Knowing or believing?
By minijumbuk
@minijumbuk (514)
Australia
July 21, 2007 10:27pm CST
I am very confused right now. I KNOW logically it is impossible for
God to NOT exist
i.e. i know that God exist and i Know God made the universe and everything.
But i am having trouble Believing in him. I do not really know what i
am talking about...
perhaps you do.
im not saying i dont believe God exists, im saying that maybe i dont
have ... i dont really know...
can you please point me in the right direction or tell me if i make
any sense at all?Thx in advance
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17 responses
@lilaclady (28207)
• Australia
22 Jul 07
I believe there is some higher being and that there is something wonderful awaiting for us but I also believe that no one can really know as it is something that we on this earth would not understand as it is so different to what we know so I think we are not meant to really know until our journey here is completed and when our turn comes all will be revealed, I think we are just meant to travel our individual roads in life and maybe not even think about what is next so long as we remain good and true to ourselves....
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
22 Jul 07
Wow, it does sound like you are pretty confused. I don't really understand how it is possible to know something and yet not believe it, since knowing is usually considered the more concrete way of describing something?
If your logic tells you that there is some kind of Supreme Being but you don't have any personal faith, then it sounds like you just haven't really found a personal spirituality that speaks to you. Perhaps you should try investigating a number of different religious options?
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
22 Jul 07
So basically what you are saying is that you believe in God but are questioning Christianity? Do you consider yourself a Christian? Have you ever considered religions other than Christianity, or looking into different forms of Christianity?
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@minijumbuk (514)
• Australia
22 Jul 07
i dont really know, i am so confused, i mean... i know god exists, but i would not consider myself as a christian becasuse i dont serve god, i merely recognise him
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@minijumbuk (514)
• Australia
22 Jul 07
Hmm... maybe i should make my self clearer,
I know LOGICALLY that there must be a God, but i do not believe the values, or i just dont "trust him" fully with my heart. I know what is wrong, what is sin, but i continue to do them.... When people say "live like a christian" i dont do that, altheough i believe there is a God, watching us
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@judyt00 (3497)
• Canada
22 Jul 07
Then there are those of us who KNOW your god doesn't exist. The bible is merely a series of stories written by numerous people about other people, the commandments nothing more than one man's attempt to put some law and order into his followers. Jesus was nothing more than one of a number of militants who practiced a little magic, but he was the one that got caught, and had good press.
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@minijumbuk (514)
• Australia
22 Jul 07
please do not down grade other's religion because of your atheism. You can believe what you want to believe, but do not give others a hard time... In fact, MOST religion preach justice and peace to their followers so i don't see what you are arguing against. It is not "merely a series of stories written by numerous people" it is the word of God. Do you really thing a "very good lie" as you implied the bible was... would go on for so many centuries? i think not... do you think it is just a coincidence why all the religion originated from asia regions? i dont think so...
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@minijumbuk (514)
• Australia
22 Jul 07
It is the word of god, DELIVERED by men...
anyhow, this is not a discussion about creation or evolution... please read the discussion carefully before you reply... back on topic please
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@melzx21 (14)
• United States
22 Jul 07
I get what you mean. I don't know if I (or anyone else for hat matter) can "point you in the right direction". Personally I'm Atheist with a slight bit of agnostic (for the most part I don't believe in any supreme being/s, but I have no way to rule it out 100%) And I can understand you not being 100% sure. You don't have any solid proof. If this is what you believe in, then don't listen to everyone else. In the meantime, maybe studying religions (including ones that you don't believe in) would help you. I know many people that don't follow just one thing. They believe in a little bit of this, and a little bit of that, etc. All I'm saying is take a little time to explore, there's nothing to be afraid of. Because what you believe in is up to you, and only you.
@minijumbuk (514)
• Australia
23 Jul 07
That is my problem, i dont even understand WHAT im believing, that is why i am so confused... well thank you for your post anyways. I dont think i will be studying religion, but i find it quite interesting, how most religions originated from the middle east region... around the same era too!
@drmohamedshalata (121)
• Ecuador
22 Jul 07
002.028 how can ye reject the faith in God?-
seeing that ye were without life , and he gave you life; then he cause you to die , and will again bring you to life; and again to him will ye return.
check this may help you find the truth
http://www.soundvision.com/info/~quran/search.asp?sura=&ayah=&submit=search&word=God&transtable=yusufali
@minijumbuk (514)
• Australia
23 Jul 07
hm... i dont know WHY i dont have faith in God, its not like i choose to not have faith in him, but it just happens to be that way... i do hope that God can "open my eyes" so i can understand him better. I wish that i could "return" to him, but i do not truely KNOW him....
its like... you know who David Beckham is, but you dont know him personally, if that makes sense
@minijumbuk (514)
• Australia
22 Jul 07
Hi there new user, please do not just spam these responses with no particular point to make, i have already told why in the previous posts
@minijumbuk (514)
• Australia
23 Jul 07
Thanks for your response!
and thank you for praying for me, and i do hope that God will "OPEN" my eyes =]
@nanikj (26)
• United States
23 Jul 07
Hi Mini,I won't keep you long, but will just give a quick comment. People who don't have a "heart" knowledge of Jesus, do not understand. There are quite a few people who have a "head" knowledge. If you were to ask God to show you in no uncertain terms what the "truth" is, He will tell you. You might read the book of John in the Bible. That would be a good place to start. He will show anyone who wants to know, but those that refuse to seek Him will never find Him. You are on the right track! I will be praying that God will open your eyes to the truth and the truth will set you free. Bless you. Nanikj
@friendship (2084)
• Canada
22 Jul 07
I really love this passage.
