What kind of Christians are these?
By Lindalinda
@Lindalinda (4111)
Canada
July 18, 2007 8:21am CST
A friend told me about a weird website called Christian Domestic Discipline. It is a community that advocates wife spanking. It is so perversely detailed that one suspects it is really S/M under the cloak of the bible and God. To my astonishment this site is run primarily by women who blog about the discipline they receive from their husbands. There is also the maintenance regime. These are punishments scheduled on regular intervals decided by the husband. It is for the purpose of maintaining a submissive mindset of the wife, correcting minor faults and to reinforce marital roles. The wife presents a Maintenance journal, a record of her behaviour to her husband prior to a scheduled maintenance spanking. Their boutique also featured "Heirloom Intimates" interesting pantaloons and a herbal lotion considered helpful in healing bruises, inflammation and pain.
And all along these people cite verses from the bible in their writings. They also say this type of life is mutually agreed upon by both husband an wife. I am not making this up. Have a look at their website. Check out the glossary and some of the blogs. www.christiandomesticdiscipline.com
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14 responses
@quatelmon (955)
• United States
18 Jul 07
I don't agree with this. HOWEVER, read the bible. Wives are supposed to be completely submissive to their husbands AND other men in general. You have to look at the context of WHEN the bible was written. That is how things were in those times, and that is how it still is in many many countries. So, while it stinks that these kinds of things go on, if you literally read the bible, that is the way things are "supposed" to be.
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@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
18 Jul 07
There are many interpretations of the bible. Also the bible was written in the social context of the time. Women in those days did not have to raise their families alone and provide for them. There are many passages in the bible that even those who take it literally do not follow today,since it would really get them into trouble, so it seems to me that if a group picks and chooses what they like they are not exactly following the overall teachings of the bible.
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@quatelmon (955)
• United States
18 Jul 07
Agreed. However, by not following those passages, it is picking and choosing from the bible. People like all of the good parts, but don't like the bad parts. There are a lot of stonings in the bible, rape is okay in some instances, etc. The bible is just a book, and I think people shouldn't read to deep into it. JUST MY OPPINION! I am not trying to be disrespectful.
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@friendship (2084)
• Canada
19 Jul 07
Take a look at Jesus's teaching. Don't always see what the old testaments said because Bible was written based on old times and the people who wrote such things might be influenced by the culture at that time. We should look at Jesus's teaching. Because He is the one whom we should follow.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
18 Jul 07
I just saw the title page. That was enough for me. That is not Christianity. Christians do not abuse their wives. The wife submits to her husband out of love and that means doing things that are right in the sight of God and not doing what is not right in the God's eyes. A wife is not a little child nor is she the possession of a man. The curse of a wife being a slave of her husband and doing anything he wanted, even things that were illegal, was taken away by Christ's sacrifice on the cross. Therefore this is just a slightly disguised S and M sight.
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@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
18 Jul 07
I agree with you. However, when you go through the blogs and the articles on their site they quote the bible left and right.
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
18 Jul 07
This sounds so off the wall that I suspect someone of hating Christianity so much that they would put up a bogus web site just to make some Christians look ridiculous.
Personally, if I had a wife who needed spanking, I would have never married her or if I'd made a mistake and did marry such a woman, I'd divorce her.
In any case, if these people are happy and not harming anyone else, more power to'em.
I hope they don't have children.
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@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
18 Jul 07
Hello Red,
Nice to hear from you. Yes, it is off the wall, but if you look closely at the website it seems to be real. They have a store where you can buy certain Victorian undergarments and a herbal remedy that soothes pain and helps healing. Also some of the blogs by wives really break my heart. It is so sad. You are right, if these people are not harming anyone it is their business, but I am sure in some cases there are children involved and I cannot help to think that some boys will grow up to be wife beaters and the girls are conditioned to be totally submissive and buy into this lifestyle.
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@marmalaide (470)
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18 Jul 07
These people are just using the Bible to justify their personal kinks. Since the Bible is a very long text it can basically be used to justify any lifestyle you want. You just read what you want into it and there will always be something you can twist to suit yourself.
Well if 'domestic discipline' is how you get your kicks good luck to you, as long as it really is mutually agreed upon. However I have to wonder if it is really healthy for the people involved. Isn't it just reinforcing the misogyny of the husbands and the low self-esteem of the wives?
If you had been abused as a child then you might gravitate towards the same sort of relationship as an adult. You might THINK you are happy in that set-up because it is what you feel comfortable with and it is what is familiar to you. But all it is really doing is preventing you from growing up and dealing with your issues. And what about the children in the family being given that as the model of a normal healthy relationship? They are going to grow up with such warped ideas about how to treat women.
I do not think Jesus would approve at all. After all he spent time hanging out with women like Martha and Mary, and there is no suggestion anywhere that he thought they were lesser beings who needed the occasional slap to keep them in line!
