How do you define success, being successful, or successful people?
@Perspectives (7131)
Canada
November 3, 2007 6:06pm CST
Within our society today people seem to be really driven to "be successful" whatever that means. As I read and listen to people discuss their views it is evident that success can have many different interpretations. For some success means a college education and achieving some sort of profession. However, there are many successful blue collar workers who are successful without that level of schooling.
Others measure success with an outward display of their 'bling'...fancy, high end cars, homes, furs, designer clothes and expensive jewelry. When they have all that they can say they have 'arrived' even though their lives may be full of scandal, upheaval and sad endings.
The fact that my husband and I work in the personal development field we continually see many everyday heroes who are successful in a totally different way and one that would not even be known if they did not talk about it with others. They are successful in healing their lives, overcoming childhood abuses and additions, they forgive breaches of trust and rebuild relationships...and they do it consistently over time...and in my view those are the real successes in life. They are the ones who reach a point to live life from a more inwardly...rather than outwardly directed center.
If you'd care to offer your views I'd be interested in hearing you define success and being successful. Also are there people in your life that you respect because of the successes in their lives? I look forward to hearing from you as always.
I have included a poem that pretty well sums up where I am coming from on this topic...here it is:
SUCCESS
Whether you feel you are a success or not,
You can depend on your point of view.
Success is the measure of achievement in life.
Judged on who you are and what you do.
You don't have to win to be a success.
Full participation in life can be success in itself.
Achieving the best you are capable of,
Can bring many rewards, including good health.
There will always be bigger goals to reach for,
And other in life to look up to.
This doesn't mean you are not a success,
Or that the others are more successful than you.
Your successes may be seen from the eyes of your peers,
It may be evident to others, yet to you...not defined.
Although it's how you perform to the challenges of life,
Success has little true meaning, until it's felt in the mind.
--AUTHOR UNKNOWN
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14 responses
@ersmommy1 (12588)
• United States
4 Nov 07
I know some people wouldn't consider this a success, but I measure it in the happiness of my child. When she wakes up happy,I love it when she comes home from pre-school screaming mommy look what I can do, my heart soars. It's hard work protecting a child from the every day problems of life and sometimes I have failed but over all I've done it. and I can measure success in each smile on her face
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@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
4 Nov 07
Hi and welcome to Mylot...and if that is a photo of you and your little girl I think it speaks volumes about your love for her. Whether other people consider the smiles on your daughter's face a success or not...I sure would! My hubby and I do not have children of our own but do life coaching work with couples and families. In our view parenting is one of the most important jobs anyone can do. You are raising the planetary citizens of tomorrow...and with all the challenges moms and dads face we are among their greatest advocates.
Having you head up this discussion with such a beautiful measure of success is a great way to start out. Thanks so much for dropping by and giving all parents who might read it reason to pause and say...yes, smiling happy children is a great success! This is what I was hoping to hear...different views on success from what we often hear.
Warm regards and blessings to you and your child,
Raia
@jamesarmstrong (251)
• China
4 Nov 07
I have a dream that a pretty wife will be brought to me and we live a comfortable life.
I have a dream that a pretty baby will be brought to us and we life an enviable life.
I have a dream that ...
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@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
4 Nov 07
Hello...
I assume your dreams are what you view as success? If so, I sincerely wish for you all that you wish for yourself.
Raia
@goodsign (2287)
• Malaysia
4 Nov 07
Thanks for providing that nice poem. And I like it even though I am not the poetic laureate.
Talking about SUCCESSFUL to my definition is SATISFACTION. That is why there are levels of successfulness and achievements, because they are searching for their level of comfort for satisfaction. Different people will strive for their different satisfactions.
And from this kind of different behaviors in achieving levels of satisfactions, it generate economy value to human kind and the process of changing or developing satisfactions is so called as economy recycle.
If every people only need one chair for one house or don't want to have it change at all due to the same level of satisfaction, means chair manufacturer has to close down the factory. Very slow sales rate.
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@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
4 Nov 07
Hi and I am glad you enjoyed the poem. I appreciate your views about success and satisfaction and tend to agree with that. My husband and I have lived most of our lives (even before we met) focusing on the QUALITY of life...not so much the quantity of our material possessions.
Your input about how consumerism drives things is also a good one. So thanks for your offerings to the topic...much appreciated!
Raia
@ssh123 (31073)
• India
4 Nov 07
Thanks for posting very interesting topic. I had run several discussions on success related topics which were well responded by mylotians.
