Banned Members With High Ratings...
By kelly60
@kelly60 (4547)
United States
June 23, 2007 1:28pm CST
Some former members have been banned from myLot for abuse, and had their accounts frozen. The accounts are still showing as high ranking users in the "users by rating" list because their points were frozen at the level where they were when they were banned from the system. It bugs me that they have higher ratings than most of us despite the fact that they lost their accounts for abusing the site.
In some cases many of the remaining posts are obvious violations of the guidelines such as plagiarism, but these posts were never removed. For those who don't know that these members have been banned, these members look like they are setting a great example, yet if they look at the remaining posts and follow their example, they are likely to get banned too.
What do you think that myLot should do about these members? Should they remove the members completely? Should they leave their posts so that the responders don't lose their points, but remove the points from the banned accounts? Should they just remove the abusive posts and freeze the remaining posts, leaving the points? Or should they just freeze the entire account without checking the remaining posts to see if they have violated any guidelines? Please share your opinions.
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24 responses
@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
23 Jun 07
Wow! Kelly, I think you really brought up a very good point. I was thinking along this line recently too but you are more perceptive than me.
The thing is, when a member is banned, no one knows except the admin. The profile page will remain unchanged and there is no marking that a member is banned. (Though we can see if there is a recent login to prove that he is not banned. But it could be pure inactivity.)
While I feel that more should be done, I am also hesitant because I feel that some are banned wrongly. Right now, just looking at the discussions deleted, we can already feel wronged. Sometimes we have discussions removed when we feel that we have not violated any guidelines.
Likewise, in the case of accounts banned, I think some would be innocent victims too. And to make matters worse, there is no easy way to seek redress. It is likely that the messages sent to admin will not be replied too.
Kelly, I must confess to you that I am having the jitters. Every new day when I fire up my browser to www.mylot.com, I wonder if I can log in. It is as if I am gambling everyday not knowing when myLot will ban me - even though I know I did nothing wrong.
Look at what happened to you know who - someone who is recently banned. I cannot think of any reason why she was banned and I just saw another discussion by another high profile member speaking up on her behalf that all her discussions in the new account were deleted. I really have no idea... did she really do anything wrong or..?
Everyday, I fret if I will be the next. It is hard work here. When will I be "retrenched" without any compensation package?
I shudder to think, honestly.
@kelly60 (4547)
• United States
23 Jun 07
I understand what you are saying, and I honestly can see both sides. I hate to see innocent members hurt by having their banned accounts removed completely, but some of the ones I am talking about have been inactive for many months so I am pretty sure that they have been banned for quite a while.
Another thought that I had was to perhaps post some sort of notice on their profile page stating that they were banned or something rather than removing the page completely. On Epinions, where I also write, they put a "ticket" on a member's page to inform visitors that the member has violated the rules. The ticket remains on the page until the matter is cleared up.
If these members are not really banned, that is fine, but there are several members that I have seen who have been inactive for at least a month or two and have dozens of plagiarized reviews remaining in their profile. It looks to me like they were probably banned for plagiarism...
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@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
23 Jun 07
Right now, the profile pages are not removed or changed in any way. In fact, you can continue sending PMs to banned members though I doubt they received them.
Have you tried reporting the individual posts regarding plagiarism?
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@byfaithonly (10698)
• United States
24 Jun 07
Wizard you bring up a good point also - there do seem to be people getting banned for no explainable reason. LOL I also have been concerned about it but how I've dealt with it is I just don't post many discussions these days.
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@2wicelot (2945)
•
24 Jun 07
Mylot banned many people without actually explaining why they did it. They just blocked there accounts and prevented them from being able to log on using their accounts. Yet, they left the discussions here. In other words, they just prevent them from participating using their accounts but then keep the discussions so it keeps getting responses and then generating revenue which does not go them by to mylot. There account remaining here to adds to the total number of mylot population so people would thing their are more than 90,000 members when in actual sense there are far less members than that. This is not fair at all. I think if they ban people, then they should remove all traces of there accounts from the site.
@kelly60 (4547)
• United States
24 Jun 07
I would hate to see all of the valid discussions removed, only because it would take the points away from innocent members, but yes, I think that they should remove the members from the site and stop showing that these are high profile members when they aren't even allowed to participate on the site anymore. I wonder how many of the 98,006 members are actually even members here.
