Wind turbines - beatiful elegant structures or a blot on the landscape?
By john_essex
@john_essex (199)
June 30, 2007 6:05am CST
I think wind turbines are a fantastic example of modern design and technology. I've seen quite a few wind farms and I think they are very elegant and pleasant to look at. When you consider the environmental and comericial benefits as well it seems to me that they are a 'no brainer', yet some people still object to them. Given a choice I would much prefer a wind turbine to a nuclear power station any day, who in their right mind would want a nuclear power station in their back garden!
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@charmed_one (24)
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30 Jun 07
I agree - they are really beatifull and almost hypnotic to watch. We have a field of them near where my sister lives, in the summer on a nice day we go up there for picnics in the fields. I think in the feature people will see them in the same way as we do old windmills today.
As for nuclear power - I don't think they are worth the risk.
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@smacksman (6053)
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30 Jun 07
They are a great political gesture to appease 'green' voters. It is just a pity that they don't actually make much of a contribution to our power needs.
I read one report that if you take into account the amount of energy used to make them (the tons of steel, copper, carbon fibre, glass fibre, etc) and the power losses incurred in distributing the power from a mountain top or offshore sandbank to the Grid, it will take a UK wind turbine 137 years to pay back it's energy cost! By that time it is anticipated that it will be uneconomic to maintain it.
Also when the wind drops the turbine uses power from the Grid to keep the blades turning to overcome the huge inertia required to get them turning from a standstill.
An indipendent report of all the existing wind turbines in the UK showed that the best results were from wind farms in the Hebrides at 56% of theoretical output and the worst was 14% for one close to London.
It would take 2,000 wind turbines running at 100% output to produce the same amount of power as one nuclear power station.
I have had a nuclear power station in my 'back garden' for 27 years with no problems at all.
If you take ill informed emotion out of the argument there is no contest.
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@smacksman (6053)
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30 Jun 07
The only reason they are being built commercially in the UK is that they are massivly subsidised by the government who is buying the electricity they produce at an inflated cost.
I was thinking in terms of payback time in energy in/energy out terms.
I am waiting to see the first wind powered steel works.
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@john_essex (199)
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30 Jun 07
I'm not so sure about it being to appease green voters, most wind farms in the UK are privately run and are comericial operations.
The reports I've read say that the payback time is around 1 year on average. I've never heard of wind turbines needing power from the grid to get them started, they are self starting - I think you may have been misled on that one.
I do agree that we can never have all of our energy needs met by wind power alone and I also agree that nuclear is a better option than coal power. However, given a choice I would still go for the wind farm any day of the week.
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@charmed_one (24)
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30 Jun 07
I don't understand the technical side of it all, but even though I'm a 'greenie' I would not vote for someone just because they support wind power. There are plently of other things to consider, and I like to think I make an informed decision when I vote. One thing I like about places like mylot is that you get to see both sides of the arguement, once you have seen both sides you are much more likely to make an informed choice.
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@Zmugzy (773)
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2 Jul 07
I think they can be elegant. I think the designs can only get better and become more efficient. I know I'd much rather has a wind turbine in my back garden instead of a coal power station or a nuclear power station. And I'd rather put up with any irritating noise from turbines rather than having plutonium waste lodged in my bone cells or sulphates in my lungs.
@john_essex (199)
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2 Jul 07
I agree, a bit of noise pollution is far better than what comes out of coal power stations. I would even argue that they don't really make that much noise, I mean can you really hear them from inside a house?
@Inky261 (2520)
• Germany
30 Jun 07
Who wants a wind turbine in their back garden. These things are loud, awfully loud. One can not sleep at night and one can not hear one`s own voice with the rotorblades running. It is just like with airplanes. In my country there is turbines everywhere. All the wild animals run away from them. They cluster up the landscape. No, they are not beautiful, especially if one gets close to them.
The only advantage is: they are safer than an atomic power plant.
@charmed_one (24)
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30 Jun 07
maybe they are a different type to ones near us, they just make a gentle sort of 'whooshing' noise. If anything I think it would help me sleep, a bit like the noise of waves crashing on a beach.
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@mrkbrynt (159)
• Philippines
30 Jun 07
yeah man......
nuclear is very dangerous....and expensive....
i hope someone can teach me how to build a wind turbine.... i live in a coastal area.. so wind power is not a problem.... i wanted to have one... it is free electricity.. and no one will bill you for consuming......
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@john_essex (199)
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30 Jun 07
There are plently of websites around that give free plans to build your own wind turbine. If you have reasonable DIY skills you can produce your own. Take a look at this thread on a forum:
http://www.itsnoteasybeinggreen.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7186
This guy built a 2kw turbine from scrap parts, very impressive!
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@charmed_one (24)
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30 Jun 07
wow - this is really cool, I'd love to be able to build one but DIY isn't something I'm good at!
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@john_essex (199)
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30 Jun 07
I'm sure that in a few years time the price of the ready made turbines will come down so that they are more affordable, this will be great for those who can't make their own. The problem at the moment with the small turbines intended for home use is that the payback is about 10 years ( the same as PV solar power).
So even those who can't DIY will still be able to have a turbine.