Would you see changing religions as a personal betrayal?
By Leca
@lecanis (16647)
Murfreesboro, Tennessee
July 28, 2007 12:08pm CST
This came up because of my other discussion, but it's kind of far afield from that one, so I'm starting a new discussion for it.
I know there are a lot of people who have changed religions throughout their lifetime. For many of them, they never really felt at home in their original religion, and never felt a real connection to whatever deity or deities that religion worshippped.
However, if you did feel a real connection to your deity or deities, would you view changing religions as being a personal betrayal? Would you see it as just as bad as abandoning family and friends? Am I the only one who looks at things this way?
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@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
28 Jul 07
no you arent alone...I feel the same way..if somethings fits/works/feels right etc WHY CHANGE IT?? When I was a devoted Christian, I DIDNT feel those things and have been a Witchy type person since I was very young but was always told I was nuts when things would come up etc....so I stayed with Christianity and it was ultimately betraying myself...I dont understand why anyone would leave a path they KNOW is right for them..I mean what could possibly be the reasoning for that ya know??
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
28 Jul 07
*nods* That was sort of what I was saying. You took it in a different directin than what I was thinking actually, when you said betraying yourself, when I was thinking of it more as betraying the Gods. You have a lovely point though, Ravenladyj! =)
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
28 Jul 07
Since I am a Christian, I would feel that if someone changed religions so that things would be easier on them as a betrayal to God, not to me. The person who changes religions for such superficial things as more material possessions is damaging himself even though I may have tried to get him to see the light.
But now we are talking about the case of someone who believed in many gods, a pagan as it were, deciding to change to Christianity or Islam because in the first case the Christian family always invited him over for Christmas dinner and the second case, their show of reverence in they bowed five times a day to Mecca. In these cases, it was that he was more interested in what others think, and not because he believed that the worship of the Greek or Nordic or Celtic gods or goddesses were wrong. However unless he abandons his family, i.e. not come over to see them on holidays, it would not be a personal betrayal. His is between him and his deity or deities, if they do exist.
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
28 Jul 07
I was talking about it being a betrayal of my deities actually. I was saying that if I changed religions because other people told me to, I would be betraying my Gods, as well as myself (because I do have true faith in them). When I said it would be like betraying friends and family, I wasn't talking about humans, I was saying that I view my Gods as friends and family, therefore it would be the same type of betrayal.
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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28 Jul 07
Well, if they have that connection, then changing would be odd. If it was due to peer pressure, that would be wrong. If they changed to please a friend or partner, that would be wrong as well. When I say wrong, I mean to themselves. Their choice would be one that would affect them alone and I think by changing for those reasons, it would be choice they would regret later on.
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@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
28 Jul 07
I left the Catholic religion many moons ago and never became attached to another. I don't see where changing religions is a personal betrayal. What is the purpose of belonging to any religion? Is is possible to know God or some Higher Power without belonging to a religion? Over the years, I have asked myself if God were here what religion would he belong to? Are religions like shopping for a new car? You give several a test run and pick the one you like? Another question I would ask is this...Why does God need to be worshipped? He has no ego and would not care if he got all that attention. Unlike man who is seeking to be worshipped by others thinking that it makes hime/her important. I think I can at any time be thankful to God and appreciate everything in my life. I know this is far off your subject, but I know you are deeply religious...so who better to ask than you? Besides, you have nothing better to do on a Saturday afternoon...lol.
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@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
28 Jul 07
That last sentence is really interesting. I would ask how many Gods are there? Does every religion have a different God? If you have a relationship with many Gods, how do you keep them all seperate? Is any one God more important than the other? Just wondering. I don't think you would be betraying one God if you went on to have a new relationship with another. To my mind, betrayal is a human trait and is not valid in the spiritual world.
