Does this scare anyone else?
By nehrlas
@nehrlas (202)
United States
September 12, 2007 3:36pm CST
I am afraid that tomorrow when the President speaks, he is going to lay ground for invading Iran. If he does this before he leaves office, he is setting up the next president for disaster. But the thing that scares me the most, is who he is going to anger. Sounds as if Russia is starting to get mad. We know that China doesn't like us. I am fairly sure that most of the Middle East would like to see us defeated. Who is on our side now? I fear the worst should we invade Iran. Is anyone else afraid?
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
13 Sep 07
If we ever decide to invade Iran, I believe the soonest it would happen is after the next president takes office.
There are still many things that can be done diplomatically before an invasion or even an attack would be deemed necessary, unless Iran gets stupid and then attacks us first.
You would be okay with the idea that we defend ourselves if we were attacked...or would you be afraid that might make someone mad at us?
Just so you know...there are countries and factions in the Mideast that have been mad at us for a very long time...mostly because of our support for Israel... and Iran is one of them.
Do you not think that the last president set us up for disaster by his bombing campaign against Iraq throughout most of his presidency?
Did you not know that we were planning on invading Iraq for a very long time, and that bombing campaign was designed to wear down Iraq's military defenses sothe invasion would be easier to accomplish?
Are you not aware of the Iraq Liberation Act that was signed in 1998 by Clinton in order to eliminate the threat of Saddam's WMD's that we know he had...not only because he had used them against the Kurd's, but we knew he had them because we supplied them to him?
Did you not realize that this was not a mere invasion...it was actually the enforcement of a ceasefire because Saddam refused to honor the conditions of that ceasefire?
Are you also not aware that Bush put the question of the Iraq invasion to Congress, and Congress overwhelmingly approved it?...and as such, the question of impeachment is not even an issue...were you aware of that as well?
Then there was the vast majority of Americans who favored the invasion... but as time went on... and the reality of war sank in then Americans began to lose their resolve and even question why we were there in the first place.
People are calling it a civil war....the trouble is that this civil war is being fought by foreign terrorists against both the US forces and also against the government that the Iraqi people elected and voted into existence.
The people fighting us in Iraq are some of the same people that are responsible for 9-11....and I believe Bush when he says we are better off fighting them there than having them attack us here.
You had better hope that the next president is as strong of a leader as Bush is, because if they aren't then you may have some real reasons to be afraid.
Were will you hide then?
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
13 Sep 07
Congress' approval rating is even lower than Bush's is, and that is the democrat led Congress.
The WMD's WERE there, it wasn't only our intelligence services that said so, it was also the UN and the 17 sanctions that they imposed...along with several others.
Even Hillary agreed, going so far as to saying that she had independent information for making her decision to approve the invasion.
Hiding is not going to make problems go away, they will only get worse, and far too many people believe we should just hide.
You say that you can't blame the actions and tactics of a present leader on previous presidents yet in your first post you said "I am afraid that tomorrow when the President speaks, he is going to lay ground for invading Iran. If he does this before he leaves office, he is setting up the next president for disaster."
You have just contradicted yourself.
The reality is that each president sets the stage for every president that follows him.
There are so many people that think a presidents influence begins and ends only during the time they are in office.
This of course is incorrect, unrealistic and totally absurd.
Bush isn't the one who made an enemy of bin Laden and set us up for the attack of 9-11.
I think the Bush Bashers need to get over themselves and take a look at reality, because this terrorist problem is going to be around for many years to come, and could stretch into many generations.
There is no "new direction" as you call it unless you want to start learning Muslim customs.
These people are talking about world domination under Muslim rule, or did you somehow miss that part?
Anyone who thinks that Bush leaving office is somehow going to make us safer is fooling themselves, because it won't.
Be wary of those calling for an immediate and total troop withdrawal because they don't know what they are talking about, and they don't have the experience or knowledge necessary to lead this country....nor do they understand how big of a threat we are facing.