Luke 11: 9-10
"So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 10For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened".
And here are real stories about miraculous intervention of God when people asked and searched for Him.
http://christianity.about.com/od/miraculousintervention/Christian_Testimonies_About_Miraculous_Intervention.htm
Hopefully, you'll find what you're looking for.
@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
22 Jul 07
I don't believe that there's anyone whose faith has not faltered a little at some time or other, minijumbuk. If you own a Bible I would suggest that you take it out and start reading in Genesis. If that won't restore your faith I don't know what will.
@oldiebut (859)
• Canada
22 Jul 07
I am not sure I understand, How can you know something that you don't believe? As an agnostic I consider god to be an unknowable concept while the rationalist side doubts his existence. The two are in conflict because you cannot argue rationally about the unknowable. I don't envy you your quandry.
@Commonsense0 (516)
• United States
23 Jul 07
No one can point you in the right direction. You have to find it for yourself. Noone can tell you what is right for you...
@litebrite87 (86)
•
22 Jul 07
What you're experiencing makes sense. Following all of the rules of any religion is very hard, that's why there is forgiveness. If people were made with free will there would be nothing wrong in this world. Have you ever considered that Christianity might not be right for you? I personally believe that almost all religions are the same as they usually share the same key stories, take the great flood for instance.
It's too bad that you have a bunch of anti-religion people posting here that don't care to answer your question. I've known a lot of people who are heavily into science that have also found it completely illogical for their not to be a higher being of some kind. Although evolution explains a lot about where we come from there could never be a logical answer for how the "Big Bang" ever started if there wasn't something to move it along.
@minijumbuk (514)
• Australia
22 Jul 07
I agree with you, it is very hard, that is perhaps why i lost faith....
especially what Jesus said...
"love your enemies" which to me, is practically IMPOSSIBLE to do.... thank you for your response.
I agree with you, I do physics in school, studied the "Big Bang" THEORY (most people forget this part, which is important as it is only a theory) and the most rediculous thing is... they actually make up estimated figures in how long the Big bang took even though it was only a theory to begin with, very far fetched...
@theknight7 (95)
• South Korea
23 Jul 07
Minijumbuk, ask God to help you to know him more, ask him to fill you with his Holy Spirit that will teach you all things. follow the leading of the Lord, You will never be disappointed.
To those who send a negative replies;
You can say any thing, but those words does not change the nature of God, it does not make the Bible to loose It's quality. A fool says in his heart there is no God.
Bible is the Word of GOD, believe it or not, and to us which are saved it is the Power of God. People like you have been existing, is not a new thing hearing you saying all these rubbish, may God forgive you.
@joseisegura (4)
• United States
22 Jul 07
try going to the internet and try to learn more about him and you can always believe in him any thing good happens to you is great and the bad things that happen to you is just a test God made for you to see if you really believe and trust him, try looking inside yourself and know you have a feeling that he is there and always will
@saptarshi_9999 (3)
• India
23 Jul 07
how do you know that god exists,have you ever seen him? see, my friend don't be confused regarding the existence of god. there is nothing such as god,we all believe that we are driven by an external supernatural power which is called as
'GOD' but it's not important that this power exists.it's your own instinct that judges it regarding its existence as well as non-existence.if you want to believe that god exists, then you can believe it, if you don't want to believe ,then don't believe,there is nothing wrong in it.its your own wish to judge the fact.you are not forced to go against your own will, so go as you like .
@monkeywriter (2004)
• United States
22 Jul 07
Your confused I can tell. I'm a christian so I know there is a God. But to think there is a God and not believe is kinda confusing. I believe you know there is a God but you are not sure how to encounter this. Its normal. Jesus is the only way to get to heaven. In order to get to heaven you must believe He is the only Son of God and ask Him in your heart to forgive your sins. Read your bible.
Now the earth declares there is a God, humans do too. The human body is too complex to be just an accident. Think about creation, think about the stars. You too will know that there is a God.
Write me up if you have any questions. You are close to believing. Dont stop believing its true it all is!
@chachh (11)
• India
22 Jul 07
First of all let me point that it doesnt make perfect logical sense for god to exist. i myself am not an atheist but it doesnt make a difference whether god created the universe or not because if he did, someone had to create him. so there's a higher power...that's gonna be god now. so what is god??something like a recursive program? i'm as confused as u are but atleast i have this clear...