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
28 Jul 07
Hmm, this is interesting to me because it makes me realize just how different my Gods are from the God you are referring to. =p
It makes sense to me from the viewpoint of one higher power that they wouldn't want or need to be worshipped, and that you could easily at any time connect with them without religion. However, the from my perspective as a worshipper of Gods who are not seen as being indendependantly omnipotent (though perhaps so as a pantheon) it makes more sense that they would choose specific followers for companionship, or to act through in the mortal world. Does that make sense?
Of course, I could easily still follow the same deities I follow without calling myself a member of the religion associated with them, but if I called myself a member of a religion associated with another deity while still having a relationship with my current Gods, it would seem a little like lying or cheating. *thinks*
I think I thought of relationship with deity in many of the same terms of relationships with other humans, because my deities have always seemed that close and familiar to me. So I feel as if they are capable of being betrayed by me, because I feel that the attachment I feel towards them is reciprocated. Whereas an omnipotent higher power might not reciprocate such an attachment. In fact, were I to be totally honest, I would not say I "worship" my Gods, but rather that I have a relationship with them.
@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
28 Jul 07
That last sentence is really interesting. I would ask how many Gods are there? Does every religion have a different God? If you have a relationship with many Gods, how do you keep them all seperate? Is any one God more important than the other? Just wondering. I don't think you would be betraying one God if you went on to have a new relationship with another. To my mind, betrayal is a human trait and is not valid in the spiritual world.
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@PinayPrincess (554)
• Philippines
28 Jul 07
Of course not... If you did not feel any connection to your deities and decided to change religion theres no betrayal in that case..
well actually Im not good in reviews... but I can say that religion isnt that important.. Most important is who do you recognize as your creator or God.. thats all...
IF you are a God feariong person whatever your religion is you will be loved by God,. :D
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
28 Jul 07
What I was saying was, if you DID feel a connection, would you see changing religions as a betrayal? I mentioned people that didn't feel a connection to point out that I wasn't saying they had betrayed someone, seeing as there wasn't a relationship there to betray in the first place.
I'm not a God fearing person actually, I've never felt afraid of my Gods, because they have always been very kind to me.
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@bryanjumar (6)
• Philippines
29 Jul 07
Changing religion is not always a personal betrayal. What if i was raised in a religion that worships a false god? Would i continue attending to that religion? Of course not. It is a personal betrayal if i know from the bottom of my heart that what i am doing or what i am following or worshipping is wrong but i keep on doing it. If changing religion can free me from the bondage that my false religion had set on me then i'l definitely find the religion that could really give me peace, love, salvation, forgiveness.
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
29 Jul 07
If you believed the god was false, of course you would change religions. But in that case, you wouldn't feel it was a betrayal because you wouldn't feel you had a relationship with that false god.
If you believed however that your god was real, and that they loved you and cared for you, and you changed religions because of outside influences, would you consider that a betrayal? That's more what I was thinking, not the scenario of changing religions because you truly felt you should, but because other people wanted you to do so, or doing so would gain you something in the world.
@bryanjumar (6)
• Philippines
30 Jul 07
I agree with you in your point. if that's case that you are in a religion whose god loves and cares you so much and still you choose to leave that god due to some reasons then its a betrayal. it means you're not really connected at all to that god that gives so much love and care for you. thank you for sharing your views.
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@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
29 Jul 07
I guess I jsut can't figure out why a person who has a bond with his/her diety/ies would wish to change. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Unless I lose my faith, I'm not changing. I just can't fathom change for any reason other than that. If faith is lost and a change is worthy, than it is not a betrayal, just a change. But that is not how I understood this discussion to be. Am I right or wrong or somewhere between. LOL
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@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
29 Jul 07
Now, my father converted from Judaism to Christianity, which wasn't a huge stretch considering the core beliefs are still the same. He just added the belief in Jesus as diety instead of Rabbi. So he didn't lose faith, he "added" faith, if you get my drift.
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
29 Jul 07
You're not wrong. I was thinking along these terms because I have known people who changed religions even when they didn't really lose their faith, because of social pressure, marriage, or pressure from family members. And since I have constant social pressure on myself to change religions, I always find myself trying to explain to people that I never could because I feel it would be a personal betrayal of my deities, whom I love very much.
