Tell me why homosexuality is wrong without useing the word "God"

Your response is very respectfull and I am taking it in the spirit that it was presented, and I truely do appreciate your opinion on the matter :) I am however curious as to why you see is unnatural between two men, but not between two woman. Dont worry I will not attack you for your views (I agree with you on"to each his own") but I am interested in what brings you to the conclusion that gender is the deciding factor on whats natural and what is not. Again, I promise not to attack your views, but this is this is the first time I have heard of such a claim. Im sure you arent the only one who feels that way, I just want to know the rational behind your thinking. Thank you so much for participating... Im sure we have alot to learn from each other and I am glad to see you have an open mind!

"If you want to be with a woman, then be with one, why be with a woman who acts and carries herself as a man?.... " I think my problem with this statement is that you are narrowing the idea of what a woman or a man is. *thinks* I am very feminine in some ways, and very masculine in others. I have been told I am "butch" but I have also been told I am "cute". I don't consider myself mentally or spiritually male or female so much, just a person. *shrugs* However, I am physically female, and aware of that. So I would say "I am a woman". So if a woman were with me, she would be with a woman, not with a "woman who acts like a man" or some such.

OMG Lecanis, I know you of all people didnt find offense to anything I just said. I said I dont understand it, I NEVER said it was wrong, and repeatedly said how I TRULY feel TO EACH HIS OWN, its not for me to to decide, I simply said I dont understand. How can you have a problem with what I said?

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I felt the sudden need to remind you how much I love you, Cyntrow. =P Very well said here. I always love seeing your view in these types of discussions, because you're the type of Christian I respect. In fact, you're the type of Christian that reminds me I don't have to automatically be afraid of people just because they are Christian! =P

You are the kind of christian this world needs more of. The kind who loves the sinner but hates the sin :) I guess thats what I have in common with Christians. I love them, and I love the message of Jesus Christ. Its a beautiful religion, indeed. I just dont love how some... dare i say most... christians feel the need to look at me as a second class citizen because I do not agree with thier opinion on my life style because ultimatly, its no ones business but my own. The reason I posed this question is because in America there is a seperation of church and state. I am trying to prove that when you take religious views out of the equation, there is no logical reason why homosexuals relationships should not hold equal ground with heterosexual couples. Thank you so much for your thoughts. I would think your view of love an respect is deffinatly what Jesus Christ had in mind for his people :)

Actualy, God didn't say it was wrong. Gay men and women were made that way by God. It was man who said it was wrong and man continues to do so today.

That is Elshaddai's standard answer. I don't think that he/she would breathe unless he/she thinks that God told them to. I'm not trying to make fun. People like this scare me.

I knew most people couldnt do it. Thanks for proving my experiment correct :)

That's such a crock, Drumman and I'm pretty sure you know it. To say that, is to say that all people who don't share your so-called Christian beliefs are bad people who would just assume kill you as wave to you. It's a crock. Many people of other faiths and no faith at all live good lives and treat others with respect and decency.

Laws. Society has laws in place, friend. I dont know what country you are from but in America there is supposedly a seperation of church and state. If you take religion out of the picture, who is to say that two consenting adults who want to share thier lives together shouldnt be allowed to? And before I hear you say that means anyone can do what they want there is a HUGE difference between two people in love living quiet peacfull lives, and a psycopath who goes around eating babies. Thats what laws are for.

Ok, look, I'm not saying if you are not a Christian then by default you must be an immoral, murduring, stealing, corrupt member of society. I am saying, however, that you could be and that would be okay. What would be wrong with it?

You should do some research on this subject. For years there was a perception that HIV is a "gay disease" and that is a very deadly assumption. Check your statistics. Like I said earlier the highest number of new HIV cases in this day and age is hetersexual african american females. And again, you will need more valid points than "its gross" to hold any credibility in this discussion.

Seahorse, I was just curious. Do you think you could give me a list of Do's and Dont's? I would really like to see this. Possibly Im doing something that is a dont in my life and by all means I would like for you to tell me that Im doing it. You did say, and I quote, "it is just one of many wrong things people do, I'm not perfect thats just not of the wrong things I do." So wheres this list? I was never presented with it, so PLEASE pass it on! Bay xx

He didn't say natural. He said wrong.

Look again he said "unnatural and wrong". So I merely responded with my thoughts as to why it is unnatural. I think it's wrong because it's unnatural, and I find the thought of two men together disgusting. I also find the thought of two women together disgusting. But that's just me. Anyone else is certainly entitled to find the thought of those to be enchanting! Still never mentioned religion. In fact I agree with not wanting religion to be the deciding factor on people thoughts of this and many other things for that matter.

It's also quite natural in many places to just up and kill people for small disputes, to rape young women, to eat fellow humans. It is however quite natural to be heterosexual. There would be no f-ing human race otherwise. How could you possibly argue the nature of our bodies? Yeah sure there are always groups in every part of nature that goes against the natural tendencies, some less grand than others in deviance, but still there are always some that go against nature. It is not natural, if it was then guys would have the ability to get pregnant by *ssf*cking.