For me success is nothing the rewards one gets after executing hardwork in a effective and effecient manner. Haven't you heard of husband/relatives praising your wife that her preparation in kitchen is simply excellent? It is the same old ingredients, same combination and the timing is important of its mixing, the duration that stays on kitchen fire. What is important is the enthusiasm and love she puts in preparation of food makes it all different.
So therefore, one should have unsatiable enthusiasm in doing any work and coupled with hardwork brings success. The success also embraces those who acquire the required skill. I acquired the skill of typing quite fast during my school days. It had not helped me much then and now I have opened a business centre where I do text processing.The skill helps me to do at amazing speed, here the skill helps me to earn by bread, butter and even jam.
Lastly, success should not be measured with that of others. Whatever I do, I consider it successful, because I never failed. There is possibility of imagination and execution. If I imagine that I should become or over take Bill Gates, I should have resources (not money) to do so. Success also brings a lot of satisfaction.
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@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
4 Nov 07
Hello again...
I have been busy with a variety of other things lately and had less time to Mylot. So when I am here it is delightful to have valued friends drop by to add to the discussion. Your participation here is always appreciated because of your thoughtful responses.
Your comments about the value of working in an effective, efficient and mindful manner really fits for me. Using the example of all the love, care and attentiveness that goes into preparing food for family and friends is very true...and sometimes not added into the idea of success within a materially driven societies.
Enthusiasm, persistence, perseverance all adds much to a person's ability to feel accomplished and successful in any venture. I am not sure if you statement about never failing comes from what I also believe...that 'there are no failures only lessons to learn'...but that is how I see it. I never feel as though I have failed at anything as long as I have gained experience, understanding and learned something from the whole thing.
Your parting comment about inner resources and being able to conduct oneself in ways that lead to success is something that many miss. Knowledge is one thing...but the ability to apply it through wisdom, experience, forethought and accountability is often what makes people feel successful regardless on the amount of money they earn.
I like your perspectives ssh123 and enjoyable sharing them with you again!
Best regards,
Raia
@ssh123 (31073)
• India
7 Nov 07
Dear Perspectives, You have made my day. Grateful thanks to you. I am a member of a forum which is in UK. There aren't many writers there. It is meant for women and my wife is a member there. Would it be interesting for your to participate in it? It looks like the terms are good and well paid. She is not yet eligible for recommending others and in a few days she will be. Thanks.
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@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
25 Nov 07
Hi, sorry I missed responding to your comments on this one. Sometimes it happens as hard as I try not! Anyway I would be interested in learning more about the site you mentioned...I will send you an e-mail to follow through on this.
Always good to have your participation here!
Regards.
Raia
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
4 Nov 07
To me my Dad was a success .H etook over his brothers and sisters when he was 13 and help his dad rasiethem leanred to cook sew clean house work and went to school till the 10th Grade Raasied my sis and brother and also went to be a jet engine machanic. HE didnt have to have a college degree to do this just knowlegde and hard work.
Also my hubby I think was a success he ran and worked 3 farmes from the tie he was 8 plowed and planted the fields and had the head on him to figure how much seed to plant per avre his brother who was 7 yers older than him couldnt do it he just didnt have horse since to figure it out.
Hubby left school in the 11th grade and went to work where his brither in law did and became a jrnman Lineman top of his feild for 30 years after apprentice ships.and we rasie 22 great kids that didnt get into much trouble.
I really dont think hat college would have done them any good as it probably isnt helping out to many kids now Out of all the kids going now and spending aprents maney up will come out with a degree and then not be able to work at what they want o for they wont apply thierselves to it. The ones that will come out will be the ones that worked ahrd and probably had to help work for the college tuition
BUt there ya have it my 2 example of people I think were a great success
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
5 Nov 07
your welcome and I just re read what I said and the 2 must of got stuck we raised 2 kids not 22 lol.
Miss out talks too dont know where the time went either I still tend to sleep some thru the dqay and some at night.
Teh boys finally got our french doors put in this weekend . we only have had them in the back about 5 years lol.
hugs and blessing to both of you and thanks for the candles !
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@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
6 Nov 07
Yes the time does seem to go by quickly and this week has really zipped by. Yes, I miss chatting more with you too. We've been busy finishing up fall cleanup and a few other things as well. David and a friend cleaned out the basement and we got rid of a lot of stuff that was just collecting dust...so it looks way better. It is time to put plastic on the windows and bring the ceramic pieces and rake the leaves..so lots to do before it snows. We had sprinkles but nothing major...but it will be coming soon.