So you didn't get it wrong at all, you got exactly what I meant. =)
@AnoChaudhary (1719)
• India
29 Jul 07
Ha finally a discussion i can identify with LOL yes i had the same things going on in my mind as well but now what i have done is whenever i hear about a particular religion or practice i just research about it and if find something that i like i accept it. So yes i beleive in several gods and goddesses. My own religion has thousands of them and though i dont have a connection to all of them i do have my favorites and yes Jesus has been a influence from my school days and i am reading about Kabbalah also after joining mylot i have learnt about Yoruba from a mylotter here - its a bit of everything for me and i did have lot of relatives who discouraged it they thought i was being disloyal etc etc but for me i feel as long as i can connect i want to beleive in that particular god and though on paper and family i belong to a particular religion i love learning about different religion and i feel you dont have to change your religion you just start beleiving in a different set of belife and learn a new set of rituals otherwise inside its just the same :)
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@kamran12 (5526)
• Pakistan
29 Jul 07
Hello lecanis!:-)
I may or may not see changing religion as a personal betrayal. I'll try to explain:
If I did change my religion based on some material and personal desires, that had nothing to do with 'reality' that I feel, I would definitely feel that I have betrayed. I have seen people who changed their religion based on personal gains. I realized that they never had a connection or real affiliation with their religion that they changed. I have seen some families going to another religion because they were better taken care of in the changed religion. They were prmised some worldly gains if they changed and they did change. Here I see a betrayal. But then how come it is a betrayal when they never had a "feeling" for the religion they changed? Perhaps this is not a betrayal, but I see it this way; any change for selfish reason is a betrayal. I did see only one person in one of the families crying for having been changed and coming back to the original one.
There is howeve, another side to it. I myself have been through some sort of change. I was an agnostic in my teenage. When moving up in my scientific knowledge, I reasoned that there has to be a supreme being, I was on lookout where I can find it. I met some spiritual people and seeing their grandeur, (not physical, only spiritual:-)), I realized that they have something that I don't have. They made friends with me. All I met were from different places, yet so connected to each other and so harmonized. I was not sure what to make of them as far as friendship is concerned i.e. whom to declare my friend over another. It's not that I had to do that, it's just in terms of affiliation. When I myself moved in my little spiritual world, I would realize one of them more spiritual, more powerful (not hysical), more respected among others. I would attach myself to him/her more than to whom I attached before. And I felt that, the "next" would accept me more than before and even the previous one not only accepted the change but encouraged and supported the change. This was a very different kind of experience where one is supporting me to leave him/her and to attach more to other. I realzied that they (from whom I changed)themselve respected my new affiliation themsleves i.e. they consdered my new friend worhty of a higher attachment. Then I came t know that I was supposed to find the new one by myself and they are following the same person.
This cycle moved on and on and I have come a long way from then. searching and finding new friends who are followed by my previously held friend. Here "previous" doesn't mean that I left them. It merely underscores the fact that I have found a higher one and I attached myself more to this higher one than the earlier ones. The earlier ones still my close friends, rather more frank now. This moving up exposed me to higher and higher field of work that they were involved in. It must be cleared here that I never considered these friends any sort of deities, though I could have, seeing their grandeur. It was just because I saw in them that they are themselves looking up, to find that was my job. I always found that however immence their power (non-physical) is, they are seeing up. All these are very simple being otherwise. In fact the more I see up, the more simpler, humble and apparently ordinary, person I see. I have realized, earlier by my reasoning, now by my experience, that the actual Deity (of course in my understanding)is a non-human, immeasureable, in calculable, un see-able, unfathomable, all knowing, all powerful, compassionate, loving, caring, looking over, but a freeing one that gives free will to humans. Why I see these perfect qualities for a diety is because I have seen how much qualified a "human" can be, I have seen the power(spiritual) of humans, their vastness and their freedom from time and space. I have known humans going from one corner of world to other without any restriction of time. I have seen them caring for others no matter, the person they are caring for know them or not. They are wind for those who don't know them and great friends for those who have known and found them. Yet they never ask to be wroshiped because they too worship something else, something immeasurable, huge and un-fathomable. Something that is not human, a supreme being.
