging.
I have learned to 'get over myself' and rally try to listen to other people's perception and allow them that. I do not have to necessarily agree to their position...but trying to understand it can create harmony where there was only conflict before.
Good input...thanks..
Raia
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