Evolutionary Theory : EVOLVES
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
United States
August 31, 2007 10:47am CST
A major flaw in Darwin's theory has possibly been rectified. What flaw?
Mutations are almost never beneficial. Overwhelmingly, mutations (birth defects, really) are harmful. How can species evolve efficiently in such a manner? Many people have wondered about this.
Surely, there must be some other mechanism by which changes in a species genome can be modified. There is! Read about the intial discovery here.
http://www.rochester.edu/news/show.php?id=2963
This discovery is far too new for an appreciation to understand all of what is going on, but it is clear that evolutionary theory is going to be upgraded as more is learned about this interspecies transfer of genomes.
What do you think? Is this neat or what? Any inspired ideas for a science fiction story? Let's hear'um!
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@jenthsenth (16)
• United States
13 Jul 08
This so called "flaw" is not really a flaw. It is not believed by the current scientific community that mutations are supposed to be beneficial. I just turns out that some of them are. Also, it's quite evident that humans may not have had a beneficial one yet, as there is nothing evolved to a further extent. Birth defects are sufficient proof of mutation as one of the factors by which evolution occurs. There are other means by which it happens. Evolution is not geared towards making a species the "ultimate species" or even better for that matter. It is rather that mutations either make a species more (or less!) fit for the current environment. As the environment and other factors change, so does the species. Species only evolve to the extent of being called new species once they are no longer able to produce viable offspring with the species from which they came. In other words, only if the mutation were to produce something that would hinder the species from producing offspring with the species from which it came would it be considered a new species. This does not mean, however, that it would survive longer OR even produce offspring. Also, the fact that interspecies transfer of genomes occurs is not a huge new mystery. This happens with plants all the time. It's how we create hybrid plants. The only "new" discovery in 2007 was the frequency with which this occurs. This also doesn't disprove mutations in any way. In fact, it may be more evidence for them. In fact, when gene transfer happens between species, it is still technically a mutation. We do it with bacteria all the time. It occurs via transduction and transformation. Spontaneous mutations have also been "witnessed" and are not a flaw in the theory.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
13 Jul 08
I understand everything you have explained. I agree with it. You have not understood my explanation of the 'flaw' in Darwin's theory. Let's start with a quote from your response.
"It is not believed by the current scientific community that mutations are supposed to be beneficial. I just turns out that some of them are."
Completely totally 100% correct. Anyone who thinks otherwise is too simple minded to even begin to understand science much less do any theorizing. Nature has no intentions whatsoever towards mutations. They just happen without any intent.
The flaw in the theory is the ratio in real life of how many mutations actually turn out to be beneficial compared to how many do not. Many believe the ratio of beneficial to not beneficial (even fatal) mutations is so small as to seriously bring into question whether evolution could work fast enough to help a species survive a changing environment. Not that evolution does not occur. Obviously species do evolve. It is just the role of evolution may not be as clear cut and simple as we first thought.
I hope this helps explain my hypothesis as to a possible flaw in Darwin's theory and the need for the theory to be expanded. Also, I only present this as a hypothesis, not a fact.
BTW: People a lot smarter than me acknowledge this is a problem with the theory of evolution.
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
13 Jul 08
Okay, I just read your response for about the 3rd time and now I understand where we have misunderstood each other, I think.
Not too long ago I read Darwin's orginal book "The Origin of the Species". That theory has a flaw in it. I understand by reading your response, the 'flaw' I mention has already been corrected for in modern theory of evolution. So, to me, there was a 'flaw'. To you who is much more up to date with what is going on in biology, there was not a 'flaw'. I see now that you are correct. Thanks for the update.
@Camellia_Sinensis (93)
• Australia
18 Sep 07
Lateral gene transfer isn't a particularly new theory.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
18 Sep 07
Thanks, for the info. It was new to me, so I appreciate the update. Sounds like you know more about this that you could educate us about. We are all ears. Fill us in. :-)
@Camellia_Sinensis (93)
• Australia
18 Sep 07
Well, bacteria are particularly good at gene transfer. When under stress they will accept pieces of DNA from their environment, obviously an advantageous mutation.
The reason that mutations appear to be non random to you is that you only see the successful mutations. It only takes one mutation that gives an advantage in a particular environment for an individual to have significant success and for that reason the gene will quickly become successful in the population.
A good example of what I'm trying to say is sickle cell anaemia. At first, it seems like a deleterious mutation. But, in malaria areas it makes heterozygous individuals (and their children) have a significant advantage. A random mutation that would under normal circumstances be deleterious is more successful in a particular environment with certain selective pressures.
@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
2 Sep 07
Well yes, the evolutionary theory would change... after all, evolution is change.
On the other hand, Creation is unchanging and much more than a mere theory.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
2 Sep 07
Yes, creation is more than a theory. It is a certainity. Afterall, we are all here, we must have been created! It always amazes me anyone would disagree with that.
I view evolution as the tool God uses to update his creation. It's the same as if man could write software that rewrote and updated itself. That's what God did. Created some software (life) that updates itself to changing conditions without requiring any effort on His part. Pretty neat, eh?
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