I have come this long way to say just that changing in the above case (from one ffiliation to other) never ever occured to me as betrayal, perhaps because the ones I was changing affiliation with were the ones who suported and encouraged it and they too were having a feeling of other to be superior. In this case, when I am not changing affiliation for my selfish (material) gains, I wouldn't consider it a betrayal.
I don't know if my post is coherent, because I have written in a flow. There will be many typos perhaps and I hope you will excuse them:-)
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
29 Jul 07
You always make me think, kamran, and I love that about you. =)
I also have seen people change their religion for material gains, or because of social pressure, and in both cases there have been some people who claimed they did feel something for their original beliefs, but changed anyway. I guess that's where I see the betrayal. However, I suppose not being that person myself, it is hard for me to know what they really felt, so I suppose in a way my calling them a betrayer is inappropriate because it is assuming I know something I can't know (what they felt). So of course now I am thinking about this in a different way. =p
The journey you have taken is incredible! I cannot imagine having changed so much within one short human lifetime, and yet the more I think about it, the more I see that I have changed in ways myself. I have changed to become more compassionate, more independant, more trusting... those are the kinds of changes I have made in my life. I've never had to change belief systems in order to change my own spiritual being, because my Gods have always been in support of my spiritual evolution. I suppose that's why I see things the way I do... I have never needed to change because I feel that I started out where I belonged. So for me to change would be betrayal, while for you to change wasn't, because your journey was meant to be undertaken by you, and as you said, it was always with the support of the previous affiliation that you changed.
I don't know what to make of the comment you added, since I honestly cannot understand the idea of a single Deity that you can approach in many ways. My own deities seem so separate and so individual to me that I simply cannot imagine them as faces of a single being, and therefore there will always be parts of your spirituality that I cannot understand. I think perhaps I would only be able to do so in another lifetime, not this one, because of the personal attachments that I have to my Deities. Since my loyalties to them are specific and individual, as I believe they are, that is why I would see it as a betrayal to change, as you do not see a betrayal because you view all as different ways to approach the same deity.
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@kamran12 (5526)
• Pakistan
29 Jul 07
I must add that my only loyalty is with the Deity, not with the way to approach that Deity. If I have to change the way (religion) and find a better way to approach it, I'll change and will not feel myself as a betrayer since I am still loyal to one I should be:-)
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@kamran12 (5526)
• Pakistan
29 Jul 07
I can see your confusion about me and especially about the added comment. Actually, when seen from different angle, it was not a change of affiliation but a change in closer/higher affiliation because I still have previous affiliations. In my case the spiritual beings were all humans and they never claimed to be a diety. They were and are guides only leading to a certain point, yet still better than me. I found that they also, along with me, submit to the higher spiritual being that still is not a deity, netiher for me nor for them. The submission is only for spiritual growth and leadership, not for worship. That's why my change was never to abandon my affiliation but to move to a higher affiliation, if you can now see what I am saying!?
Just for an example, A teacher did graduation and is teaching a 6th-9th Grade classes. I was guided by this teacher from 6th to 9th grade and as I moved to 10th grade, my teacher changed and now I have a teacher who has done masters. Now, though I changed my teacher or guide, I am never done with my previous teacher (a difference between reality and this example). I found that my previous teacher helped me to be able to gain a higher qualified teacher. This new techer guided me through 10th-12th grade whereby I was needed to be guided by another one which is yet higher than the previous two. While I moved to third level, my previous teachers are still with me and still better qualified than myself. I'll move on and on in my endeavor changing my teacher but not the final sign i.e. for example a master of a field, all knowing in that field. Now there is a difference in purpose and the way I followed. My change of teachers was not only supported by them but was for a purpose they themselve are following. And they never claimed to be the purpose, the highest level of "knowing". They were helpers for me and still are and I can't ignore the role of any one of them in this journey. So, it was never a betrayal, neither on my part nor they considered it as such. Does it make some sense now?:-)
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@elshaddai123 (3981)
• Kottayam, India
28 Jul 07
Changing religion is not good, unless your mind has been changed.Religion is good for nothing.