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@kelly60 (4547)
• United States
25 Jun 07
It has to be a fictitious figure if they are including all of the banned accounts in this number. I couldn't tell you just how many banned accounts are still here, but I know of a few from previous discussions I have read, plus there is talk of several accounts that have been banned recently.
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@soumodeep (944)
• India
24 Jun 07
I don't have much idea about who got banned. But i think that they shouldn't be shown in the rating list. they should be shown in a separate banned list. it should be done.
but i am still curious to know about who got banned.
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@kelly60 (4547)
• United States
25 Jun 07
This discussion wasn't posted about recently banned members particularly, since I didn't even know about them at the time of my post, but about all banned members in general. I read that there have been several members banned, and am also curious who all has been banned. The fourth response names one member, but this is the only one that I know of so far.
@easy888 (10405)
• Australia
24 Jun 07
Hello,kelly,it seems that there have been many members being banned recently,i have just checked the user by rating page and i am thinking some of the top rating users might also have been banned as well.
Firstly,i think mylot should let them know the reason behind the ban,secondly,if someone is banned,only the posts which have violated the rules should be deleted,mylot should also check other discussions to see whether they have followed the rules or not,if they do,there are no reasons for mylot to remove them.
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@kelly60 (4547)
• United States
25 Jun 07
I agree completely that myLot should let members know why they have been banned. I know there has been a lot of talk about this, and I don't know why myLot won't tell members why they are doing it. I also agree that legitimate discussions don't need to be removed, just those that violate the guidelines.
@gardengrrl (1445)
• United States
24 Jun 07
This is pretty upsetting, as there seems to be an increase in people being banned lately. Discussions from banned users should definitely be locked, but not removed. MyLot got it's revenue-generating opportunity when the posts were written, no reason to penalise the innocent users who responded there.
I have recently received the ability to copy and paste, but I doubt I'll use it, except as an editing tool for my own writing. It just doesn't seem safe to do otherwise. I wonder if myLot tracks a user's copy & paste frequency, along with its other user stats? I wonder if there's a certain threshold, by file size or something, if you copy and paste more than this amount or something bigger than xx number of bytes, or something like that, your account gets red-flagged for review? Does anyone know about this?
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@kelly60 (4547)
• United States
25 Jun 07
I agree that they should not remove the legitimate discussions, only the ones that violate the guidelines. They could monitor the copy and paste stats I suppose, but if they did, it seems that even more users would be banned. Personally, I copy and paste a lot because I use word to do my spell check, and then paste my text back into myLot. I suppose that maybe I should not do this or risk the possibility of being banned if they do use some method like this. This is an interesting thought.
@sandwedge (1339)
• Malaysia
24 Jun 07
i say, remove the post, then take away thier earnings, then lastly add their name to a Hall of Shame.
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@KrauseHome (36448)
• United States
24 Jun 07
Personally, in my Opinion, in a way, it would be interesting to see who some of these users are and have their accounts not be able to be responded to even if they have been banned. And they should NO longer be shown as a Top user even if this is the case. These are some of the people who maybe there for a while even were some of the high money earners to now make this site not pay as well either.
In reality, I am not sure there is a real reason for them still showing... But blocking people from being able to respond to them and have them no longer being listed as Top user could definately be a start. Maybe this is something myLot needs to consider and help us out here a little.
@pendragon (3349)
• United States
24 Jun 07
Psycho's can be very popular people, which makes them think of themselves as more dangerous and liberated when in fact it makes them more agitating and isolated, truly.I don't care to look at their residuals, but still wouldnt want anyone else to loose points because of it.
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@kelly60 (4547)
• United States
24 Jun 07
I agree, I don't want any innocent members to be hurt by this, but it makes no sense to see a banned member with several thousand points. I think that at the very least they should remove them from the top users list and mark their page so that anyone who visits the page knows that they have been banned. If they ban this member because of repeatedly violating the guidelines, they should also go through the remaining posts this member has made and see if the remaining posts also violate the guidelines. If so, the remaining posts should also be removed. In a couple of cases I even saw members who had no posts remaining, but still had points on their profile pages!
