animal rights/human rights
@islandwaves40 (6)
Bahamas
August 29, 2007 12:44pm CST
I am deeply disturbed about how alot of people have made such a commotion over the recent abuse Michael Vick imposed on animals,I condemn every act of abuse and murder of animals too but my question is how is it that he has to spend time in jail over these animals when abortion doctors all over the world gets of scot free?Now thats something to discuss,I mean if a woman wants to kill her child thats her right but she will have to stand before God for that action,but the doctors performing these abortions arent getting their time in jail for the murder of innocent human life and the public wants to run on about dogs being murdered?!!Who has more value? A dog or a Human?...
8 responses
@herrbaggs (1308)
• United States
29 Aug 07
I don't think human live is all that valuable. I would rather feed a stray dog that has no control over its life than some homeless person who made the choice to be one of the dreges of society. People have a choice in life animals don't. Before you get all lathered up on abortion, in a lot of third world countries, abortion is not even on the radar, its a rich mans thing.
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@beckish (641)
• United States
30 Aug 07
Many homeless people are suffering from mental illness; they did not choose to be homeless or be one of the "dregs of society". They ended up on the streets when budgets for community mental health centers were cut. Another example of priorities being messed up; instead we spend our money overseas. I agree that society doesn't particularly consider human life all that valuable; if we did, abortion would not be an okay form of birth control.
@herrbaggs (1308)
• United States
30 Aug 07
Alot of thier mental illness is selfinduced. Homeless living is a preferred life style to a great many so called homeless. There are agreat many books out on reasearch of the homeless problem you might want to pick a few up. The morality of abortion is a matter of opinion. Human intelligence is the most overated commodity on the planet, That is why so many people froth at the mouth over so many pointless discussions. you have my blessing to care for the homeless and picket the abortion clinics. I will just continue to feed and rescue stray and lost animals.
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@HOTKETCHUP3 (181)
• Netherlands
30 Aug 07
I also dont like abortion BUT if there where no abortion there would be a lot of unhappy children in this world.
many people dont do abortion for fun you know but cause they have to.
if a child is not wanted than better dont put it in this world.
and the lil fetus dont know it it is nothing yet.
BUT dogs know they can feel the pain and they dont understand why.......
so I am not agree with you I think a human has no right to hurt animals.
they live to just like us if somebody kick youre bud you say outch so -
why not the dog he has feeling to he can be a mam or a dad to it is not right to hurt any animal thats my point
@beckish (641)
• United States
30 Aug 07
Well I have to disagree with you here, because if there was no abortion there would probably be a lot more happy people in the world because there would be more adoptions. So many people desperately want children and can't have them, and then others use abortion as birth control instead of being responsible for their behavior. We live in a strange world.
@cripfemme (7698)
• United States
31 Aug 07
The point is that abortion is legal in the countries where actual doctors are performing it, but Vick's animal cruelty was illegal where it occured.
@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
30 Aug 07
Abortion is a legal medical procedure. Dog fighting isn't. A fetus is not a baby but a cluster of cells. The fetus feels no pain nor has any knowledge. A Dog fight creates pain in the animal. A fetus is not human. A woman who aborts is not killing a baby. She's ridding herself of an unwanted pregnancy.
Welcome to mylot.
@islandwaves40 (6)
• Bahamas
30 Aug 07
A living cluster of cells that grows into a tiny baby.Pure selfishness rids herself of unwanted pregnancy,if she can enjoy the making of it she ought to well be prepared to raise it.so many other women out there crying to have a baby.how you know the baby dont feel the pain??Your not the one with a suction tube in your brain sucking the life out of you,its been well reported and proven fact that a baby in the womb can feel just weeks after gestation!!!!
@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
30 Aug 07
And where do you get your information? From a well renowned scientific organization or a propogandized pro life group? Sounds like propoganda to me.
I've had 5 kids, one miscarraige and one stillbirth. Two of my children were not planned, but I still wanted them so I let them grow. The bloody tissue that wound up in my toilet with my miscarraige was NOT a BABY. It had no form, no brain, no heart. Do you really believe that a cluster of tissue with no brain can feel pain? That makes no sense.
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@HOTKETCHUP3 (181)
• Netherlands
30 Aug 07
I agree cyntrow you are absolutely right.
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@Savvynlady (3684)
• United States
30 Aug 07
Islandwaves,
First off, welcome to MyLot, and from the looks of things, you are in the thick of things and that is good. I had to think on this thing you asked, and the first thing that keeps coming to mind and will stay at mind is this, A life's a life. Since mankind has been on this earth, man's inhumanity to man has been deplorable. Now it's gone on to the dogs and other animals and it's sad. If we all kept the rule of thumb like this and it's in the Bible too. Treat others as you would like to be treated. plain and simple. Getting into abortion, I will also say this. you mentioning the doctors going to jail for performing the abortions? what about the ones who go there to begin with? just a thought here Of course that goes into a more personal vein. I am not an animal lover, but as long as they stay out of my way, we're straight.same with human beings. And one more thing, more value? to whom? or to what? whom decides? Let me take this to another subject here because I am curious on something. For those folks during Katrina who suffered and the decision came to let the levee be opened to the 9th Ward instead of the tourist areas? was that because they placed more value on one than the other? I don't wish to be mean spirited to you, but I want to know who decides who and what goes? I do apologize for taking this to another level. I mean no harm to you, but as I wrote this, this question came to me. Perhaps someone can answer.
@HOTKETCHUP3 (181)
• Netherlands
30 Aug 07
eeh sorry excuse me there are no babys beeing killed on an abortion its a fetus no baby
@HOTKETCHUP3 (181)
• Netherlands
30 Aug 07
and I forget to say that they take it away not killing it a woman is no killing hole plz
@ZimaMcHotpants (63)
• United States
30 Aug 07
In the grand scheme of things, humans are not more important than animals. We are equal to them. We are not the most successful creatures on the planet because there are animals and organisms that lived long before we were around and long after we destroy the earth and demolish ourselves. (aka insects). You are basing your entire arguement off of a concept almost half of the country doesn't agree with, which means abortion being murder cannot be fact, only an opinion. And in accordance with your opinion, killing those dogs is also murder in the traditional human sense. Killing a mouse is murder. Killing an ant is murder. All multicelled organisms with a cephalized head are mentally more aware than the fetus you are speaking of, and feel pain in the real sense. The fetus feels about as much as the plants in your salad. Multicelled and complicated? yes. Alive? Yes. Mental awareness and sensory perception? Not so much.
@beckish (641)
• United States
30 Aug 07
I think that all living creatures have value, and nothing that kills a helpless living creature - whether animal or human - is okay behavior.
@tiku1977 (664)
• United States
30 Aug 07
It is might is right.All living beings are important . But weaker ones get killed. Even in human society it happens.