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@elshaddai123 (3981)
• Kottayam, India
29 Jul 07
What you got from religion ? Did it saved some body from the fiery hell,it needs works to reach heaven, how can one do good work if he is a sinner.First he must be saved, then he will be able to do good works.
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@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
29 Jul 07
Another great topic! hehe. Even within the christian church itself there is always a big debate over people who change from one thing to another. I dont see anyone different than the other to me they are all paths we can chose to follow or not. I dont know where the path I am on will lead me (in this world) but I hope to see it through till the end. I do know I have felt pulled towards things more now than ever before so I dont really see it as abandoning my previous thoughts more like growing and learning. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, thought like a child, and reasoned like a child. When I became an adult, I no longer used childish ways. Spirituality and hopefully any religion is a growing experience.
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
29 Jul 07
Thanks, EvanHunter! I love your original response, it is very moving. I agree that if you feel pulled or called to a certain path, that path is the one you should take, and that learning and growing in spirit is what it's all about.
The next comment you made more addresses what I was thinking about, the people who change for the wrong reasons. I personally have felt pressured to change my whole life, by people around me, and I haven't changed, because I feel I am already on the right path for me. Which is kind of why I started this discussion, because I was wondering how many people would understand how I felt about it. Which it turns out a lot of people have understood.
I really like what you said about it being a betrayal to yourself to ignore your spiritual side in favor of worldly things! I know so many people who say they just don't have time to be spiritual, and I always say to them "I make time, because it is important to me, and if it were important to you, you would find the time somewhere as well."
@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
29 Jul 07
Hey had to add to this. I do think there are wrong reasons to change religions too. Because you feel pressured (not called), Because you think its to hard, because someone offended you (why people let others change their spirituality I will never know).
I dont see you as the type of person to change on a whim, so I didnt think about including these but there are wrong reasons to do it. Wether its a betrayal or not I guess when you think about it being a betrayal to yourself than only you know whats in your heart. Alot of people feel called to religion or spirituality but ignore it because they think it will be a burden. I guess thats kind of a betrayal to ones self also, to be caught up in worldly things as to never explore your spiritual side.
I understand you are speaking what ifs, just thought I would point out the other side of the coin also.
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@sharonercastillo (888)
• Philippines
29 Jul 07
i think it is. if you think you're in the right path, why change at all. i'm not good in english, i hope i can explain it properly, a religion, is like a community, a family, your within a group that share the same beliefs as yours,.. and if you are going to leave that group, as you say, for no reason, i see it as a betrayal, not only to the community you belong with, but most of all to yourself.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
29 Jul 07
One's religion is so very personal. I think that if you aren't personally connected with your beliefs then it would be kind of hypocritical to continue on. Some people change religions when they marry out of their faith. If I were very strong in my beliefs, I would not change my religion for any reason. It would be a part of me.
I was raised catholic but questioned so much of it's teachings. When I became an adult, I chose to stop participating in the religion. Now I am no denomination and I prefer to be that way.
So yes, It would be a personal betrayal if you were to go against your own beliefs. I wouldn't say you were abandoning family and friends. I would say you were abandoning yourself.
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
29 Jul 07
I think it would be hypocritical to continue in a faith you weren't connected with also.
I think the marriage thing is one of the ones that bothers me so much. I've known many people who gave up what had seemed like very strong beliefs because they married someone else. If it's a question of a different denomination within the same religion, and still worshipping the same deity, then I wouldn't see it as a big deal. However, if you're actually worshipping different deities because you married someone, I would see that as betraying whatever deity or deities you followed before. I am married to someone who is of a totally different religion than mine, but I would never convert to his religion, nor he to mine.