@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
18 Jul 07
I could not agree with you more. I also wondered about the children in those kind of relationships. Do they grow up to think it is normal that their mother has to stand in the corner, fill out a report card about her behaviour and be physically abused?
@destroyer (784)
• Pakistan
19 Jul 07
This topic surely rings a bell! sometime ago there was a topic started by sndcain about how Islam permits husband to beat their wives! i told her that its all misinterpretation of Quranic Verses and some devious individuals have taken those verses and twisted them to serve their nefarious designs.
I think the same is happening here, these misguided souls have intentionally or unintentionally taken the verses of Holy Bible out of context and are justifying something that's totally preposterous.
P.S if Sndcain is reading this i would really love to hear what she has to say about this website :)
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@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
19 Jul 07
If you read the responses to this you will notice that Christians who responded to it soundly condemmed it. It is not something mainstream Christianity endorses or practices. It is some group who acts out their dark desires under the cloak of Christianity. While the bible says a wife should submit to her husband there is a difference there between the Qu'ran and the bible. Nowhere in the bible does it say you are permitted to hit your wife. From what I have read, quranic verses explicitly permit husbands to beat their wives, it also specifies the thickness of the rod and where you can apply the beating so it is not visible to outsiders. In any case, whether Christian, Muslim or any other religion it is totally unacceptable to lay a hand on another human being.
@cher913 (25782)
• Canada
19 Jul 07
well, they are not the type of christian that i am...i have to agree with you, this sounds rather suspicious and well weird...
we attend a baptist church and if my hubby did that to me, he would be looked at rather scornfully i would think...not sure, he has never tried it and i wont let him!
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@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
19 Jul 07
Well, I hope he would never try it and you would never permit it.
@creativemuse (193)
• United States
5 Aug 07
This sounds like a future Waco in the making. It gives new meaning to the phrase "turn the other cheek". Though in other countries it may seem more acceptable.
@margieanneart (26423)
• United States
6 Aug 07
It sounds satanic to me. Alot of religions quote what they want, and do what they choose from the bible. I do not believe in any kind of man made rules how to worship God. Only in a realationship with my Lord and Savior. He is the one that I follow, His word in the bible.
@gloria777 (1674)
• India
21 Aug 07
I have just visited the website and I can't believe that such people who call themselves as christians does exist. Spanking your wife is not at all allowed in Bible. Wife is a partner or supporter. How does one spank their partner or supporter.
@emmanola (482)
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18 Jul 07
God is love and love is God. The christian walk is never a legalistic one as the website seem to encourage. Discipline does not necessarily mean capital punishment. As far as I am concerned, the husband is the head of a home and that does not make him an overlord.
We all know that if God were to use the approach the website suggest none of us will be a christian. Remember: "If God keep account of sins who can stand!" I find the content of the site disturbing and anything but christian. In fact I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't see it myself.
@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
18 Jul 07
Yes, it is quite disturbing, in particular if you read their Glossary and some of of the experiences of the women who blog there. For whatever reason and I am sure it is not God's will these women submit themselves to punishments with implements and humiliation and suffer pain in the process. I am not sure if they are brainwashed, have low self esteem or gravitate to men like those husbands.
@friendship (2084)
• Canada
19 Jul 07
Please don't be fooled by such things. Jesus never taught that husbands should spank their wives in order to dicipline them. Husband and wives should be equal in the eyes of God. It is what Jesus taught us.
When times are getting near, there are many things that are trying to discredit Jesus's teachings. There are many weird things can happen. All of those things are created to make us stay away from God.
By the way, I saw their online store, their products are not related to Christianity. They are selling adult products. I'm guessing that they're trying to sell adult things under Christian's belief. Their website is also based on a domain by proxy.
@Zmugzy (773)
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27 Jul 07
Hilarious! Thanks for the link. I guess if you look hard enough on the internet you'll find a web site about anything. Some people must be so bored with their lives that they have to resort to this.
@vivienna (582)
• Venezuela
18 Jul 07
How do they dare! I really regret that "Christian" isn't a brand name whose rights are patented and submitted to approval by recognized theologic institutions. This site is a shame for Christians.
The Bible makes is a very simple and clear statement about authority in marriage that can be applied in every society, history era, culture: "...subjecting yourselves one to another in the fear of Christ" (Ephesians 5:21).
If you'd like to know more about true Christian gender relationship, read Rebecca -Merrill-Groothius' "Good News for Women" or "What Paul really said" by John Bristow.
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@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
18 Jul 07
Well from what I read in their blogs they really think they are Christians. To me it is thinly disguised S/M.
@cheezcake (62)
• Philippines
18 Jul 07
I've never heard of a husband disciplining his wife in the bible. maybe divorce if the wife was caught in adultery...but spanking? oh brother, talk about twisting even the verses for their interpretation. i hope no one buys these ideas. or should i say i hope no one get stumble about these.
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@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
18 Jul 07
Well, I read some of the blogs some women posted on that site and I found it really disturbing. They don't only talk about light spankings which in itself would be wrong but also being beaten with implements.