@alstaxidermy (269)
• United States
12 Sep 07
oh boy does it ever! it terrifies me to think of what may happen in the next year or so. i honestly believe that 9/11 was allowed to happen just to give him something to do (you know, all that terrorist hunting and such) and i think that now since he can no longer be in office and sees that all of his buddies and his daddies buddies are slowly being strong armed out of a job (if we pul out of iraq halliburton and other major corps. are SOL) well, he's throwing a temper tantrum like any child would and is out to make the next four years hell for anyone who comes behind him. The saddest thing is that we worry about who he is going to make angrynext, and yet no one here seems to be getting angry enough for our own selves. if the american people got mad enough and did something about it, we maybe could change the situation, but until then, well, i say more and more evry day that canada looks better and better to me. anywhere but here, because i really don't wanna be here when the world turns around and bites our country in the a$$!! that's what is gonna happen, but all of the polticians are tooscared or lazy or whatever to stand up and do something, so where does that leave us? Yup, canada sounds more pleasant all of the time.
@nehrlas (202)
• United States
12 Sep 07
I agree totally! I am joining a group downtown on Sunday's to protest. Hopefully I can get a few friends to join me and grow this movement. If anyone is in the Chicago area, the group gathers in front of the Field Museum every sunday apparently.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
12 Sep 07
"Yup, canada sounds more pleasant all of the time. "
So hurry up and go already, I'll buy you the ticket.
Your post is so full of baseless cliche's and generic rehtoric that I can not possibly take any of it seriously. And you realy lost me after you decided you hated your own nation enough that you'd rather leave it than fight for it, either against a policy you don't like or against an enemy already sworn to kill us. "i say more and more every day that canada looks better and better to me. anywhere but here, because i really don't wanna be here when the world turns around and bites our country in the a$$!"
You go ahead and hide your cowardly butt in canada, if someone decides to come here and "bite us in the @$$" there will be plenty of people here with 1000 times more character and honor than people like you to defend this nation so people like you can still rant and rave about how evil this it is.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
12 Sep 07
nehrlas, you at least get kudos for sticking around and doing something instead of hightailing it out of here. When you protest, just make sure you base it in sound arguments and not clihe's and buz-phrases. do your homework and make sure you understand what you are protesting. And don't forget either, that people in iram would not have the freedom to do this very same thing.
@candiec2005 (828)
• United States
13 Sep 07
This is the first time I hear this. I hope it's not true. That's the last thing we need! All this war is non-sense. And I also think that we as the people can really do something about it but a lot of people think that nothing we do can possibly change what's going on, no matter how much we complain. I disagree! Nothing changes because we aren't doing anything about it. We're just allowing it.
@dbmax41 (585)
• United States
5 Nov 07
My whole family-alot of us are glad we have Bush doing exactly what hes doing. Knowledge is power and history tells a whole other picture. We just cant keep paying these people to leave us alone. It wont work. So many of our diplomatic properties have been destroyed. So many Americans have lost their lives before Iraq even started.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
12 Sep 07
Were anything like that to happen , it wouldnt be for quite a while. Even then, it would be an air campaign probably to take out the nuke facilities. So I would imagine if ya dont work at a nuke facility there yer all set. In all honesty, lets examine whats been happening over there. These guys have been sending troups and arms in to iraq to go after our troops for a while now, this is not just adminsitration babble, this is guys on the ground saying it. Iranian soldiers and groups have been captured woith iranian weapons. So, to my way of thinking, they truly did start this one. Very different scenario from iraq, this one we can honstly say our troups were attacked first. Over all I think we have been very restrained in our response to their actions. But sooner or later, if they don't stop, something will have to be done. I think for right now though we already have our hands full so it's a distant possiblity only.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
13 Sep 07
**"see...this parallels yet another part of history. let's think...iraq wnt into kuwait wrongfully, we went over there on kuwaits behalf (in part anyways) so how is the fact that we are now in iraq (as i am sure iranians feel WRONGFULLY) and they are going overto help out their buddies any different?**"
like this. when we went in to kuwait it was at the request of the government of kuwait and the middle eastern countries. In fact, Bin laden offered his "services" to the government of kuwait after iraqs invasion of that country but they turned him down flat. IRAN is there interfering in an operation that is WANTED by the government of iraq and the Iraq government DOES NOT want Iran in there. Thats how it's different.
*"and i think that if they feel terrorists are in iran that is where they will try to go next, if for nothing else than to justify what they did in iraq."*
Um, they are and NO ONE including Iran disputes that. Iran is litteraly the biggest backer of extreme islamic militant groups on the planet. They freely admit to backing hezbolah, who I will add has killed enough americans to be second only to al quieda.
