Are the Enviornmentalist going to distroy this country?
By bobmnu
@bobmnu (8157)
United States
October 24, 2007 11:04am CST
I heard a news report where an experienced Smoke Jumper and forestry expert stated that part of the reason for the intensety of the California fires is that the Enviromentalist have successfully banned the practice of controlled burns in CA and also have many of the shrubs and trees on the protected list so home owners can't remove the fire harzards from around their homes. If this is true then something has to be done.
The other disturbing report I heard was that in New Orleans the Army Corp of Engineers wanted to install reverse flood gates in Lake Ponchutrain to prevent the lake from flooding the city in the case of a large hurricane but were stopped because of the POTENTIAL of salt water upsetting the marine life in the lake.
If this is true then somethiing needs to be done because we are giving the envirolementist too much power and it is causing extream harm and damage to the people. Growing up in New York state I remember when Lake Eire caught on fire and all the experts said it was a dead lake and was a toxic cesspool that could never recover. They were wrong. Maybe the time has arrived for us to rethink some of the EPA rules and regullations. What do you think.
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@highflyingxangel (9225)
• United States
24 Oct 07
I don't think the environmentalists are destroying this country. For one, people are all about destroying. Environmentalists are trying to conserve what we have left. People automatically want to chop down perfectly good trees, and kill living things, simply because they interfere with their lives in some way, simply because they want a huge amount of comfort. If people hadn't continously cut down trees, and killed all sorts of creatures, we wouldn't have to say,"No, you can't cut down this species of tree," or "No, this can't be built because an endangered species uses this land." People always want to place blame other places, when in reality some of the blame should be taken upon themselves.
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
24 Oct 07
For one thing the logging companies replant every tree they cut down. They have to because it is good Business Practice and will get them a profit. You do not hear about that. In Notheren Wisconsin we have more land under protection than at any time and there is still a call for the state to buy more land. Two years ago we were facing a budget crisis and the Governor wanted to increase our stewatdship fund by the cost of inflation plus 5%. This was seen as a cut and the environmentalist went wild. They wanted him to increas taxes and buy more land. Zit is an unfair burden on these countys bcuase they have to pay more in property taxes because these lands are removed from the tax rolls.
The US has more forests now than wehn Columbus landed and the environlmentist are still not happy.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
24 Oct 07
Do I think the environmentalists are going to destroy this country? No, I don't, but I do think the destruction of this country is going to come about because of extremists of one form of another. Because there definitely are environmenatlists who make some pretty far-out demands there are others who tend to lump all of us who are concerned about the environment into that group and that is NOT accurate or fair. The same could be said of those who argue with the environmental extremists, there will be those who will then accuse them of wanting to pollute the air and water, etc. at will! The same could be said about every issue that faces us. The extremists on either side of an issue make those of us who are somewhere on either side but closer to the center look bad. Whatever does ultimately destroy us will be something in the extreme, whatever it turns out to be.
Annie
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
25 Oct 07
I can't argue with you there, it seems the main ingredient missing in so many facets of life is common sense. If everyone - or at least a majority of us - had some we wouldn't have many of the problems we have in this world...lol Unfortunately, it isn't something that can be taught and it doesn't even have a heck of alot to do with education or intelligence. I've known some highly intelligent people with multiple degrees who didn't have an ounce of common sense when it came to the simplest things. For the record, I care about the environment and I love animals but some of these laws are beyond ridiculous.
Annie
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
24 Oct 07
Are the environmentalists saying anything about the clear cutting of forests which goes on? I don't hear about this. Do they pick and choose which causes to get behind and which not? and why I wonder..
- I would say the extremist environmentalists are endangering people.. As I think of a lot of folks as being environmentally conscious.. But I think we're talking about the same folks. Some environmentalists and some vegetarians are some of the least tolerant and most violent people around.. I'd say "I don't get that" - but I do! It's human nature! And to me it seems as though all groups are equally in error and equally to blame (for life as we know it, etc).
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
25 Oct 07
I am fortunate to own some wild land in Wisconsin and I have a forest management plan based upon ow I wat to use the land. My land use plan is for hunting and recreation. Clear cutting is required for part of my land and it is done to attract wild life and to give the next generation of forwith a chance to grow. I am doing what nature would do with a forest fire only no one will be hurt and the timber will be used and not lost. The logger will comein and cut all marketable timber. Then I have to go through and cut all trees 2 inches in diamater and smaller. This allows for new growth which is what the wild life will come in and eat. It looks terirable for the first few years but soon you begin to see new growth and new trees. In an oak or maple woods there is not much brush because the large trees shade and prevent some of the rain from getting to new growth. I see my slef as helping nature do its thing with out wasting the resource.
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@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
24 Oct 07
Yes we had the same problems with the enviromentalist in Australia. We are prevented from clearing and remove fire hazards around our homes.
I guess it is done to prevent urban housing taking the bush over and turning it into a concrete jungle. This would happen for sure if it was not controlled... and there would be nothing left in 100 years time.
But at the end of the day... the buck stop with the government. The government makes the law... not the enviromentalists.
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
25 Oct 07
Environment extremists are the problem with all of the laws and activism that they are involved in with no regard to common sense, as others have pointed out.
Something else to consider is the economic damage that will be done by the whole Global Warming fiasco.
The government... and governments around the world... are poised to waste massive amounts of money in the pursuit to battle something that man has absolutely no control over.
While eliminating pollution as much as possible is desirable and a good thing... trying to stop Global Warming is a waste of money, time, and assets.
We can no more stop Global Warming then we can change the energy output of the sun.
I think we have become far too regulated, and the EPA has become more of a hindrance then a help by passing a lot of laws with little or no scientific basis.
Their actions have been more of knee-jerk reaction then anything really useful.
There are a lot of things that should be reconsidered.
@angemac23 (2003)
• Canada
25 Oct 07
I'm with the environemtnatlists on a lot of things. W e have to EVERYTHING we can to help save this planet. In the example of the reverse flood gates in New Orleans, I agree with not letting the water in if it will hard the marine life. Just because we are humans and think that we are better than every other creature in the planet doesnt mean that we we are...we're just bullies who kill and main other wildlife for our gain because we think that other creatures dont have as much right to live as we do. People have known for many decades that New Orleans will continue to flood during large storms, so why don't they live somewhere else. Just my opinion. In about this issue with banning controlled burns, I dont know much about any of that, but I think that people should be allowed to get rid of any fire hazards around their homes as long as it is not harming the environment.
@venkatcse (234)
• India
25 Oct 07
Not only CA, but the Whole earth in danger.The Global warming is on one side and the pollution rising on the other
