New Age vs. Religion
By Leca
@lecanis (16647)
Murfreesboro, Tennessee
October 27, 2007 10:45am CST
I wasn't sure whether to put this under "religion" or something like "book shopping" but it's something that has bothered me for years.
In almost any bookstore I've been in, you look in the section called "religion" and find books about the Judeo-Christian religions, and maybe if you're lucky something about Buddhism. Everything else gets filed under "New Age" or "Occult".
It doesn't make any sense to me. I mean, I can understand certain things are hard to categorize. A lot of the astrology or divination systems might actually fit under a separate title instead of religion, but... most of the books in these sections are actually ABOUT religion. So why can't they just go in the religion section?
When I was a really little kid, I remember asking why there were never any books on my religion, and it took me a while to finally ask the manager of the bookstore I shopped in then and find out they were placed under something called "New Age", which at the time I had never heard of. I even pointed out that my religion had to be really old because my great-grandmother got it from her relatives before her, and so on. And my great-grandmother was ancient! (Hehe, I was a little kid, what can I say?)
Anyway, anyone else have thoughts on this?
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@RosieS57 (889)
• United States
27 Oct 07
Yeah, I think you're young. This "New Age" was only recently proclaimed -- if for you 1968 seems recent. That was the year the play 'Hair' arrived on Broadway and announced the dawning of the Age of Aquarius. This is the New Age being referred to.
In the 70's I could get crystals and Tarot decks and incense in the New Age Shoppes. I could also get incense in the head shops, but that's a different story.
So if it has to do with religions that don't use a brick and mortar church or temple or mosque, it is part of the New Age movement.
My religion of Stregheria is ancient as well, predating the founding of the Roman Empire (prehistoric Italian village paganism). But I don't mind being dragged into the 21st century or buying supplies at a place named after a 20th century spiritual awareness movement. :-)
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
27 Oct 07
Hmm. I guess that might be the thing, I wasn't really around for the New Age movement. So I see it as just saying things are new as opposed to saying they are part of that movement. I guess also I got part of my offense at that term from my great-grandmother, to be honest. There were certain times in her life when people would come to her asking to learn things, in a not-serious manner, and she would turn them away, for not being serious enough. And I guess I'm used to thinking of the "New Age" thing as dabbling and not religion or spirituality, because that's the way she saw it.
I might just have found something I have an intolerance issue with after all. I'll have to meditate on that.
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@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
27 Oct 07
"So if it has to do with religions that don't use a brick and mortar church or temple or mosque, it is part of the New Age movement"
ahh but that doesnt make any sense in todays world in many places since there ARE Wiccan "churches" (we have one in St.Catharines)..not to mention that Wicca at least is legally considered a "religion" and recognized as such ya know....so why is it still considered "new age" ya know...silly to me really...
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@RosieS57 (889)
• United States
27 Oct 07
Interesting that you should pick Wicca, Ravenladyj, since it has only really been around in the Gardnerian form (the first form of Wicca to get the designation of being a religion) since the mid-1800's. As far as religions go, that's a real baby, practically a newborn.
Judaism is 5,000+, Christianity is 2,000 + and Islam almost 1,400 years of age. Wicca being about 150 years old is a newbie for sure. Wiccan churches are few and far between and it isn't a requirement to 'come to meeting' in a building as it is in the Western world's Big Three religions.
Compared to Hindu, pagan Italian, Scandinavian heathen and the Celts in old age, only Judaism and Buddhism come close to being oldsters.
So it is really strange that some of the oldest are called New. I'm ok with it: what is old is new and there's nothing new under the sun, so they say.
Comparative religions is, for me, a fascinating field of study.
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@foxyfire33 (10005)
• United States
27 Oct 07
I'm going to agree that "religious books" seem to only refer to those with a Biblical background...Judeo-Christian. New age does not seem to fit with the other ancient (or at least old) but non traditional "religions". My thoughts are people in general view those religions as spiritual rather than religious like Christianity. They are so caught up in labels and traditions that they can not bring themselves to call anything a religion that they do not consider to be religious. I find this to be narrow-mindedness caused by the altering of the intended purpose of Christianity. The thing is I don't think those other religions belong in the "religion" section either. "New Age" may not be appropriate but these alternative beautiful religions do not belong next to the commercialized and often corrupt religions. I also think that some of the problem might be that traditional Christians would be very offended to find anything but Christian books in the "religion" section.
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
28 Oct 07
Hmm. You know, I never thought about it that way before. I suppose we might catch the corruption if you put us too close. =P
You're right about offending traditional Christians, as other posters have said as well. Sad to think that they would be offended like that. I'm glad I know some Christians who are more open-minded.
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@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
27 Oct 07
I think part of it is the simple fact that a lot of the "Judeo-Christians" are taking part in the "New Age" practices and by NOT calling them religion, they think they are "OK".
If they actually called these "New Age" books religion; then, they would feel that they were breaking with their "religion" and should not have them, buy them
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@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
29 Oct 07
Isn't it amazing how people can delude themselves and "justify" things they want to believe and or do? That is why so many "religious" people are so so hypocritical and give their religions such a bad reputation. I am sure that they can easily justify "New Age" practices by simply putting a "non-religious" label on them.
