Ron's Paul's As Republican as Mormon's Are Christian
By cdelascasas
@cdelascasas (12)
United States
November 5, 2007 5:42pm CST
There's an interesting correlation to be drawn between Ron Paul's attempted bid for the Republican Party and Mormons' continued attempts to be recognized as Christians. They both hang out with the wrong crowd, neither of them subscribe to that crowd's beliefs, and they both have a loud calling in certain circles, but fail to reach any widespread appeal.
What makes Ron Paul such a lousy candidate? Well watching any of his debates says it all for himself - but that's somehow less interesting than the fact that Ron Paul seems to be running int he wrong Primary. Espousing himself as a Republican and seeking desperately that bid after a failed attempt as a Libertarian, Ron Paul calls for non-intervention, or as we like to call in our history books "isolationism", and believes he's a "strict Constitutionalist".
His fans like to say that he's got the same mindset as the Founding Fathers - never mind the fact that the first President himself and architect of this nation, as it were, was all about Executive powers, something that Ron Paul finds absolutely abominable.
Fortunately, I don't believe the Republican Party has much to worry about from Ron Paul - much like the Papacy and Lutheran Church don't have much to worry about Brigam Young and Joseph Smith. But I predict wails of voting fraud and other conspiracy theories following his much deserved defeat.
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8 responses
@foxyfire33 (10005)
• United States
7 Nov 07
That comparison makes absolutely no sense to me at all. Christianity in it's truest form is simply "Christ's followers" Therefore Mormons ARE Christians. I know that isn't the debate you wanted to have but I can't debate your point because to me it's baseless.
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@foxyfire33 (10005)
• United States
7 Nov 07
Oh and I hate to see discussions with no responses so I wanted to help you out even if it was a little off topic! :)
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@cdelascasas (12)
• United States
7 Nov 07
Right, but if it's baseless to you, that's wrong. Mormons can call themselves Christians - but they aren't, because they simply don't believe in anything that is required for one to be a Christian. Case in point - they don't believe Jesus is God. You don't believe Jesus is God, you aren't a Christian, period. Same thing goes with Ron Paul - you can't just call yourself a Republican, and yet practice none of the pivotal beliefs.
@foxyfire33 (10005)
• United States
7 Nov 07
They believe in more Christain things than many "Christians" do. But I understand how people outside of the Mormon faith can be mislead.
Your opinion is right to you, my opinion is right to me. And that's alright. That's the whole point of having discussions in a community like this. If we all agreed on every viewpoint it would get boring fast!
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
12 Dec 07
It appears you don't truly know what a "republican" is. Let me enlighten you.
The republican party was founded in the 1850's. Abe Lincoln was the first republican president. In it's earliest years, the republican party was an advocate of equal rights - seeking change in the government by freeing slaves, attempting to give them as much equality as possible, and being the first party to advocate women's rights. In it's early days, it was actually a rather liberal party.
The republican party is also was traditionally small-government, individual-rights oriented, and non-interventionist: the exact same qualities Ron Paul holds (for the most part).
It is not Ron Paul who isn't a true republican, it's the rest of the party that aren't truly republican.
Furthermore, Ron Paul is not an isolationist. He is very much in support of trading with other countries - he just doesn't think we need to police the world like we're doing now. Also, while he's not as strict a constitutionalist as he fancies himself, he adheres to the constitution far more than the a good percentage of the GOP, that I've noticed.
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@visitorinvasion (7709)
• United States
12 Dec 07
Heller response!
I'm literally cheering in my chair!
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
11 Nov 07
I prefer to let Christ decide who is and isn't Christian.
But for your point on Ron Paul, I seem to remember a fairly known independent candidate for president in an election long ago... he lost. The next election cycle he threw his hat in the Republican ring... Now he is the one who Republican Candidates try to build their image around... His name was Ronald Reagan.
Don't discount a candidate, just because he's a retread after a failed 3rd party attempt.
I think Ron Paul has some good ideas, and I like that he doesn't try to change who he is to fit polls or audience of the day... but I could never support a candidate who never fails to blame the U.S. for all the ills of the world.
@jbl1975 (374)
• United States
1 Dec 07
Um, why shouldn't Ron Paul (or anyone for that matter) blame America for the ills in the world? Why shouldn't he blame America for 9/11? Why shouldn't ANYONE blame America for any of this? Maybe because we're right! We have had our noses embroiled in the Middle East for over half a century, ever since overturning the Democratically elected leader of Iran, and putting in the Shah! Why? We couldn't accept a guy who wanted his oil for HIMSELF! (Oh but this was NEVER about oil, was it?!) Oh, and maybe they've attacked our troops about 8 times since 1979 because we were MEDDLING in their affairs, eh?!
Oh and let's see? France chooses not to take part in the Iraq quagmire...and so far nothing has happened to them. However, England and Spain talk part and guess what happens? That's right. TERROR ATTACK! Luckily for Spain, they got the message and got out, and now Britain is waking up and wising up and pulling out of where they don't belong! NOW, it's time WE do the same!
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@cdelascasas (12)
• United States
11 Nov 07
I'm not discounting him because he's a failed third party candidate - I'm discounting him because he's completely out of touch with reality.
@Modestah (11179)
• United States
20 Nov 07
how about this analogy?
the republican party is about as republican as the democratic party was in the 1950s.
I think Ron Paul is a laudable candidate. He has not changed his political views on issues that are important to us, while his counterparts are wishy washy.
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@DesigningLife (903)
• United States
11 Nov 07
Interesting analogy...kind of like President Bush claiming to something contrary to the Anti-Christ.
I personally don't care what Ron Paul "calls himself", he still gets my vote. :)
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@AliBabuh (25)
• United States
7 Nov 07
It's more than just a goofy comment about RP, it really shows a fundamental misunderstanding of Republican values. (Oh I hate that word values, but I can't think of a better one!)
Regan redefined the party as the economically intelligent party, the party that was finally laboring to implement what all the Nobel Laureate economists had been saying for decades: do not try to control the economy. Privatization is the only way. In that sense, obviously, Paul is more Republican than anyone else; it just so happens that that point is also considered Libertarian.
The Democrats, by contrast, are the sentimentalists, who are populists with their economic policy (generally speaking, of course)...
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@visitorinvasion (7709)
• United States
12 Dec 07
Wow. Sounds like your research leaves a lot to be desired.
I don't know a whole lot about Mormon/polygamist beliefs, but I do know a lot about Ron Paul and what the Republican party used to represent.
Had you been listening to Dr. Paul, you would have heard him say that he is running as an "old school" Republican, and that the current administration is pretty much destroying what the party used to represent--which is true.
@mkirby624 (1598)
• United States
12 Jan 08
Actually, being for non-intervention doesn't make one an isolationist. He doesn't want to have NOTHING TO DO with other countries. He wants to communicate, work together, and trade together.
He is against our military being in other countries and us getting in people's business where we do not belong. Quite frankly, it's the right thing to do. We're like the world's police, sticking our nose into everything. It's what gets us attacked. Not the fact that we're "rich"