@venshida (4836)
• United States
24 Jun 07
If they banned the members, I think they should just remove the abusive post and freeze the remaining post. Members who respond should still receive credit. It's not there fault that someone get banned so they should not lose their funds.
@raijin (10345)
• Philippines
24 Jun 07
The only solution I see on this is, report those of which you think violates the guidelines. I cannot say that those banned do make quality postings too, but it seems that mylot is already implementing strict rules.
I remember one time about a certain user who was very famous here back then, who suddenly disapperead. Took about a couple of months before we all found out that the user was a CHEATER, all of his posts got deleted with more than a thousand and there was a major deletion in our number of posts. The best thing to do is, PM mylot about this matter..
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@kelly60 (4547)
• United States
24 Jun 07
MyLot knows about the members that I am referring to and has frozen their accounts, but has not removed them. This is where my question comes in... If these members are no longer able to access the site, and still have abusuive posts (at least some of these have been reported to myLot), but they still have more points than you and me and are still high on the list of users by ratings. In some cases, they have not deleted the posts, despite the fact that many were obvious plagiarism.
@villageanne (8553)
• United States
24 Jun 07
I had not heard that any members were banned. If they were breaking the rules, were warned and continued to break them, I think they should be banned. I have seen some people who copy and paste the article as their comment. I have seen people post a single sentance or two as an article and I dont usually reply to those articles. I dont know what the solution is but hopefully mylot staff will figure it all out.
@kelly60 (4547)
• United States
24 Jun 07
I feel the same way. I have seen some members talk of users being banned without warning or without cause, and I know nothing about that, but those who continuously break the rules despite the warnings are asking for whatever they get. I hope that myLot will do something about this.
@byfaithonly (10698)
• United States
24 Jun 07
I think if the discussions are violating mylot rules then they should be deleted, points lost or not, they shouldn't be left for others to view and certainly shouldn't be showing as counting towards a member's points that has been banned - it makes no since to leave bad discussions in the system.
@kelly60 (4547)
• United States
24 Jun 07
I agree, all discussions that violate the guidelines should be deleted. As for the posts that don't violate the guidelines, I wouldn't want to see innocent members get hurt by these discussions being removed. I don't think that the members who have been banned for violating the guidelines should remain listed among the high ranking users on the site though.
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@psyche49f (2502)
• Philippines
24 Jun 07
I am really confused what 'abuse' these members have done to deserve to be banned temporarily or completely. It's a pity that those who responded to their discussions will also suffer the same fate. I suggest that mylot should not penalize innocent mylotters and they should still receive points for responding to banned discussions. On the other hand, I would like to know the reason for such a move, and if the move is justified. I guess since this is in the guideline, mylotters should really follow them, I mean the guidelines. I am relatively new here, so I hope I don't violate any provisions here because I don't intend to be penalized...
@kelly60 (4547)
• United States
24 Jun 07
Following the guidelines is the best way not to get banned. Some members have been banned for plagiarism, some for posting many one line discussions, poll or survey discussions, referral links, etc. You can just look through the guidelines to get an idea of some of the things not to do. Remember to take any warnings that myLot may give you seriously, and hopefully you will be fine.
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@Sir_bobby88 (8231)
• Singapore
24 Jun 07
Wow this is some great inside information you got here in mylot yea , prehaps mylot could actually publish the list of members that got banned for violating the guidelines and their ip address yea ....
@Willowlady (10658)
• United States
24 Jun 07
Any procedure should be done with great care. Not right to ban folks that have been good all along. There should be a standard that is applied just like the daily one that is used to keep us on our toes. A reason should be given for the banning. Legitimate and by management and not the invisible moderators. If really banned then their account should be removed from records. All moneys should be paid as is only right. I know they don't do that and warn that they will keep it. I don't agree. They take our numbers for other things so do it here also. The site should only list the currenly active members. That is the best way for showcasing this as an active site. Will look and see what others have to say!