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
28 Oct 07
Ooo! That's something I hadn't thought about! You are correct, there are many people who take certain practices out of context and think they can use them without it conflicting because they don't call it "religion". I've met a lot of Christians who had a lot of practices that I was just like "Umm, can you do that?"
Hmm, it does sound like the person you are talking about was very confused. Wicca is definitely a religion, even if it's a new one, and while you could be an "eclectic" using concepts from both religions, being a Wiccan and a Christian doesn't exactly work.
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@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
27 Oct 07
Hi again...
I think this is a great observation and I have also wondered why many of the ancient teachings come under 'new age.' Unless they assume that they are going through a Renaissance and therefore coming into a New Age of Discovery. I also think that many of the traditional religions would protest to the idea that what falls under their interpretation of the occult being side by side with their dogmatic approach to religion.
There are references in Biblical text that the occult practices are to be avoided. I have wondered if it is because spirituality empowers the individual...and that is often discovered through ancient and yes 'occult' connections to Source, deities and Nature. Churches want to maintain control over the congregation and convince them that without adherence to their 'rules' and tithing to keep it going...they might lose their followers. With that in mind there is no way they would want view like ours to be available in a side by side display...oh my goodness...imagine if someone read a book that helped them awaken to the possibility that there might be more than than what they have been 'shaped' into believing as the only true path?
So, where I am going with this...(and they are just my 'theories') is that religious bias towards anything but what THEY preach cannot be shared with something as 'ungodly' (in their dogma) as any new age material. In my view the least they could do is create a spirituality category where many of the things we and others believe to be a more Universal approach to growing one's soul and achieving a more illuminated way of living. Oh well... in the meantime countless light workers around the planet will continue to walk their path in quiet confidence...and herein lies our strength.
Another great topic..thanks for posting it. Hope things are going well for you and your precious boy.
Warm regards and many light filled blessings,
Raia
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
28 Oct 07
Hah, I love how you put this! You are right, spirituality is empowerment, and the churches definitely are afraid of their members becoming empowered.
I've always wondered why Christians are viewed as having such weak faith by their own authorities that they are believed not to be able to learn anything without losing that faith. I would be offended if I were Christian, to be honest, that it was assumed reading a book about something else could "lead me astray."
Oh, my family is doing somewhat better, actually. I still have vertigo, but I'm moving around better, and actually going back to work on a part-time basis in early November. Hopefully if the medicine I am taking continues to work, I'll continue feeling better, though we don't know that the vertigo will ever really stop. The docs say I might just have to learn to live with it. And Dustin is doing well, he still hasn't had any more seizures, and we're still working on what caused them. =)
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@izathewzia (5134)
• Philippines
28 Oct 07
Religion has many connotations nowadays. I guess, it depends on one's faith. There are things which people categorically put under religion. But to some, it should not be. New or old ages, what important most, for me, is you continuously cultivate your faith. It helps you grow and do good things.
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
28 Oct 07
I guess I consider any set of beliefs to be a religion, really. I mean, I don't separate "This can be called a religion, and this can't" based on my own beliefs. *shrugs*
You have a point though. Cultivating that faith is more important than what it is called. It's just something that bugs me, that's all, because I feel like I'm being relegated to some kind of second-class citizenship as a bookstore patron. =P
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@blueunicorn (2401)
• United States
28 Oct 07
That is a sad reason, but I think you are on to something!
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@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
27 Oct 07
I'll never understand it either lecanis...I mean to me ALL religions should fall under the "religion" section of the libraries, bookstores etc etc but in reality only the "mainstream" religions end up there...the non-mainstream seem to either get crammed in "occult", "new age" or sometimes "metaphysics" none of which IMO make any flipping sense at all...OR sometimes you'll find them tucked in a far back corner with no "label" at all almost like it's hoped they'll never be found :-/
Stupid really...but sadly its the masses who 'rule' and lets face it the masses are a$$es ;-)
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
28 Oct 07
Yup, no sense at all. Yes, that's another good point, sometimes they are essentially hidden! Drives me crazy trying to find them. Have you ever had employees at bookstores glare at you for buying them??? I've had that. Of course I didn't buy actually, as soon I got glared at I put them down and said "I'll just order them online where I don't have to deal with bigotry." =P
Haha, yes, I like that last line. =p
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@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
30 Oct 07
My personal belief is that New Age is a concept. It's a spiritual search without a name. It encompasses many aspects of many religions but doesn't adhere to any particular faith. Kabballah is a spirtual practice that I would consider today's new age, because it mimics true kabalah, but doesn't quite get there.
Yours is simply a matter of ignorance. Lack of knowledge about ancient faiths that deserve more respect than they get is the reasoning behind placing them into new age or occult. People only recognize mainstream.
Of course, if it were me, I would write and call the owners of said bookstores and set them straight. But that might be why the people in my town think I'm a bit nuts. LOL
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
30 Oct 07
Kabballah is a good example here of something that I could see classifying as New Age, because it goes far off the mark of the old traditions. I can also understand classifying things that include or are about spiritual traditions but don't adhere to any particular faith. The things that bother me being place there are the ones that do adhere to a particular faith, and should thus be under religion. It is a fine line sometimes I guess.