So continue to take good care and hope your healing is coming along.
Hugs and blessings my friend..
Raia
@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
4 Nov 07
Hello my friend...missed chatting with you this week and have been thinking about you a lot. Hopefully we can chat on the phone and catch up sometime this week. We'll chat more by phone or e-mail.
Anyway the examples you presented here about success are wonderful! They show the power of intent and how far people can go and what they can do with good ethics, perseverance and a willingness to take on responsibility. Your various roles as mother, wife, grandmother, daughter and how you have lived your life from a grounded place within speak volumes about how successful you are in living life on your own terms and helping others do the same.
I absolutely agree with you about many who 'succeed' in getting their education but then 'fail' at living a successful life in the ways that really matter over the long term.
So great addition to the topic...look forward to catching up...candles are still burning as does the love, light and energetic support!
Take care and big hugs!
Raia
@raijin (10345)
• Philippines
4 Nov 07
Success, for me is doing what I believe is right for me. It may be wrong for other's point of view, I amy offend someone by simply expressing myself, but that is life. As long as I know I don't hurt anybody and I feel satisfied of what I do, that for me is success. Even those evil-doers feel successful in what they do, right? Though I don't consider myself one of them, I hope you dig me!LoL
Seriously, success for me has led me to understand more of things. Because after achieving it, I was first a loser. This drove me to be persuasive and to give my best more and prove to myself what I am capable of, it somehow made a beneficial result on my part.
Just like you, I would love to share my success in whatever way I could!;)
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@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
4 Nov 07
Hi raijin...always good to hear from you my friend. I have been busy with other commitments and haven't had as much time to Mylot and I've missed chatting with regular friends like you. Hope all is well with you and yours. Things are good here.
Anyway, I do understand about your definition of success coming with an ability to live life on your own terms rather than allowing yourself to be defined by the perceptions and judgments of others. To me it is important for people to reach a point where one's self worth is strong enough to withstand the rejection of our ideas by others. It appears that you have figured that one out and still have the capacity to interact in honorable ways with others...and that is a great balance between the two.
Once we have our own 'stuff' figured out and integrated it is at that point that we are more capable of sharing what we have learned with others...and adding to the greater good. In my view...that is yet another measure of success...so we appear to be on the same page on this one.
Thanks for your input again...take care.
Raia
@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
6 Nov 07
Thank you I will...and the same wishes are coming back at you. Yes it is very true no one can change anything without awareness...but the action is what brings dreams and hopes to fruition. We are definitely on the same wave length on this one...but then we have been in other discussions too!
Take good care and continue to enjoy life!
Best regards,
Raia
@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
6 Nov 07
She is cute, and thanks for your compassion about losing our cat. There is always a tendency to wonder what happened. My hubby and I are cat lovers too, and now we have five but as you probably found each one is unique and one can never replace the other.
Best regards,
Raia
@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
4 Nov 07
Hello...as a person with 5 cats I cannot help but comment on the cute cat picutre. We used to have a gray one that looked like that one...but sadly he got out of the house one day and never came back.
Anyway, I appreciate your views about feeling happy and content when you have reached your goals. However, I hope you will also be happy and content on some level as you work towards them...you know what they say..the journey is as important as the destination! LOL
Thanks for adding your views here..
Raia
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@ssh123 (31073)
• India
5 Nov 07
Honestly speaking, I donot think even for a while to write the responses because I get the thoughts before I hit the keys. But what is amazing is your accurate analysis of the writing. I do not have so much of patience to give comments. I enjoyed reading it and hope you will continue to do so. Wonderful statements are incorporated in your writings. Thanks and have a good day.
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@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
6 Nov 07
Hello again...it sounds as though your mind works like mine...and I liked the way you said it; "I get the thoughts before I hit the keys." Yes, I fully understand what that is like it usually goes that way for me too.
Your generous words about my writing is very meaningful and I appreciate it. As a professional writer I have never had the benefit of direct feedback like this before. When an article is published the reader is out there...but more often than not the impact is never known. Having exchanges with other people who share their ideas the way we do here on Mylot have having feedback from each other is a gift and I guess why we all enjoy participating.
You have always come across as a thoughtful person with a wonderful philosophy about life and I value your comments for that reason.
Warm regards,
Raia
@atulleo25 (484)
• India
4 Nov 07
Success can be measured in the terms of the happiness and self suficiency which you feel after achieving something which you have desired in the work performed by you. Success is also a parameter which may be considered while meausuring happiness as it will induce confidence in th person who is more successful.