That's actually what I meant when I ask if it wasn't just as bad as betraying family and friends. I was talking about betraying your deity or dieties, and comparing that to betraying family and friends, not saying you would actually BE betraying your family and friends. But I definitely agree with you that it would be a betrayal of self.
@ladysurvivor (4746)
• Malaysia
29 Jul 07
I don't think changing a religion is a way for a person to show personal betrayal. Changing religion is a personal decision but why does it have to be connected with personal betrayal. The same goes with the decision of marriage. Does a person betrayed her/his parents if he choose to marry her own choice and not her parents? This doesn't make sense. To me, we all have personal freedom to decide, when when we decide it must not be connected to personal betrayal. I think it's not fair.
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
29 Jul 07
I have been greatly understood here, so I must not have stated my question properly. I wasn't asking if it would be a betrayal of your family or some other human beings, but whether it would be a personal betrayal of your deities? Of course you are not betraying your parents if you marry someone they don't approve of, but would be betraying your parents if you said they were no longer your parents and chose someone else to call your parents?
@Bujoyseth (1684)
• Philippines
29 Jul 07
this is a free world and we all have our free will to do what we think is right and good for us.. for me, it' s not a personal betrayal. we just wanted to find something or some place that we know we'll feel comfortable and good for us.. just do what you want to do,,, we all have freedom.. feel free to do everything, feel free to go everywhere.... just ignore what other people will say... it's your life.. and it's only you who knows what would be best for you..
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
29 Jul 07
Thanks for sharing your views with me. =)
I too believe that everyone should find what feels right to them, but I was thinking more of people who change religion because of social pressure, not because they really felt uncomfortable in their old religion.
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
29 Jul 07
Religion is a very personal thing. You have to or should be comfortable with your religion. If the one you were born in doesn't bring you closer to the deity you worship or you can't follow their teachings the way they descibe them , then you should seek another.Or if you find yourself questioning the existence of a higher power, then don't seek another religion.I would rather see a person that I care about change their religion and be happy than either stay with a religion that don't care about or just turn off to religion all together.There are too many ways to have religion in your life to be upset when someone choose another path.There are other things a loved one could do that I would find as a personal betrayal but changing religions isn't one of them.
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
29 Jul 07
I completely agree that if you were born into a religion you don't feel comfortable with, you should change. I would definitely rather see a person in a religion that made them happy than any other religion, even my own.
What I was thinking when I started this post was more whether you would feel it were possible to betray your God or Gods by changing your religion, if you had felt a bond with them but were being pressured to change religions by outside sources. I suppose I should have been more specific in my original post, but it's been interesting because I've gotten many different types of answers, both by people who took it as I originally meant and people who took it as you did.
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
30 Jul 07
I think it's sad too, to change religions because of peer pressure, but I've known a lot of people who did so. Mostly people who like me were Pagan but became Christian because they got tired of all the pressure to convert put on them by family and friends, or because they married someone who insisted they change religions in order to be married to them. I am soooo happy that my husband and I have managed to happily be different religions and not feel like either of us had to change. =)
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
29 Jul 07
I understand now. Do you betray G-d when you change religions? I don't think that is possible because I believe all paths lead to the same being or beings.But changing your religion because of peer pressure is sad.Especially here in the States where you are free to believe or not believe whatever you want.You don't have to pretend you are part of the religion of the State so you are not killed.All this reminds me of Steel Magnolias, " G-d don't care which church you go to as long as you go."
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@filmbuff (2909)
• United States
29 Jul 07
One of the best (and worst) things about being human is that we can have the power to think and re-evaluate our thoughts, emotions, and beliefs. Personal truths that I held 20 years ago may no longer ring as true as they once did, or ultimately may not even matter.
As we live life and our experiences, intellect, and tastes grow, they often change. This is just as true spiritually as with anything else.
