my little brother asked me (an atheist) about god the other day..

it seems like your a complete idiot.. im sorry but every time i have a discussion you say something completly idiotic, i dont care if you give me a negative for this because you must understand that i told him to deny everything i tell him.. if you read my discussion again, you will understand that i told him to question everything i said something that religion does not do.... screw you man, thers too bad there isnt a hell for you to go to.

As my friend from Thailand from the first answer would say, Jai yen, Keep a cool heart. If animosity enteres here this discussion will be dilated just as a previous on was that I was enjoying.

You obviously didn't read his post correctly. He stressed to his brother that those were only his opinions, and that his brother should question even his opinions. That's not brainwashing, that's giving him information and encouraging him to use critical thinking skills to assess that information. He even told his brother not to take what he said at face value. It's you who should be ashamed for jumping to conclusions and wasting no time in throwing the first stone at someone you deem a sinner.

thats very true, he did ask... it started when we were watching a TV show and this cartoon character went to heaven... + i wrestle with my brother all the time =D

Thanks for the answer, I kind of figured you didn't believe in a soul, but I just wanted to be sure.

yea, i mean, if i did believe in "soul" it would be contradictory to my lack of belief in god.. right? contradictions are something i am strictly against (IE human freewill VS god's omnipotence)

yes thank you.. but, the atheist is not burdened with having to prove that god does not exist, you cannot prove a negative. the theist is the one who needs proof, not the atheist. you don't need proof to prove god is non existent. also, to create "will", one must be existent. god knows our will before we existed. therefore, god created our will, not us.

no no its not a matter of i think so, or not, its a fact. if i say X exists, i need proof. you dont even know about X until it is introduced to you, and if the proof is introduced and it does not meet your requirements (in this case, scientific requirements to prove something as FACT), it is not accepted by you. you dont need evidence at all. all atheists are agnostics in the way that we claim that we do not know if there is a god, however, it does not meet requirements to be known as a FACT. that is why, there is no god. if a tree falls in a wasteland and no living thing is there, does it make a sound? you cant prove the sound exists, therefore, there is no sound.

I don't think so. Because atheist is one who says 'there is no god'. There is knowledge of negative affirmation. Agnostic is one who says there is no proof so I don't believe...Theist is one who says 'there is god' and that involves knowledge of positive affirmation. If one is an atheist or a theist there is the burden to prove whatever position one holds, but it is spared for the agnostics. I am using the definition of an atheist according to Encyclopaedia of Philosophy, by Edwards. To say 'there is no god' is a philosophically self-defeating statement. And to my knowledge, therefore, we hardly have classical philosophers who are atheists...they prefer its softer version i.e. agnosticism.

yes, i agree with you.. however, the religious answer to what you said is "what if shes wrong??" in which, she will surely go to hell.. that is why i think that any religion outside of organized religion, (which i mainly call "spirituality") is not a bad thing at all, at least you can think freely..

haha thats fine.. im sure im not the first who said it.

to say that there is a god is to say that the human life is meaningless in comparison. to say that we were created by this sort of being makes the miracle of life, much less of a miracle. love, like every feeling, is a bunch of amino acids in your brain that react with other parts of your brain to produce electrical impulses.. you may not get this feeling with everyone. there is no proof. im not ignorant. free will cannot coexist with god, this is not my creation. conformity is always bad, in my opinion... unless I am the leader.. faith and blind faith are the same thing. i used to believe, but i grew out of it. just like how i used to believe in santa, and the fairy god mother, and the tooth fairy... god is just another fantasy story, especially the god of the bible. good luck to you too.. and im sorry, even if i do exercise the notion that i will one day become a theist (or become 100% atheist), i will never, and i mean NEVER, believe in any sort of organized religion..

"to say that there is a god is to say that the human life is meaningless in comparison." Does this notion disturb you? "to say that we were created by this sort of being makes the miracle of life, much less of a miracle." Sometimes life is that way. I once thought that computers were magic, until I learned how they worked. "love, like every feeling, is a bunch of amino acids in your brain that react with other parts of your brain to produce electrical impulses.. you may not get this feeling with everyone." Great, but if amino acids control love, then what happens to free will? "there is no proof. im not ignorant." I didn't call you ignorant, I said you were ignoring the proof that is all around you. Ignorant means uninformed. It means you don't know any better. Stupidity means dullness of mind. The two are not the same thing. "free will cannot coexist with god, this is not my creation." Whose creation is this, then? Let me see some bibliography. "conformity is always bad, in my opinion... unless I am the leader.." Now I'm starting to get the picture. "faith and blind faith are the same thing." When you flick a switch, you assume a light will come on. This is not blind faith. Sorry to bust your bubble. "i used to believe, but i grew out of it. just like how i used to believe in santa, and the fairy god mother, and the tooth fairy... god is just another fantasy story, especially the god of the bible." Tell Him that when you meet Him. "good luck to you too.. and im sorry, even if i do exercise the notion that i will one day become a theist (or become 100% atheist), i will never, and i mean NEVER, believe in any sort of organized religion.." When did I ask you to believe in any sort of organized relition? And when did I ask you to believe in God Himself? I'm just expressing my point of view. And never will I tell you that any one organized religion is correct. There are three reasons why I use the Holy Bible for reference: 1) It is purportedly some of the oldest written "history" we have 2) It's what I'm familiar with 3) I believe in the four gospels. I'm not telling you, or even asking you, to believe in my understanding of God. I'm just suggesting to you that this universe does have a rhythm and purpose; that it has a conscious, intelligent Creator. What He/She/It looks like to you, what His/Her/Its name is...is anyone's guess. I have books that tell me God's name is "Yahweh," or "Jehovah," or "Jesus," or "Allah," but I don't really know. I do believe that a man called "Jesus" walked the Earth some 2,000 years ago, was killed, and was resurrected. Do I have any proof of this? No. You might say this is where my blind faith begins. But I fail to see the notion of a "creative intelligence" as being blind faith; I think I have more proof of this than of your claim that free will and omnipotence cannot co-exist. There are people who believe in a creative intelligence, yet do not go to any church. It was one of these people who actually helped me break away from the dogmatic, anti-Trinity views of the Kingdom Hall. You can believe in God, and not in organized religion. I still hope God reveals Himself to you one day. If and when He does, I hope you share it with another. Not forcibly, of course, but you know what I mean. Again, good luck to you.

1. no, because there is no god lol 2. computers cant compare. 3. and that is the great free will debate (the one beyond god). its quantum physics vs classical physics... i personally believe in quantum.. but it is, a belief. 4. ignoring proof is ignorance. and there is no proof. 5. go read a book, this isnt an exam LOL! 6. its not faith because you know the facts. 7. too bad i wont. 8. the bible isnt the oldest crap we have.. why dont mark and john know anything about jesus born of a virgin? i have come to realize that the purpose of the universe is not prewritten, for if there is a purpose we are nothing more than robots without free will. we need to find our own purpose.

thats cool i guess, good job..

i think that the good things in religion only come through the good nature of humanity.. and simple ethics.

k, thanks for your response, (that was very hard to read) lol... buddhism is kind of like an atheistic religion because it is not the same omnipotent conscious god..