The Christian Church has had 2000 years to make a difference!
By barehugs
@barehugs (8973)
Canada
8 responses
@loralee (542)
• United States
14 Nov 07
I think the Christian Church in its many reinventions of itself has been successful as both a negative and a positive. In its questing for peace, it has brought and adds to conflicts. I am not saying that the Christian religion alone has done this. Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism. Most of us know its doctrine - 'The Bible' comes from the Torah. We do not know the true origins of Islamic belief for Mohammad was the last of Allah's messengers. The Koran(Allah's speaking through Mohammad) is the only allowed and surviving doctrine of Islamic religion that we know of to date. It is possible to hypothesize that there are more historical similarities than we know of at this time in relation to Islam. If you look hard enough you can find relations between all religions from East to West. They are all unsuccessful in that they do not see the common thread that makes them one - peace, love and understanding (immortal words of Elvis Costello). Instead they focus on the differences between them. I am pretty certain that within every religions history, you will find negativity that one can consider unsuccessful. Hopefully we as a civilization will learn from history's mistakes and learn to make religion something wholy holy.
@loralee (542)
• United States
15 Nov 07
That was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek. My bad for not making it clearer.
More tongue-in-cheek Wiki-madness or just in case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue-in-cheek
Urban Dic:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=my+bad
;)
If you check any discussions I have started or replied to, you might see that I am with you on spirituality vs. religious institution. I am convoluted at times, though if you look close enough you might be see me for me.
:)
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
16 Nov 07
Sorry I missed your point Loralee! Sometimes I just get carried away with my oratory. Glad your with me on that one though!
I'm sure that you feel as I do........Its not my purpose or intent to play the missionary here! Farbeit from me to discourage anyone on his/her private path to God!
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
14 Nov 07
I both agree, and disagree with your thoughtful response. You know your history, but you missed the point. Christianity was dreamed up by a business man called Paul. He saw an opportunity to seize Power and make Money. Christianity today hasn't changed much. Its the same old Power and Money Organization, but Very much Richer! MY point is... Christianity was dreamed up out of Greed and a Thirst for Power. Nothing has changed. God spoke to the Prophets without a third party and He speaks directly to those of us today who are not church members.
Lets get back to basics and drop Religion in favor of Spirituality. Religion can never be Holy!
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@dickkell (403)
• United States
3 Nov 07
Wow, what a lot of viciousness! The truth is that Christ's Church (not one specific denomination, but the whole mass of Christians together) has had a tremendous impact on the world in the past 2000 years, and continues to do so today. Without a doubt, there have been mistakes, failures, abuses, and extremes, but the value of the Church cannont be measured by these alone.
Study your history. While the "church" was being repressive, Christians were busy truning the world upside down. Galileo, Isaac Newton, Copernicus, Da Vinci, Michalangelo, George Washington, Christopher Columbus, Louis Pasture, just to name a few - all practicing Christians. The Enlightenment can be credited to Christians standing up for the truth. The settling of America, as well as the founding of the nation - Christians.
But the real impact of the church has been the slow change brought about in the hearts and minds of millions of believers, and the untold stories of their work to make the world just a little better. Unsung heroes who comforted a friend, or sought peace with an enemy, or brought food or clothing to the destitute, or sought to cure sickness because of their convctions, or took a stand against evil in the world. The abolitionists, the sufferagettes, the civil rights workers, all examples of faith in action.
Without a doubt the church - that is, the Christians - have been a light for a dark world and has made an immeasurable difference.
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@dickkell (403)
• United States
4 Nov 07
The power of the church is not waning, but growing. The real church is taking a stand against silly traditions and pedo priests and every other thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God.
And, you still failed to mention the missionaries who were feeding and clothing the displaced Natives. You failed to mention the Christian men and women working to stop the savagery, fighting for native's rights.
Just because someone wears a cross doesn't make them a Christian. Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than going into a garage make you a car.
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
4 Nov 07
Yes I must admit that Christianity has had a tremendous Impact. Your well thought out response is well written. You are correct that there have been many extremes, which have continued throughout the history of the church even to this day. At first the Church was Powerful enough to sweep these heinous crimes under the carpet but of late,with its Power and Influence waning, the courts are bringing it to Justice over the matter of Child abuse.You speak of the settling of America, but fail to mention how the Christians not only stole the land from its Rightful Native owners, but starved and murdered them as well. What a stand against evil in a dark world!