Music is a prime example. When I was a teenager, nine times out of ten I would reach for a Metallica or Dio record or tape when I wanted to listen to music. While I still enjoy Metallica and Deio now, they're hardly my first choices unless I'm feeling especially nostaligic or in a certain mood.
The betrayal issue you bring up is an interesting one. It covers both the betrayal of self (for beliefs once held) and also betrayal to any diety, or dieties one might have believed in, but no longer does.
I think most of the hurt feelings come from relatives who may have shared that religion with you. I've personally noticed some relatives who feel hurt that I no longer share their same beliefs since when I was younger I did experiment with thier religion.
Your question though seems kind've loaded:
"However, if you did feel a real connection to your deity or deities, would you view changing religions as being a personal betrayal?"
If you still feel a connetion to your deity or deities, why on earth would change religions in the first place? That doesn't make sense to me.
For the record, my beliefs and ideas and even the way that I worship have changed over the years, but my deity never has.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
31 Jul 07
I'm just wondering if you might be referring to yourself?? I mean do you feel that even though you have a connectedness with your religion that maybe your searching for something else?? No, I don't think it's a betrayal...for instance, I was baptized Catholic,confirmed Protestant, yet turned to the pagan path...I never exactly abandoned my Christian viewpoints, but saw my involvement as an expansion--I've also have studied Hinduism and Buddhism and take a bit of those ideologies into my beliefs. I guess the point is,,....in many ways many of us are searching for the answers to life itself and perhaps if that means getting involved with another religion it can only expand our knowledge as well to try and get those answers in life
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
31 Jul 07
Well, I am referring to myself in that I feel outside pressure to convert, but not that I actually would do so. I'm trying to delve further into my own reasons for NOT converting, so that I can better explain them. Not to the random annoying pushy people, but to the people I actually care about who try to convert me because they honestly believe that I would be happier in their religion. As far as the idea of me no longer following the Gods I follow, I can't imagine a situation in which that could happen, after all they've been there for me through.
I can understand what you are saying about taking bits of other ideologies into your beliefs, but from my point of view there is more to be discovered even within the Celtic viewpoint than I have time to discover in my mortal lifetime, so my delvings into other religions have been scholarly rather than spiritual because I feel I don't have TIME to do justice to more than one type of spirituality.
Also, in my opinion, if you didn't see it as a betrayal, then it wasn't. I don't claim to know your relationship to whatever deities you are involved with better than you do, and my intention here wasn't to tell other people they were betrayers. It was merely my way of tryiing to work on my own viewpoint of things, and figure out a better way to explain myself.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
1 Aug 07
I think we have another ballgame here going then lecanis...since I didn't understand the whole picture....you seemed to be pressured then to convert to another religion to make OTHER people happy and content in THEIR lives, not yours---and I just don't think that's right...No one should change a religion they feel comfortable and has worked for them only to please someone else..I take it these are family members?? Not your hubby I hope? But others in your family? I mean I think these people would feel perhaps a bit antagonistic toward you if you tried to convert them...would they not? You're just going to have to explain to these people as best you can that the religion you have is your religion you follow and feel comfortable with...and also, in some cases one really shouldn't have to go into a long drawn out detailed accounting of why you follow the path you're on.
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@anuj291 (575)
• India
25 Sep 07
i personally dont belive in religion and all,,i am a hindu and i am very much more fond of christanity,,i even celebrate christmas on a big scale,i dont think there anythin wronga at all if anyone changes his or her religion,,its his/her life why should anyone care or bother about that
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
25 Sep 07
*nods* You have a point that it's not anyone else's business what your religion is.
I really started this discussion because I personally feel that in my own life changing my religion would be betraying my Gods, but that doesn't mean that I feel like other people have to be the same way. It's just how I see it, because I believe I have a personal relationship with my Gods, and thus suddenly just "leaving that relationship" would be a betrayal.
I think it's perfectly okay if you feel more fond of Christianity, obviously there's a reason you feel drawn to it, and that's fine for you. I just couldn't become Christian because I feel too close to my own Gods to do so.