What religion is worth for!!!
By matrixx
@matrixx (254)
June 25, 2007 10:40am CST
I see a lot of people abusing religion!!or is it the other way round!, religion abusing the people!!lol?
Do you think religion is necessary to survive or to live a life? Does it help us earn? does it help us being better? If so, can't non-religious people be good?
Isn't science a wonderful thing? a more reliable than anything else?
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
25 Jun 07
I think that religion has different effects on different people, and therefore can't be judged as if it were all one thing. There are some people for whom religion makes a lot of difference in their lives, helping them to get through hardships or be better people. For those people, while science has it's uses and meanings, it can't replace their faith.
I do believe that non-religious people can be just as good as religious people, and that religion isn't for everyone. I also believe that while I have my own religion, even my religion isn't right for everyone. I don't feel that anyone should have someone else's faith forced on them, or feel as if being non-religious or of a non-mainstream religion makes them bad.
In my own situation, I can honestly say there was a point at which without a particular deity I follow, I would not have made it through a hardship in my life. If that makes me weaker or less intelligent than someone else who could have, then I guess that's just the way I am. =P
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@matrixx (254)
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26 Jun 07
I think that religion is a crutch!! that weak people need to hold onto for comfort and stronger ones need as a stick to control masses.lol!
I am pissed off when some religiose tell me that the religion makes someone a better human.lol. how come!!! There are ahteists who are far better a person as human than the religious bigots...oh la la! my star drowning even though I don't have one. haha! no problem, let me balance. He he!! There are athesits too who suffer from their bigotry. Happy people!!!but seriously I believe there are:-) people are people, they should be treated as people. a good person is good and bad is bad whether or not he/she/it/they belong to a race, religion, culture.
In your case, less intelligent!!..hmmm...I don't think so, weaker...perhaps..no..probably. I love and accept the people the way they are but it doesn't stop me to make them realize that they are stronger, that they can take charge, that they need not any deity or deities to take care of them that they have much more potential than they think they have and than they imagine they have. you could have survived even without having any deity to take care of you.
O.oo!!got long! but okay, it was my turn. now your..lol! nice to meet you lecanis
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
27 Jun 07
I think the major problem I have with your response here is that you are equating all religious people with intolerance, which isn't necessarily the case. I might be a very religious person, but I have never in my life told anyone else they are worse than me for not being my religion, nor have I ever converted or felt the need to convert someone. My relationship to my deities is a personal thing, just like a relationship to a friend or loved on, not something I try to sell to others.
I can understand many of the negative ideas you have of organized, dogmatic, proseletyzing religions, and I feel the same way about them. I've suffered from religious bigotry my entire life actually, because my beliefs are not popular or mainstream. I think it's completely ridiculous for anyone to try to force their beliefs upon others, or claim that only people with those beliefs can be good people. I know awesomely good people from many religions, as well as ones with no religion at all.
As for surviving without a deity to take care of me, it's just possible that I could have. However, it's also possible that I could survive my current life without my husband and son, but since I love them, I'd rather keep them around. Does that make sense? =p
Nice to meet you too!
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@matrixx (254)
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28 Jun 07
Hi there!:)
lecanis! I have difficulty finding my words where I equate all religious people with intolerance!! can you help?lol! In fact I never said that, I am sure I said, "some" "religiose", then I said that there are atheists who are better humans than the religious "bigots". I don't know why you took the impression that I equate being religious to intolerance!! There are many religious people that I admire rather adore.
The difference between your husband and son and a deity is that you don't put your material loved ones to the status of a deity. In the sense of love, every person can be a deity based on the beauty of his/her action and on what he/she is. My gf would be a goddess!!lol! oh yes she is!!why have some ET!?
@kamran12 (5526)
• Pakistan
27 Jun 07
Hello, matrixx!:-)
I think you said that you will not bring religion on here to discuss. Well, it okay if you do. I'll shortly answer your questions.
I don't think religion is necessary to survive or to live, otherwise you will not be posting this discussion, I mean you are surviving without it:-) Religion may or may not help to earn. There is a whole lot of industries related to religion, rituals, customs and likes. I hope you understand what I am saying here. Apart from being profession for some, it seriously help people earn indirectly. What about all the religious stuff related to ceremonies, events that is manufactured, transported, sold etc. There is a considerable economic factor in religion, at least from economy point of view.
