Occult and Priest Having Visions
By kayakalp
@kayakalp (272)
India
October 11, 2007 11:49am CST
Hi Friends,
Need Your help, Especially from catholic friends. I am in dilemma and it has to be resolved.
First Part: I know few priests, who claim that they have visions from GOD and they can see future. So if you want to marry someone and want to know whether you would be happy together or not, just attain the fraternity prayer and towards the end of the prayer, priest can listen to your prayer (even without listening to your prayer) and resolve your query. They state that they have got this answer directly from the GOD thru visions. If you are not blessed with child, attain this prayer and you would be blessed with a child.
Second Part: I also read that catholic churches are against Occults. Any kind of approach, let it be visions, astrology, numerology etc to know the future is termed as 'Prostiution against the GOD' and the person who does this should be stoned to death.
Now can you please explain me this? Whats the truth. How these priest are different from being an occultionists?
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7 responses
@blueinferno2001 (100)
• Indonesia
2 Dec 07
it's how they make use of their vision is what differs them from the ones you call occultionists. when priests misuse their function as God's servant, they are no different than occultionists.
let's use an example from your story. on the first case, the priest should not directly said that you'll be happy with your spouse or not, because only God knows that and by determining your happiness, he did something only God should do. Instead, he could say "you need to think over about this relationship" or "Don't rush into, take some more time to know each other" or maybe if he visions something good he could say "If you feel comfortable and you are ready to live together, go ahead". Even a priest should not judge someone's future on his visions.
On the second case, the priest should not guarantee that the couple will surely blessed with a child. Again, that is not of his authority. It's HIS. It's wonderful if after the prayer meeting then the couple is blessed with a child. But if that happens, that is not of the priest's power. It's God's.
When somebody takes over the glory which should be God's, they're not at God's side.
So, these priests are different from being an occultionists when they know the boundaries of how far they may interfere with other's life and not taking over what become God's authorities
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@kayakalp (272)
• India
3 Dec 07
blueinferno
Thanks for your reply...
U mean to say that priests in today's world do really get visions!!!!thats astonishing!!!!
Anyways, if the priest are getting vision that a couple is not going to happy together, dont u think they should also tell the reason...so that may b the couple may work it out together...jus sayin u cannot do that cuz its against god's wish is jus so not accapetable....can u also tell me why god would be even bothered whether who is getting married to whom...he has so many other things to look after....
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@kayakalp (272)
• India
4 Dec 07
blueinferno
thanks for your elaboration...
However, if sumbdy cannot give u d root cause of your problem, he doesnt have d right to show the problem...I think then marriage counsellors and psychiatirst are much better then GOD then. They have saved so many marriages and life...
Atelast they would reply to alll your query till ur questions get exhausted...and u r satisfied with the ans.
It look likes God must be very irresponsible if he shows that something is wrong, but is not able to point you the right reason or right direction, in this case, on moral grounds he doesnt have the right to say what he wants and what he doesnt wants...its just not ethical...
If God can control all the minute things on his world, how come he cannot control terrorism, how come he cannot control tsumani and earth quakes which take away life of millions for no reason!!????
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@blueinferno2001 (100)
• Indonesia
5 Dec 07
marriage counsellors and psychiatrists are not a better problem solver compared to God. if their solutions are not based on God's will, then it would seem to look like a good solution for a short period of time, and it might rise a worse problem in the future. because humans can only give roughly estimated details about what we will become, but God knows exactly our future and He already made plans for us to lead a prospectful, abundant and blessed life. He knows what's best!
It's okay to seek help and suggestions from counsellors, maybe we can hope God to speak to us through the counsellor. that's okay. the thing is, our main source of help should come from God only.
He didn't control all those bad things because He respects what He's given to us, like I said before, that is free will. So God let bad things happen? Yes! There's a common answer that bad things happen to make a better condition, and it's true. Maybe this is hard to accept. It'll go deeper about faith.
If you really want to know how a sushi tastes like, the best way is to eat it right?
If you seriously want to know all the answers, you might want to start opening your mind and heart, nothing heavy to do as a start, just open your mind. Maybe you don't believe in God at the moment, but try to speak your questions even it's only in your mind, and because He's alive, I'm sure there will be a response
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
4 Dec 07
That's the point I've stressed.
There's not really so much seperating the church's practices (looked down upon or no) and the occult.
Mind, I don't agree that the occult as a whole is a bad thing. I believe that prayer is the simplest form of magick.
For so many people the occult brings a happy life.
But the church...
Well. I'm not gonna try to convince anyone of anything.
Everyone's entitled to their own beliefs.
And the only way to find the truth is to look for it yourself, taking anyone else's word for it...no matter how reliable it seems, is somewhat..naive and misguided, though amiable in a way that..not many people can take such leaps of faith.
Especially on the off chance, that they might be wrong.
But each of us can only find what we believe to be the truth for our ownselves.
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@kayakalp (272)
• India
4 Dec 07
paranoiax...
thanks for your reply...
I agree with you...if u check the best response for this discussion, it states the only way its different is cuz priest have the license to do it...
Such instances make people weak as a human and make them dependent on things or rather people which is not required at all.....
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@luzamper (1357)
• Philippines
12 Oct 07
The Holy Bible says that in the time past God spoke through the prophets in dreams and in visions but nowadays God speaks through His Son our Lord Jesus Christ. And our Lord has His testament and that is the New Testament through which God speaks to men. Therefore, whatever people would like to know, they should refer to the Holy Bible and not believe whoever who claim to have spoken with God through visions.
@urbandekay (18278)
•
2 Dec 07
First I should say I am not a Catholic, much of Catholosism owes little to scripture. Secondly, that I am not sure if I fully understand your question. But there is certainly a big differance between someone, be it priest of layman, that recieves vision or instruction from God and an Occultist that seeks to harness supernatural power, of what ever form, for their own ends. The former recieves and seeks nothing, the latter seeks to command.
all the best urban
@urbandekay (18278)
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2 Dec 07
The important differance is that one is seeking power and power corrupts the other is following not one's own will but that of God. One cannot be humble and seek to command but to be humble is to submit to the will of God.
all the best urban
@kayakalp (272)
• India
2 Dec 07
urbandekay,
thanks for your reply...
What difference does it makes whether you are using your supernatural power or instructions from the god.
Occult also includes horoscopes, astrology etc, which involves lil science and lil calculation but they cannot be replied upon too.
But priest having visions that too only during fraternity prayers and just having vision about future is really eerie...doesnt make any sense to me at all...
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@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
11 Oct 07
Hi kayakalp, I am not Catholic, but have studied about them and from what you say here, there is no difference, sounds like they are playing in the wrong field if you know what I mean..
@Hakusik (55)
• Poland
13 Oct 07
In my country Priest explain: Occult come down from Satan, spiritism, astrology, numerology etc. In Bible we can read
Deuteronomy 18:10-14
Context
"18:10 There must never be found among you anyone who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, 1 anyone who practices divination, 2 an omen reader, 3 a soothsayer,4 a sorcerer, 5 18:11 one who casts spells, 6 one who conjures up spirits, 7 a practitioner of the occult, 8 or a necromancer. 9 18:12 Whoever does these things is abhorrent to the Lord and because of these detestable things 10 the Lord your God is about to drive them out 11 from before you. 18:13 You must be blameless before the Lord your God. 18:14 Those nations that you are about to dispossess listen to omen readers and diviners , but the Lord your God has not given you permission to do such things."
@aussiedream (272)
• China
12 Oct 07
Whether one believes in God or not is merely a private taste and spirit worship. To ascertain if God exists or there should be God does not make any difference. Just keep your personal faith, that's it.