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@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
4 Nov 07
Hello and thanks for your interesting additions to the discussion. I like the way you have included a positive sense of self within the definition of success. Yes, it is very true that success breeds success, confidence and improves self-esteem. What we all seem to be in agreement with is that feeling successful is more from within our personal yardstick rather than chasing in in outwardly directed ways.
Best regards,
Raia
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
5 Nov 07
The term' success ' has vast implications if you go into elaborate analysis and examples . we will find that people make statements like-
"He is a tremendous financial success. But what is the use? On a personal level, he does not have absolute fulfilment."
"He is a geek, is a genius in numbers, but in his office he is a failure.''
" That is a simple person who has a good family, enjoys great health , but somewhere there seems to be something wrong.He is not leading a comfortable life.[here the word 'comfort' obviously refers to material comforts."
We need not worry about perceptions and what people say. So, I prefer to fall back on the proper definition of this word and elaborate that this is an accomplishment of an aim.This aim varies from person to person and there are far too many subjective interpretations possible.
But on the whole, I feel that a person who has fulfilled all his duties[ life thrusts responsibilities on us and we have to fulfil them]and can sleep peacefully at night without a care is a success.
A person who has inner peace and contentment is a tremendous success.
A person who never loses his cool and has absolute equanimity of mind is a success.
A person who feels with all his heart that he has done his work to the best of his knowledge and that he could not have performed better is a success. [ here it calls for an objective analysis of one's capability and sense of duty to do his work without 'attachment to results']
These elaborations of mine obviously give priority to a person's state of mind and like you I tend to give more importance to this spiritual success than any other-corporate success, financial success, political success, etcetc etc..,..,
Regarding your ''measure of achievement'' in life, I feel that we are all in society and do crave recognition but I also feel that this measure should be one's own and not the measure that the world respects. You have also mentioned this in your description of people living in an inwardly manner.This is my view also.
If a person happily says,''As far as I am concerned I am a success.", he is a successful person. But of course this does not imply that I advocate shirking of one's responsibility. As I had pointed out earlier, one has to fulfil one's duties to the best of capability in a detached manner.
And participation is as important as winning. Otherwise all responses will cease after the best response is marked in My Lot.com
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@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
6 Nov 07
Your articulate presentation of ideas on the varying dimensions of success is very well put. It is true that people can achieve great professional success and not have an ability to carry it over into their private lives.
This comment of yours really resonated for me and is aligned to how my hubby and I view success as well. "I feel that a person who has fulfilled all his duties[ life thrusts responsibilities on us and we have to fulfill them]and can sleep peacefully at night without a care is a success. A person who has inner peace and contentment is a tremendous success. A person who never loses his cool and has absolute equanimity of mind is a success. A person who feels with all his heart that he has done his work to the best of his knowledge and that he could not have performed better is a success."
I also value what you said about participation...yes that, an ability to commit one's life to making the world a better place regardless of our station in life is something I also believe. I think that we truly are individual chords within the One Song of life and we affect people in small and large ways every day in every way. For those who choose to make the a positive experience for all who intereact with them...then to me they are also winning at this game we call life.
Always enjoyable sharing ideas with you and I hope all is well with you and your family.
Best regards my friend,
Raia
"I feel that a person has fullfilled all this duties, life thrusts responsibilities on us and have to fulfill them
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
4 Nov 07
I've long felt rather inferior to my brother because he has several degrees and is now retired from a fantastic job for Merrill Lynch, he has his house paid for, the whole nine yards. I, on the other hand, married at 17 and worked at factories for years before starting as a letter carrier for the post office where I worked for 18 years. In recent years I've realized that while I haven't enjoyed the career or financial success my brother has I have "succeeded" in other areas; I have a wonderful and beautiful daughter who has given me two beautiful grandkids and I'll soon celebrate my 38th anniversary to a wonderful man. As the filling in the sandwich I've taken care of my mother and I've taken care of my daughter and her family, sometimes at the same time but that's what "success" in life is all about to me! My boss may not have liked me too much, my bankers don't like me so much these days but my family and friends - and I can't forget my cats - love me for myself. There are many who are richer or more successful in their chosen field but I've had all the success I need.
Annie
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@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
4 Nov 07
Thanks to both of you for adding your viewpoints to this topic in ways that really align with mine. We often read or hear about people at the pinnacle of 'success' who make self-serving or unaware choices and their lives end up in a chaotic mess.