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@kelly60 (4547)
• United States
25 Jun 07
I agree, they should be cautious about this. The management should be the only ones who can actually ban members. The moderators could give the management a list of members that they felt should be banned, along with their reasons, but not actually ban the members. It should be left to the management to decide whether the member would be banned, and then let the members know why they were banned. They should definitely remove all of the discussions that violate the guidelines, and if they were to remove any legitimate discussions, they should still pay members for legitimate responses.
@webeishere (36313)
• United States
27 Jun 07
I feel any member wose account was deleted should be removed totally from the list and the population stats as well. I was banned awhile back then reinstated. I started a new account just for the purpose to see what had happened to the original. Well that new accouint is still there even though mylot deleted it. Get rid of deleted members accounts and accounts that have been inactive for 3 months or longer I say.
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@kelly60 (4547)
• United States
30 Jun 07
I agree completely, if the members aren't here, myLot should get rid of the banned accounts. At the very least, they should get rid of the discussions that violate the guidelines. Everyone may lose a few points along the way for deleted accounts, but those of us who have gotten where we are honestly have nothing to worry about.
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
24 Jun 07
Why does users having higher ratings than you bug you??? It does not affect your earnings or anything else I can think of, except perhaps egotism. The number of points or star ratings (reputation) of other members does not influence how I feel about my friends or myLot. I personally think too much importance is being given to users numbers. It is not a competition, you dont win a price for being the "highest" in anything. I dont even check to see who are the highest users what is the point? All I care about is how I feel about myself and my integrity here at myLot. I have never cheated or been guilty of plagiarism. So as long as I know I follow the guidelines I feel just fine but I dont waste hours of time that should be a fun time policing to see if I can "catch" anyone cheating. Of course if I come across anyone flagrantly cheating or abusing the guideline I will report them but I will not go looking for them. I dont see what satisfaction you can get from that.
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
25 Jun 07
What an interesting comment. I don't know who this person is. I have not mentioned her. I saw the name "becuttieusa" but she was never on my friends list. I am not aware of having answered any of her postings so what is your point? If your comment is to try and make a point then I am sorry I dont get it.
@devilsangel (1817)
• United States
25 Jun 07
Ok by all accounts I am considered a new user and I don't even care about a users rating. I don't see them as someone to look up to and I doubt anyone else does either. To me it just means 1. they have to much time on their hands and spend to much time on this site. 2. they have been here for a long time and have earned their number. 3. they cheated and got their numbers up. Either way it doesn't make much difference to me. I agree with heather, when she asked why does it really bother you so much. It sounds like you're a bit jealous because they got a high number from cheating and you don't have a number that high yet.
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@foxyfire33 (10005)
• United States
23 Jun 07
I've wondered many of the same things. You and lordwarwizard brought up many good points already so I won't repeat what has already been said. I do want to say that it would be nice if we could be a little more informed of another users status here, perhaps by "marking" their profile like you mentioned.
Here's the thing that gets me though. Many times "users by ranking" seems to be confused to mean that those with a higher ranking are the top users. Really though, it is just the number of posts. Anyone can post a lot but it doesn't mean they're any good. I'd like to see users ranked by reputation instead. I think that would be a better way to actually show what users to learn from. I also think that banned members should be removed from those lists if nothing else because it doesn't seem fair to have banned members "higher" than members that are still here doing the right thing.
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@kelly60 (4547)
• United States
24 Jun 07
I agree, when I look at that list and see members that I know have been banned from the site for violating the rules, and they are higher on the list than we are, it really irritates me. I think that is a good idea, to remove them from the top users list or make the list another way. Anyone can post thousands of posts if they want. It does not mean that any of them are worthwhile. Despite the fact that myLot has told us that we should post quality rather than quantity, this list promotes exactly the opposite.
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@abroji (3247)
• India
28 Jun 07
It would have been better if mylot intimated the banned members the specific reason for such ban. Also they could periodically publish a list of banned members with reasons therefor. The accounts and profile pages of those members banned should be removed from the database. Especially from the list of top ranked users. Now the users are at dark as to many of their friends. No way to understand if they are still there with the site.
Thank you for the discussion.
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@kelly60 (4547)
• United States
30 Jun 07
I agree, I'm sure that there are many of us who would like to know who has been banned from the site and why. I certainly don't think that these banned members should be listed as top ranked users, and their discussions that violate the guidelines should definitely should be removed.
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