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@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
2 Nov 07
a poster above said:
"unfortunately it has never been about love of a GOD and preaching that love and wisdom. It was created for Control, Power, And Money
that is all it was made for"
and I agree fully....the CHURCH was created to gain then re-gain control when they thought they were losing it to free thinkers centuries ago. Its been nothing more than a ploy to con, bribe, rip off and weasel ppl ever since..Sadly it just gets worse as time goes on...Churches have become big business and more and more shady which really doesnt help the Christian faith at all...I'm not Christian myself, havent been for ages, but I still feel its a shame that the Church has made what was once a good guideline for life into nothing more than a sham
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@dickkell (403)
• United States
4 Nov 07
If we are all going different directions, how can we possibly be on the same path? Freethinkers, start thinking before you speak. It's not possible that there are infinite and opposing paths to ultimate truth. Truth is of necessity true, and everything else, by definition is NOT TRUE. This being the case, it is our duty of thinking human beings to seek the Truth with all the capacity we posess, and, having found it, to disclose it to as many as possible. To do otherwise is either ignorant or evil.
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
4 Nov 07
Yes Ravenlady you have hit the nail right on the Head! In other words what the world needs now are More Free Thinkers! However I believe with all my Heart that those who Love their Church are there because they belong there. Its right for them. They need to be told (and taught) what to believe. AS for us Freethinkers, we can think for ourselves, and we are (like the churchgoers) all on the Path to God!
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@rdurusan (624)
• Philippines
5 Nov 07
Business wise the church has been a success,but in spirituality and love it has been a dismal failure.If only the small percentage of their earnings are put to helping the poor,there maybe no one starving on this planet earth.The money they earn coming from the poor and even the rich is used in business like putting up a bank and they grew richer and richer.The wealth they accumulated through the years is used in controlling people through support from politicians,and this politicians are the ones making the laws that makes them richer,and the poor, beggars.The church is used not for its real purpose to proclaim the gospel,but to proclaim the greatness of man.
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
5 Nov 07
It saddens me to agree wholeheartedly with your response. The Christian Church has been misleading the people for 2000 years while it grows Richer and Richer. Many wars have been fought for and by the Church, and much blood has been shed, needlessly, in God's Name. No one has any Idea of the emensity of Churches Fortunes, its mind-boggling for sure, and as you say its been accumulated mostly, on the backs of the poorest (and most ignorant.) I'm giving you "Best Response," for a thoughful, well written retort. Thanks for that!
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@cobradene (1171)
• India
2 Nov 07
They made a huge difference. We can see the effects now. :)
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@cobradene (1171)
• India
4 Nov 07
If you read my statement, and if you see what the church has done up to now, they go well hand in hand. There is some sarcasm in it. :)
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
4 Nov 07
Once again, I'm disappointed that you gave no reasons. What effects can we see now?
To be perfectly Honest I'm not seeing anything positive coming from the Christian Churchs. Its becoming increasingly difficult to get young recruits for the Priesthood of the Catholic Church. Does this speak of a healthy vibrant organisation?
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@irishmist (3814)
• United States
16 Nov 07
Well I don't really think I can step here, as I'm Catholic.But I have a few issues with them. Religoin is not what it used to be.
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@CLUBSUGAS (257)
• United States
2 Nov 07
unfortunately it has never been about love of a GOD and preaching that love and wisdom. It was created for Control, Power, And Money
that is all it was made for - It is just unfortunate people are so stupid that they get all caught up in thinking that, "WOW, they must know it all and there has to be something bigger than me? Right?" Well if there is something bigger than you you will never see it if you keep hangin with these fools.
Further more, this faith has destroyed the world along with all religions - that is where wars were started from - it is all about control money and power in the end - there is no GOD and nobody is listening so why bother.
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
4 Nov 07
I've heard it said," That there's nothing wrong with Christianity if only someone would practise it!" Yes I can agree with the first part of your response. However these people are not fools. They are very astute Businessmen. They have used Religion to build the worlds Biggest and Richest Money making Organisation, namely the Christian Church! As a Spiritualist I believe in God, so I can't agree with the last part of your response. But I thank you for your interesting thoughts nevertheless.
@rickyrich (149)
• India
2 Nov 07
yes, definetly church will get success. It has good management better thinking
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