I have actually complained at bookstores about this before, but it typically just gets me treated like a crazy. In fact, I no longer really shop at the bookstore closest to me, because not only were they rude about my complaint about the "New Age" section, the lady there always gave me dirty looks when I purchased anything she didn't approve of. So I gave up on them.
@uath13 (8192)
• United States
29 Oct 07
Tell you the truth, I'd never really thought about it. I will say that when I was younger the seperation of the two sections probably prevented me from causing a scene by educating some bible thumper. I had enough of a problem from the people that knew me to put up with it from a stranger.
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@uath13 (8192)
• United States
29 Oct 07
We used to have 2 main book stores around here, media play & Books a million. Both were huge & the sections were usually far apart. Most of the "New Agers" just went to the special shops anyways. After I had my own transportation I didn't bother with the major stores anymore.
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
29 Oct 07
Ah, you're so lucky! I miss having the special shops actually. Where I live there is nothing. There is one store that is "multi-entertainment" that includes a section of "pagan stuff" but it's very general and mostly geared towards dabblers if anything. Bleh.
There used to be a wonderful shop in a city near where I grew up that I'd go to, but it wasn't there last time I went back. I hear there was arson involved. *sighs*
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
29 Oct 07
*giggles* Perhaps those bible thumpers are lucky for the separation then! =p
Where I'm from the bookstores are small enough the sections are fairly close to each other, and usually people WILL approach you if they see you looking in the New Age ones, so I've educated quite a few bible thumpers in bookstores. I do try to be as polite as possible, but if they're approaching me, it's their problem. =P
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
28 Oct 07
All the "New Age" books are on religions that are so much older than Judaism or Christianity.They are only "new" to Americans.It is sad. If it isn't Jewish or Christian it is new.I would take it as an insult if my religion was called a cult or a "new age" movement or a fad.
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@nonew3 (1941)
• United States
28 Oct 07
I have seen that, myself, in the bookstores, and have often wondered.
I consider New Age to be a general religion, and its subcategories to be, in and of themselves, religious.
Some people do not consider divination and the occult to be religious. But, I do, because they might be used in some religions.
If I were the owner of a bookstore, I am not sure what I would do. I guess I'd put it all in the Religion section unless I were pressured to do otherwise.
I wonder, what classifies as religion, and what doesn't, when it comes to matters like this?
Good discussion!
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
29 Oct 07
Hmm. I think the issue for me is that "New Age" isn't really a religion, or rather, the religions shoved under New Age have nothing to do with anything New Age. They are each religions in their own rights. It is true that some specific practices are also put there, but books on religions like Asatru (Norse), Celtic, Greek, Roman, Egyptian, and other such religions are all shoved under New Age, when none of them are anything like new.
I agree that it should all go under religion, and it's great to know someone would put it there if they had a bookstore. =p
It's possible that the bookstores are under some kind of pressure, when you think about it.
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
30 Oct 07
From what I understand, it's more a spiritual movement. It's not a religion, but rather a term used to describe spirituality in general I guess. It could include almost any spiritual practice, religious or non-religious, it seems like. I guess that's the thing that bugs me about it. It lumps all kinds of different religions with no actual ties together, as well as lumping in any random spiritual practice into that same group. It doesn't make any sense to me. However, on this discussion Rosie gave an explanation of "New Age" that you might find interesting.
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
27 Oct 07
I think n"New Age" covers it very well. Years ago religion was religion and there were no options, Nowdays many people are seeing the light and moving away from the traditional. There are no child molesters in a Spiritual belief. Also the church does not recognise science as part of Life. Hence we have the label, "New Age" where those people not satisfied with the traditional, can find an alternate belief system.
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
27 Oct 07
I think it bugs me because so many of the so-called "New Age" religions are old. I mean, my family has had Celtic pagans in it for centuries. So it just seems weird to me to look for books on my religion under "New Age".
You have a good point about people not being satisfied with what is seen as traditional and finding something else though.
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@devilsangel (1817)
• United States
28 Oct 07
Don't feel bad you're not the only person it bothers. It bothered so many people out here that the Boders books I shop at has it in a section that I can't really aruge with. Its titled Metaphysical Philosophy, I mean it really is hard to aruge with that. I know that some Barns and Nobles stores still have many of the books under Religion, the stuff in the new age area are mostly Astrology or dream interpritation. They also have all the Vampire and Werewolf stuff there too.
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@devoxandria (33)
• China
28 Oct 07
religion is just superfiical line to bind the human being into more social and moral values of life,in my view whatever makes yu feel happy and contempt that is religion,i dont necessry have to find any other kinds of neo religion and cult to satisfy my inner self!
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
28 Oct 07
Hmm. I'm a little confused by your answer. One one hand, you are saying whatever makes you happy is religion. However, you are using neo religion and cult together as if you are saying someone else's religion is a "cult", which has definite negative connotations.