Abortion

akongato- are you mental? First of all, I saw that you left the same response to S.Clam in another discussion. Second of all, where would you get the idea that I am bitter about my life? When I am alone, when I am with friends, when I am with my family, when I am sound asleep- I am quite content & happy with my life. Women who support choice are not bitter, vicious, 'baby killers'. We're (generally) compassionate, educated and responsible people who value actual lives, personal choice, and personal freedom.

And yet you are saying that it isn't wrong or barbaric for us tax payers who believe abortion to be both killing and a sin to be forced to help pay for it against our will because you and other groups believe your views should be imposed on us.

Eden32, why are you so bitter with your life?I'm so sure that you are not happy at all.Ask your self, when you are alone and but just alone...if you are really happy with your life. you're not. I pity you for such view in life...

I personally could never see the act of childbirth as a gift.

In much of the world it is quite legal to kill the unborn all the best urban

In most of the US early abortions are legal, and there is no need to justify or explain why you wish to end your pregnancy. Each state has specific laws & guidelines, some attempt to restrict them with parental consent laws, mandatory options counciling or mandatory waiting periods; but to the best of my knowledge only one state has banned them outright & that is still being challenged in court. I think carrying a pregnancy against your will could easily be considered "endangering" in almost any case. Depending on how badly you didn't want to be pregnant, the changes your body goes through, the side effects & whatever challenges arise in your life specifically because of the pregnancy could easily lead to degrees of depression. Or a woman may be so in denial or upset by it, that she's unwilling/unable to care for herself properly which in turn would carry serious risk for her & the child.

More important to whom? To many life of the unborn is of greater value than the inconvenience to the woman all the best urban

Being forced to gestate an entirely unwanted and unwelcome pregnancy is far more than a mere "inconveinece". I can't believe you would dare say to a statement concerning the well-being and welfare of a grown woman, "more important to whom". Chauvanistic much?

So you're saying that it is irresponsible of me to be fully aware that I will not care for a pregnancy, I will not care for a baby or child, I would probably go insane and repeatedly stab myself in the stomah during the pregnancy anyway? It's irresponsible of me or be fully aware that refuse to risk my mental and physical health and well-being for some clump of conception that I never wanted nor welcomed? It's irresponsible of me to be fully aware that I do not and probably never will want children? An unwanted pregnancy is far, far more than a mere "inconvienece", as you like to put it. And you still haven't answered my question. Why can an abortion not be a realized concequence of pregnancy? Why does it *have* to be childbirth?

Eden, your argument is the logical fallacy of false dichotomy. all the best urban

"Eden, your argument is the logical fallacy of false dichotomy." Urban, there wasn't an argument in that particular response of mine. There was a little sarcasm & a question. "Sins" are in my opinion up to God to determine & judge. There are many spiritual paths on this planet, each with their own understanding of how to live life correctly. Opinions about what is or isn't a sin or even if there is such a thing as a sin, are not universal. If you feel something is wrong, don't do it but you can not force another to follow your spiritual guidelines. My question was honestly asked, even if written with sarcasm. Can we agree that when life begins is debatable? That neither you nor I can "prove" our feelings? Let's say we can, we can agree to disagree on that point and move on to that if a woman is alive/human is NOT debatable. Do you (originally I was asking this of yammydudes) feel that it is better for society to return to the days before legalization (I seem to remember you're not from the US so Roe V Wade wouldn't apply) and that it is acceptable that women are harmed, maimed or killed by illegal terminations?

I didn't know God had joined MyLot. How do you know "it's totally a sin"? Why do you think you can speak for God or judge another? Is it better that women desperate not to be pregnant die or end up butchered by illegal abortions?

As for the religious thing, your god didn't make even one of those rules, Moses did as method of keeping his followers following him, not some other person. Besides, the originals weren't thou shall not, they were if thous followest me, thou wouldst not. Suggestion, not orders.

I do not know of any religion where humans get to decide what is & isn't a sin. My understanding is that pretty much all religions teach that it's God/Gods job to judge not man's. Further, it is legal here in the US.

Forcing women to undergo a pregnancy against her will isn't allowing that woman her dignity or showing much humanity to her.

"i can't really understand of what do you want to express" What I was saying is that forcing anyone to undergo such a life-altering event, is neither humane nor particularly respectful. People have the right to decide what happens in & to their bodies, anything short of that is basically slavery. If your religion & beliefs tell you that terminating a pregnancy is wrong, then don't do it. But understand that not everyone believes as you do & that doesn't make us heartless baby killers or any such nonsense. And imo the most special gift God has given us is free will.

hey eden! i can't really understand of what do you want to express.. sorry.. can you elaborate more about what you've said.. thanx!

Not everyone thinks children are gifts or angels. I know for a fact, if I ever got pregnant it would be a curse and a pox on my life. I could never have children. I can't stand children and the very idea of pregnancy makes me want to vomit.

I believe in God but I also believe that if a child is to be aborted their spirit leaves before that. It is a womans choice to decide if she is willing to carry a child or not. I have 3 boys and expecting my first girl!!! But none of my children were planned. If I could go back yes I would of waited. But sometimes BC just doesn't work...

Amen to that. LOL

I think that abortion should stay legal as it is now in the US. It is a womans right to choose. Just because some people do not agree with it does not make it a crime. To make abortion illegal would result in deaths because of illegal abortions and tons of unwanted children. Also, I am a single mom so to say abortion should only be a choice for married couples is bull too me.

If those poor, childless husbands and wives want children so badly, then they can adopt some of the hundreds of thousands of children already in the system. I'm not going to torture hyself or my husband just to risk my mental and physical health and well-being just to gestate some creature to cater to the age-specific and race-specific dications of some uptights brats.

The church, any church should have no say in what medical procedures are and aren't allowed to be preformed. They may instruct their parish however they see fit. Followers can accept or not accept their wishes- but the rest of us do not need other's religions forced on us.

As probably you already know from my response abouve I agree with Sacrificialclam. And then isn't it said that God forgives everything? Even the worst murderer? Then why not a girl who abort?