@alstaxidermy (269)
• United States
12 Sep 07
see...this parallels yet another part of history. let's think...iraq wnt into kuwait wrongfully, we went over there on kuwaits behalf (in part anyways) so how is the fact that we are now in iraq (as i am sure iranians feel WRONGFULLY) and they are going overto help out their buddies any different? and no, i don't think they'd end everything with airstrikes, and i don't think that the bush administration would see it as our hands are too full to go over there to iran - we're awfully close already, it's almost easier to get to iran then america as far as relocating the troops there plus, if you stop to think about it, nothing stopped us in WWII from attacking two completely far apart, geographically speaking, countries, so why woul our hands be too full for iran and iraq?? this current government doesn't think reasonably, they just do things to do it all in the name of striking down "terror" and i think that if they feel terrorists are in iran that is where they will try to go next, if for nothing else than to justify what they did in iraq. lord knows they don't even mention afghanistan anymore and until just recently when was the last time we heard from osama?? yup, they're setting things up to get even worse and seeking for ways to justify everything
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@sinister6972 (15)
• United States
13 Sep 07
I would recommend just live your life and don't worry what our president will have to do. War is not a pretty thing and I think us(Americans) shouldn't have to worry because we have a family to take care of. I magine if we have to worry about every little thing???? I don't think that's a life....In the meantime, you shouldn't be worried what our government has to do. Why??? Because they have been doing this for over 200 years...
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
13 Sep 07
Well, said. As much as I pay attention and follow national and international affairs, my everyday thoughts are of things like "I've got to go grovery shopping this afternoon" "I have to get up at 6 so I can go to work tomarrow" "My daughter had a form I need to fill out for school, oh and she needs 5 bucks for an event there too"......
Yes weve been doin it for over 200 years and only one military attack on our soil since the revolutionary war. Then there are the individual state militias, not the regular amry, navy or even the national guard, the private citizen militias that exist in every state as outlined in our constitution. They are not only a last defense foriegn enemies, but a defense against our own government if it goes corrupt. We may get a black eye from time to time, or even a 9/11, but this country will stand and will remain ours. Honestly, i feel safe.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
13 Sep 07
I think you would see a fast rise up of these groups if things start comming undone. thats what they exist for and they are all very passionate about what they are defending, the constitution. Look them up, every state has one, most states have several and they all have pretty much the same purpose and mission.
@cricketer2020 (12)
• Czech Republic
13 Sep 07
No one is mad at you, You have friends all over the world. India has now sided with you, which is crucial because you will need a power in Asia to take on Iran and maybe even China. The simple fact is the United States has intervened in to many international affairs using their military might, due to which many countries have disagreed with ur military steps, and that disagreement has turned into a slight bit of aggravation from some countries which is interpreted by the U.S. as foreign political anger. Besides even if there are countries that have a problem with you, then you can easily manage it, you've got the biggest defense budget on the planet and many other cards up your sleeve in order to protect the U.S. and its citizens. So if I were you then I would not be afraid I would simply be aware (like how u are now) about the issues in foreign nations with U.S. intervention.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
13 Sep 07
India had been a friend of the U.S. for a long time and I am truly gratefull for it. The perception is that the world at large despises the US. and this is feuled by the constant blather from many people. The myths about us that float around out there that many people swollow up and repeat as pure facts. Helll, a lot of people in the worls actualy believe we CAUSED the christma tsunami in asia and india a few years ago. That kind of perception is very hard to fight, especialy when we have nut jobs in our own country who think nothing of going on national tellevision and on foriegn tellevision and say hateful things about THEIR OWN COUNTRY. Many countries in the world would consider it treason do do things like that, but we allow it because we have the right to say these things granted by our constitution. If we don't allow one thing, we have to not allow it all. It's a trade off. I just wish people in my country would at least think before they open their mouths and take some responsability in their words. I wish they would REALLY think about the impact their words have on us around the world.
@ctrymuziklvr (11057)
• United States
13 Sep 07
lol...to be honest it scares me every time Bush opens his mouth to talk. You are so right about the state of affairs he is going to leave for our next president. Yes, the idea that we are going to be in big trouble before he gets out of office really does scare me.
@season0907 (671)
• India
31 Oct 07
I dont think there will be an invasoin on Iran. Because what happend in Iraq is well known to the world.There will be pressure and sanction that may take place. But defenitely not war. Russia and China will put pressure on US to negotiate with Iran. I think U.S will not take this
disastrous step keeping their economy in mind.