Are Americans arrogant as far as language?
By Amy
@artemis432 (7474)
Abernathy, Texas
August 20, 2007 3:35pm CST
Many people I know expect people who move or visit here to speak perfect english right away. My mom has traveled the world, including many third world countries. She found two things to be generally true, most require english as a second language - AND americans and many expatriots EXPECT english to be spoken and spoken well and make little effort to learn the language of the country they're guests in. What do you think - are they right to expect thing - wrong? Why?
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@stealthy (8181)
• United States
21 Aug 07
Actually I thought the French were the ones who expected visitors to speak French. America has not imposed English being a second language in other countries, economics has. The best reason for immigrants to learn English in the US is to get ahead more esaily and quickly. Many of those who try to maintain foreign languages in schools, etc. do so because it allows them to maintain power and influence over the emmigrants that they would lose if the immigrants learned English. I expect and hope that immigrants will maintain their heritage and identity in the US, but learning English does not prevent this, if anything it helps them to do so by helping them to get ahead. I haven't run across places in the US where visitors are expected to speak English, but many Americans do not speak other languages because it has not been required of them due to enconomis or other reasons. However, many do speak other languages but which one(s) would you have them choose, German, French, Japanese, Dutch, one of the Chinese dialects, Swahili, you get the idea. On a trip I took to California last fall, I encountered a very nice Japanese couple who did not speak English and, although we could not communicate by language, when I passed them on the stairs which happened several times we had a very pleasant exchange of nods and bows which left me feeling good and with great memories.
@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
21 Aug 07
Stealthy, I really enjoyed your story of your trip to CA, there are ways to communicate, even if we don't speak english.
Economy has guided that imperative. Still its not fair that visiters so arrogantly expect that. I too hope that immigrants will maintain their heritage and identity in the U.S.
My husband and his family came here from Okinawa where he grew up, although he was born in, and his family is Taiwaniese, not Japanese. They all learned English before coming here - but it was easier for them as the kids went to American Schools and their mom was married to an Air Force - pilot - not actually sure - someone in the military and she worked on base in both places. They keep in touch and visit their homeland and his mother speaks the language still. His step dad is american but I'd be interested to find out if he has learned the language.
@HighReed1 (1126)
• United States
21 Aug 07
It may have changed in the last few years, but from our experience the French get VERY snotty if you don't speak French with a good accent.
Needless to say, we didn't make it a habit to go to France while we were in Europe.
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@stealthy (8181)
• United States
22 Aug 07
There were several other foreign visitors at my hotel, but the rest of them spoke english to some degree. Actually one couple was from Australia, but had been living and working in England for five years and their English was enough different from mine that sometimes I had a little trouble with them. Their was an elderly gentleman who was very dressed up all the time compared to everyone else who was in casual clothes and who had been living in France for twenty or so years but who said he was from Persia(Iran) but had left for political reasons. We had a long conversation one morning at the "free" buffet breakfast that when we started he said he wouldn't talk much because his English was not good and then we, mostly he, talked for over 30 minutes.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
20 Aug 07
Unfortunately, Americans are arrogant in many ways. Don't get me wrong, I love my country and believe that no matter who may be our current leader this still is the best nation in the world, but sometimes "we" sometimes get a bit full of ourselves, don't you think? I always used to automatically agree with those who have pushed for English to be made our official language until Hillary Clinton explained in one of the recent debates that IF English were the "official" language there would likely be people not getting necessary medical treatment because there isn't anyone at the hospital to interpret for them. Yes, when someone chooses to move here from another country they should be willing to learn our language but it's not something they can do instantly or overnight. And no one should die because they didn't speak English well enough to tell someone their symptoms! Also, when I was in school there was more emphasis on learning a foreign language than there seems to be today. It's definitely a "small world" today and it's getting smaller. I wish we could...PLEASE pardon the expression...just learn to get along! Hopefully, once we replace our ARROGANT President we can be less arrogant as a nation.
@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
20 Aug 07
I agree with many of your points. However, I didn't quite understand the one about Hilary Clinton. It doesn't make sense. If english were the official language wouldn't that mean that training in english as a second language would be world wide ? I don't agree with that, but if it were the official language would we need interpreters?
Again, I appreciate your response. Have fun!
@Aurone (4755)
• United States
21 Aug 07
Of course Americans are arrogant. But we all knew that already. This is my opinion. I think Americans should make an effort to know a little of the language when they are traveling, but it does make sense that areas that profit from a lot of American tourism might make more money if they speak English. It is also my opinion should one want to move to another country and live (no matter that country be America, Italy, France, India wherever) that one should learn the language before going, or have at least a decent command of it when you go and make a real effort to learn it ASAP. Immigrants to any country should not expect that country to change its language for them.
@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
21 Aug 07
That does make sense. Most of the countries she went to were not known for tourism though. Sri Lanka, Ivory Coast, Senegal, India, Pakistan and the like. Those who went on short or long work stints were usually the ones complaining. Most of Africa does speak Portegeuse or French but these Americans/expatriots didn't bother to learn even when work kept them returning.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
20 Aug 07
I think it's a sign of respect that say if an American does go to a different country they should at least know a few basics of the language of the country they're in, and particularly should master the language if they plan to live there permanently. I do get ticked off however, when people who do move to this country NEVER learn English. My neighbor downstairs from me is a perfect example. Now I don't know how long she's been in this country, but she's been in the building for at least ten years and can hardly speak the most basic of English--yet her son does speak it. You mean in ten years she couldn't have learned some of the language??
