"disgust in religion" - i really don't believe this..

*nods* I can see what you are saying, but Christianity as it is standardly taught and practiced where I live does have a lot of focus on the ideas that he is talking about, so it didn't really catch my attention as being wrong. While I am interested in learning about many different religions, it is sometimes hard to separate how a religion is supposed to be and how it is taught, if that makes sense. I wasn't really trying to defend this user or say that what he is doing is proper, as I do not believe so myself. Essentially I put people like him who proselytize AGAINST religion in the same category of annoying as people who proselytize for specific religions. They're all just annoying people tryiing to force their own views down other people's throats, and I'd usually rather just avoid them unless they are doing something that actually threatens my own rights and freedoms. You make a good point in the difference between what he is saying socially and culturally vs. just in terms of religion. I hadn't really looked at it from that point of view.

Well, I could respect his own views and ideas, but he is not talking about this, he is banning supposed to be christian/muslim ideas that actually are not. In my christian teachings I have never heard about hell for thoose who don't follow christian faith, and rather I have been told we all are God thanks to Christ, so wheather we believe in this or not, we should conclude it is rather a self confidence boost and not a confidence alienation like he says. I mean, he is not talking about beliefs or opinions, but about social facts, and if you look at christians in society, they are surely proud and self confidence (most of the time more than they should).

Ok, you are right. I have been now all the mornig discussing with him and he seems to agree with Gnostic teachings with admiration for Old Egyptian Religion, what let me confused... why then saying than religions are stupid? lol...

Right.. As if..

I agree 100% with you Ciniful. Another way to look at this ... view what you don't like about this elderly man and learn from it. There are lessons to be learned from everything. This may be one of your lessons you need to learn from. And then refer back to Ciniful's post.

Yup.. I agree with you. My mistake to feel pissed about it.

Where is it? I don't find it!

I'm not sure if this is the exact discussion referred to, but here is one of the discussions the original poster here is upset over, from my best guess. The same user starts many along this vein, though I think perhaps calling him out in a seperate discussion breaks mylot rules, and will likely get the original poster of this thread in trouble. http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1171295.aspx

Thank you! It is strange that I put "Christianity and Islam" in the search engine and this didn't appear!

I've read a lot of discussions and articles about anti-Christ or anti-God.. But none of them really convinced me. It's faith that'll save us. And I have faith in my God.

I know what you mean this person really makes me mad too sometimes but I have found that the best thing to do is just stay away from his discussions. I think he startes them just to get our goat if you know what I mean.

Atheism is as much a religion as bald is a hair color. Since you're not likely to catch the analogy, I'll elaborate. Athiesm is the complete LACK of religion, religious affiliations or religious beliefs. Atheism means to lack a belief in god or gods. So if bald is not a hair color, because it's lacking hair to begin with .. then atheism is not a religion. "I contend we are both atheists. When you understand why you reject all other possible gods, you will then understand how I reject yours."

OK, so he's an atheist. He doesn't have to rant on and on about how stupid religious people are. I despise being called stupid because I believe in something and I have faith in my religion. Well - sorry - sometimes, I get carried away and react immediately whenever I feel offended.. I guess I should't have let him get to me, you know?

perhaps!

i completely agree with you. i mean religions are like guideposts, they have different beliefs and practices but they all basically tell us to worship our God, whoever our God may be. so i don't think it's proper to talk trash about others' religions. i don't think one should impose specific religions on others as well. thanks for the response.

I guess so.. That's why we'll never be united when people fight because of religion - unless we keep our mouth shut about what we think about other people's religion.

ate a word while typing. i meant "trouble starts when religion is mixed with society"

I don't think you are closed minded, I just think the title set your hair on end. I stumbled across one of his discussions a while ago and I found him very interesting. When you get into the meat of the discussion, you'll realize he isnt' necessarily referring to all people of religious conviction. Although, many people of religious conviction to get insulted. Good luck reading. Some of his discussions are like reading a college history book. The fun part is when people with the same knowledge level come back at him and the debate begins. The debate is generally civil but it makes me realize just how little I know. LOL

Thank you, cyntrow. You've made me realize something. I guess I'm just that close-minded. And it kind of hit me when you mentioned, "When he talks about religious people being brainwashed, it is only in reference to those who blindly follow what they are taught from birth without questioning." I think I'm going to read his discussions because you also mentioned, "He is a highly intelligent man with a strong background in history. He has read all of the holy books and has corralated those books with his historical knowledge." Might be worth a try, right? Thanks! :)

Thanks. I'll try reading his posts. It's pretty juicy reading debates, too. Especially when intelligent people like him who have a lot of research about religions are gathered around to debate!