Annie to hear your sense of success as measured by the quality of your life resonates with my belief systems. Loving, being loved, caring about others and contributing to society in ways that may never make the headlines is creating a level of success that some people forget to acknowledge both in themselves and others. Good to hear that you can do that and 'own' the very real successes you have achieved.
You have both provided some excellent input to this discussion and I appreciate it!
Warm regards,
Raia
@fanji008 (775)
• China
4 Nov 07
Well,I don't think there's a fixed definition of "Success". For different people,there're different ideas towards it. Some people think if they're the most professional experts in their fields,then they're successful.Some business people think if their customers give the best remarks to them then they're successful. Some parents think if their children are pround of them and lead a happy life then they're successful. So I think for everybody,if he's statisfied with what he does or has done and he feels happy about his current life style and state,then maybe he'll have the feeling that he's successful.
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@remo999 (49)
• Canada
4 Nov 07
I like the poem because it reflects my view of success. To me it is not what we have or do that matters but rather who we are. Anytime anyone defines themselves by outer trappings rather than a set of values and beliefs they not only talk about but actually live by they probably don't view themselves as truly successful.
Thinking and feeling one way and acting another usually leads to inner discontent and so in my view success is living an honorable, ethical life and striving for excellence, growth and an ability to adapt to challenge in change with grace and dignity. As I have said it is not what we do but who we are that defines success. From my viewpoint anyway.
Mylot is not somewhere I spend much time but I do like to stop by and add to your discussions when I am here because they are good ones. Keep up the good work.
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@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
4 Nov 07
Thanks Remo..I value your comments and encouraging words. There is not a lot that I can add to what you have offered here...because most of what you said is a mirror image for how I see things.
Too bad you can't participate more...you have good things to say.
Best regards,
Raia
@mlhuff12 (797)
• United States
4 Nov 07
For me, I measure my success on whether I am happy or not. Am I happy doing what I do. Whether I have fulfilled my dreams. So right now I am no way near being successful. I have a lousy job with lousy pay. I am just separated and alone. There is definately a chance that I will be happy with my life therefore successful. But I haven't gotten there just yet.
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@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
4 Nov 07
Hello and welcome to Mylot. Sorry to hear about the many challenges you are facing right now...I have been through similar things and the transition can seen daunting at times. However, I made it through and am happily married even though I never thought I would be!LOL Things take time but I hope you will take care of yourself and your own needs right now until you feel stronger and ready to try something new and different.
I also see happiness and success as intertwined...and finding out who you are and what you love to do can and does create both happiness and a sense of success whether there is a lot of money in the bank or not. Quality of life is the key for me too.
So keep dreaming and planning, follow the whispers of your heart and I am sure you will find greater happiness in the days, weeks and months ahead. My Mom has a saying I now offer to you..."I wish for you all that you wish for yourself."
Good luck and happy Mylotting...it is a great community and I am sure you will make many new friends here and develop a real sense of belonging before too long. If you want to request me as a friend...feel free to I will accept.
Warmest regards,
Raia
@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
4 Nov 07
Ahhh yes...success, happiness and love...they are definitely linked together. If we love and are loved and find joy in things that make us happy...I agree that person is probably feeling very successful in the life they have. To me successful living comes more from an inner center than some outwardly directed persona.
By the way, welcome to Mylot...hope you have wonderful experiences here...it is a lovely community to participate in. Thanks for adding your views to the topic.
Raia
@lemonwolfer (5)
• China
4 Nov 07
from my perspective,success means brilliant achievement in career,having a wonderful family,respected by others.of course,most importantly,your life should be the kinda you are dreaming of,sometimes you are vexed by some trouble,and through all your resolute efforts,at the end of each experience,you learned how wonderful life could be just harboring a ordinary heart,sharing life with those significantly people in your life.also always expect the unexpected is necessary,which could make your life full of surprice.so you never felt bored,meeting new people,hanging out with those wonderful people is also fantastic.i enjoy the feeling being surrounded by a bunch of friends
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@Perspectives (7131)
• Canada
4 Nov 07
Hello lemonwolfer...and welcome to Mylot.
If the quality of this post is any example of who you and and how you think you will be a great addition to any discussion. You have added some great things to what success is...and I agree with all of them.
Your comments about expecting the unexpected and how it can lead down different pathways to success is a great one...and so true! Friends, meeting new people, having new experiences and opening ourselves up to all of it...yes...great steps to enjoying a successful, happy, healthy, prosperous life...FOR SURE!
Good luck and happy Mylotting...
Raia