On the other flip of the coin I can give you a perfect example of the speak English only attitude as it happened in my own family...my grandmother of Irish ancestors married a person of Spanish/Mexican blood...when he "joined" the family, he was forbidden to speak Spanish since the attitude was hey, you're in America, you must speak English only...now that attitude is completely way off base and wrong to.
A person shouldn't forget their roots or language if they come from another country and move here, but they should also make the effort to learn English as well. No??
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@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
21 Aug 07
Yes, I agree. I do find in my experience, older generations struggle more with the language. I think your story about your grandparents is great. Some will speak two languages in the home, teaching the kids to be bilingual, however - I bet your grandfather learned to speak english very well - and quickly - being completely immersed in it.
Pyewacket, thanks again for another detailed reply.
@HighReed1 (1126)
• United States
20 Aug 07
I think it's stupid to expect someone who just got here to speak perfect english. Heck, there are some people that are BORN here and can't speak perfect english!
I think the ones that move here should at least have a little knowledge of english. If you are going to drive on our streets, you need to be able to read the language. If they plan on staying here, they should learn the language.
When my husband was in the military, we went to Europe. I didn't expect anyone to know english. I learned a little German. Not enough to carry on a long conversation, but enough to get by. I didn't expect the country to cater to us just because we were there. I was the visitor.
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@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
21 Aug 07
Its so true, many born here can't speak well. Driving and being able to read signs is crucial, sad things is, many who can read the signs ignore them!
Sounds like you're a respectful person. And its great that you learned a little German, like you said earlier in your reply, if you move here - or to any new country you should at least have a little knowledge of the language. I think its great that you don't have a double standard and learned a bit of German before moving there for a time.
Thank you for participating and giving a thought out answer. :)
@dvschic (1795)
• United States
21 Aug 07
of course we are arrogant, not just about language (when most of us can barely speak english) then we expect everyone to speak it as well, however, most other countries (industrial) in the world children are expected to be bilingual, we only have to take 2 years of a foreign language to graduate highschool, thats just silly. i took 7 years of spanish and i still continue to study it, i think that the world will eventually be multi-lingual and if you want to suceed in it, you MUST adapt, to think that English is the only way is just silly
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@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
21 Aug 07
Maybe, as much as I wish this to be true, I think we're leaning towards English as the universal language.
@dvschic (1795)
• United States
21 Aug 07
i disagree, california alone is over 50% hispanic and spanish continues to dominate, what the upper class speaks as opposed to what is necessary for business always differs....
u cannot run a business in southern california without speaking spanish. but thats just me
@wilson81 (343)
• Malaysia
21 Aug 07
I didn't think that Americans are arrogant as far as for the English. Beside that, I always have the thought that the US peoples really friendly to me. But, I'm still think that the "body language" is the most universal use language...
@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
22 Aug 07
You're right body language is the most universal language. Not everyone is fluent in this form of communication though.
@mkirby624 (1598)
• United States
21 Aug 07
It's not that we are arrogant, but that we are impatient. We want you to learn english and learn it NOW because we don't want to spend the time to wait for you to slowly get out what your trying to say.
It's the truth, ya know?
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@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
21 Aug 07
Thanks for your honesty - actually as you said, I thought of a childhood friend who even growing into adulthood was soooooooo slow in her speech - highly intelligent - but she took such a long time to get her anwers out.
However, I was born in Brooklyn, practically a foreign country with its own language, and it was her mom that improved my English ten fold. I lost my accent and slang very quickly.
Again, thanks for participating.
@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
21 Aug 07
Oh and part of the arrogance point was that there are americans who expect those who just got here (or are visiting) to speak English, and also expect when they travel that everyone should speak English too.
Thanks again for your reply!
@dsantacruz (556)
• United States
21 Aug 07
Yea it is true. Most americans are ignorant when it comes to such things. People I know think immigrants that speak broken english are stupid, I think this is really ignorant. No one can learn a language instantly. If these same americans would travel to another country most would expect everyone to speak english to them and not learn the native language at all.
@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
22 Aug 07
Right my point exactly - the same Americans who expect people to learn English - even if visitors - quickly travel to other countries - or move there for a time - and don't take the time to learn at least the the rudiments of the language of the country they're in.
English is one of the hardest language to learn. As said, many words sound the same - spelled differently - or same spelling - different pronounciations, words with double meanings, so many rules to grammer as well as exceptiions to rules of grammer, strange plural rules - tooth is teeth - but is booth, beeth? - one goose, one geese, but not one moose, two meese - and many other wacky rules.
We take five years to really gain a substantial vocabulary when born here - and still don't know the rules - five year olds very often will talk in a similiar way - make the same mistakes as a foriegner. Plus as natives, we don't have to deal with a different 'ear' pronouncing things in a certain way - certain sounds not used in their native tongue, different grammer rules - sometimes sentences turned around - er I could go on and on.
@yulinarco (1)
• Philippines
21 Aug 07
It is right to expect to make an effort to be able to speak another language fluent enough for the speaker to convey his ideas clearly and to be understood well enough, but it would be an injustice to replace the native language by some foreign language for internal activities within the country itself.
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