Does it help us being better? yes and no! It depends on individual. There are people who were criminals and got straighten up when they took religion seriously and there are people who took up religion and became worse than what they were before. So, one can't pool them together. It's something individual. besides, All religions teach things that are normally good, even atheists consider them to e good like in ethics, morality, manners and behavior. If some religious person doesn't practice those things, it isn't religion's fault. Then again you will find both good and bad people every where. I believe atheists have had and do have their fair share in that too. It surprises me how atheists always mention devastation brought about by religion but forget to mention the devastation caused by non-religious reasons. I think you know the history of war and if you do know than, you must be knowing that destruction brought about by non-religious reasons is much more than for religious reason. I am talking in terms of statistics.
I do believe that non-religious people can be as good as religious ones or even in some cases better than religious people. I have already said that this division exists in everything where humans are involved.
Science is really a wonderful thing as well as reliable, but again, science too can be misused and in fact it has been misused fairly enough. When talking about reliability, how much do you think that we know objective realities? if you blame religions to create and propagate subjective matters then how far non-religious people are from it? and then how much science is able to define humans? I believe that science can't even come close to even describe a human being, it's feelings and things related to them. like how do you scientifically define "love", does it really exist scientifically? NO. then do you believe in it if it doesn't exist scientifically? as there is no empirical evidence for existence of love. There are many countless things that can't be defined or explained scientifically yet we all believe in them, even the atheists.
Well this was my little take on and I am sorry it got long and I am sorry if there are linguistic faults.
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@kamran12 (5526)
• Pakistan
28 Jun 07
I am in here, matrixx:-)
The problem is that majority of people see other people by labels, whether or not they qualify for the label, and not by themselves. That's what is the same about Hitler. When did Jesus asked to hate Jews? or even kill them!? Jesus' message is, "Love thy enemy". So when Hitler is hating enemy or killing them based on religion (if it was really based on religion, which I don't believe) then he surely was defying Jesus, "The Christ" and was not following Him. Based on this, I don't consider anybody as chrisitan when he/she/them is hating. It is unwise to label a person with something, he/she is going against. Same is the case with muslims. While their text does say to defend against enemy it doesn't say to do many things that some muslims are doing where they are going against the teachings. Then again I told you that as long as Hitler was practicing christianity, he opposed hating Jews and only when he left practicing it, he turned against jews which was actually based on political reasons and not on religious reasons. He tried to invoke religious sentiments when he said that I'll finish the work of Jesus. He was surely not following Jesus. Then, what is generally termed as religious war was not based on religion but mostly politics and nationalistic agendas. WWI, WWII, 1st and 2nd sino japanese wars, afghan war, kashmir issue all are non religious wars and conflicts. History is replete with such examples which are sometimes told as religious wars but were not actually religious.
About Atheism being or not a religion, I wrote an article, you might be interested to have a look:
http://www.helium.com/tm/346031/controversial-topic-whole-controversy
There is much beyond matter and simple energy, matrixx. I haven't seen deity and If I see some, I won't believe in it because I believe that what is confined in sight can't be a deity. Science will progress and I have high hopes for it but it will never go out of realm of physical observable frame which is not sufficient to grasp the reality, in my humble opinion. And, by the way, it was science which brought me close to religion. You might have read my story and if not read it here:-)
http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1060450.aspx (#5)
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@matrixx (254)
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3 Jul 07
lol! you are right that we treat others with labels:) but there isn't out of context totally! what do you think?
I respect your opinion about religious and other wars but I disagree of course. Many wars are fought in the name of religion! are they not? I read you article, it was interesting but a little confusing in conclusion. I understood what you said but people will have to concentrate to understand, anyways it was good.lol!
I respect but disagree about any divine intervention in human life! haha!
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@LittleMel (8742)
• Canada
27 Jun 07
I guess if you live in a country that allows only one religion then it's the only way to earn a living. I have met non religious friends who are nice and understanding people, so I don't think being a loving human being means being religious. I was baptized Catholic and I won't convert into anything else, but right now I try not to be puritan since too much of one thing is never good.
Science seems more reliable becaue we can see the results, but it can also be abused in the wrong hand. It all depends on us, our intentions and how we do it.
@whyaskq (7523)
• Singapore
26 Jun 07
In my opinion, all religion are same. They aim to provide some mental "support" for anyone who took up the religion. All religions teach us to be good and responsible citizens. It is just people who misinterpret the teachings and go their way. People who are free thinkers do just as well without a religion.
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@sangram112 (103)
• India
26 Jun 07
Hello . I am a follower of the vedic religion ( hare krishna) (this has a fringe connection with Hinduism).
In the Iso upnishad it is mentioned that linke for the body fruits, grains etc is food, similarly for the soul religion is the food
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