Is abortion right or wrong?

First of all an attacker is only tried with two counts of murder if the pregnancy is past a point of viability. A person kills a woman who's only 2 months pregnant, they're only being charged with 1 count. As far as the two women question, it's not legal to terminate a pregnancy at 8 months. The majority of abortions take place in the first trimester (under 3months/12 weeks), a small percentage takes place in the second (3-6 months) but those are most often due to severe complications. I can not swear that there is no place in the world that allows 3rd term abortions, but the US definitely does not. An early abortion is removing a developing mass of tissue. It has neither a heartbeat nor brain functions, or any major organ development for that matter. It is not a life, it is a potential life at best. It's not murder because it isn't alive.

I didn't say the U.S. did or did not allow it. I'm referring to the doctors who do it. There is a doctor in California who does it. It has been on the news before. So it does happen and I don't care where it takes place, it's still murder. People can try to justify it to make them feel better about it. I agree with you on the attacker thing but my point was if he or she gets charged like this then why don't these doctors here in the Union get charged and penalized the same way. There is always a loop-hole and it shouldn't be like that. All that aside I really enjoyed your post, you seem very well schooled. Hopefully I will reading more of your stuff.

Oh yeah and one other thing, I asked an OB friend of mine and he said that after 7 days a fetus has a heartbeat even though it can't be heard at that point.

She said it was childish to judge people for their choices, clam.

The Bible also tells how to kill children of conflicting nations so as to populate that area with more of God's chosen people. Sorry, I don't know the passage to give an exact quote or site the verse. But clearly some authors in the Bible didn't value all life either. A child learns what in the womb? And when? Yes at the end of a pregnancy a baby begins to suck it's thumb or turn it's head towards sounds or lights. But that's at the end of a pregnancy not at a time when a termination takes place.

That's not accurate. About 30% of pregnancies end naturally early miscarriages, sometimes without the woman even being aware that she had been pregnant. Of the total number of terminations, the same percentage would have likely ended in miscarriage. And who's to say the woman would survive the pregnancy. What if she's in an abusive relationship & now can not leave her abuser because the pregnancy is making her more dependent on him? Or women living in poverty, who's bodies just aren't nourished enough to support a pregnancy? Even if they survive the pregnancy, they'll have life long consequences for the toll it took on their body. You're right that infertile couples are probably blameless in their condition, but by the same token a fertile woman is also not to blame for being healthy & able to conceive. She does not owe another more "worthy" couple anything because she happens to have working ovaries, tubes & uterus. You don't often hear pro-lifers looking at the other logical side to their arguments. I'm not as heartless as this is going to sound, but let me play devil's advocate for a moment. As often as a PLer will say something to the effect of this (pregnancy) is what a woman deserves for being careless; you'll never hear them saying that the infertile couple is suffering for their carelessness despite the fact that one of the most common reasons for infertility is untreated STDs. You will hear that "pregnancy is a gift from God & women should feel blessed to be pregnant." But you will not hear that "God choose for these couples to be child-free & they should just accept that decision of God's". I don't actually feel that way, and I do sympathize with couples who wish to have children and can not; just as much as I respect that some women become pregnant when they would choose not to be. Neither one is to 'blame' for their predicament & both should be afforded the same rights to do whatever they wish to change their situation.