Keeping the Maiden Name in Marriage?
By worldwise1
@worldwise1 (14885)
United States
November 13, 2007 2:10pm CST
I am aware that it has become popular over the last several decades for the woman to retain her maiden name upon marrying. Before you start calling me a dinosaur, I would just like to say that in the era I grew up in we looked forward to taking the name of our husband to seal our commitment to the marriage. Yes, I know some of the popular reasons women give for not taking the name of their husband these days, but, I can't help but feel that it takes something away from the marriage vow. Go ahead and let me have it. I know that many of you want to.
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@Aurone (4755)
• United States
13 Nov 07
I actually changed my name to my husband's last name when I got married and let me tell you why.
1) I am a biologist and why I understand many research scientist women keep their last name because they have papers published under their maiden name, I had only one paper published at the time--so no big loss for me there.
2) the system is patriarchal anyways--either your father's last name or your husband's. They only way to truly break the cycle is to get your name changed and create your own new last name.
3) if you have kids, try explaining to them why mommy's last name is different than daddy's and why they have a different last name than one of their parents. I think having the same last name creates unity in a family.
Besides my maiden name was Stottman, try getting people to pronounce that sucker or to spell it. German names what you going to do. Lyon is much easier to spell and takes less time to sign. Now don't get me wrong, I am as feminist as the next gal. I wear the pants in my relationship, make most of the money and the decisions. But the last name thing was a fight I didn't want to engage in, because it simply doesn't make that much difference to me. Who I am is not defined by my name. It is defined by my actions.
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@GardenGerty (160663)
• United States
14 Nov 07
Aurone, you are so logical. Maybe dodging my maiden name was another good reason as well. I had had enough to last a lifetime of being Gruesome Grueser. Of course, with my first marriage, I became Mrs. Horrible ( a group of kids did call me that, last name, Hagar)Now I just get called E coli (Echola).We love to make fun of people's names. I do like your logic in your response, though.
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
14 Nov 07
Well, Aurone, I can agree that you are certainly an outspoken gal, LOL. Family was really big where I grew up, and I think it would have been a put down if the woman didn't take her husbands name when they married.
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@Aurone (4755)
• United States
14 Nov 07
Thanks. This was quite an argument in my family when I got married. My Grandmother wanted me to keep my last name. She is quite the feminist and my parents are more traditional and wanted me to take my husbands last name. So I had to seriously give it some thought before I made the decision to take my husband's last name.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
14 Nov 07
It still is common in our part of the world to take on the husband's name after marriage. But I haven't done it and it is true what you say about sealing your commitment. The main reason why I retained my maiden name was because of the huge process involved in changing my surname and both my husband and I didn't want to take that trouble. But there are times when I would like to be known as Mrs. So and so especially when I need to be seen as the woman in the family. There are other times when I am at work, I prefer my maiden name because I then feel I am my own person and don't have the family tag.
My husband and I are still discussing this issue and soon we'll figure out a solution that works. It's very confusing at school, when all of us have different surnames.
If your life revolves around the family and the family is what you are then I don't see anything wrong in taking on your husband's name (my mother did and she had no life beside husband and family).
I still feel it's an individual choice and each family has a different comfort level and it's for both the husband and wife to make a joint decision in this matter.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
15 Nov 07
No, I do not mean professionally. She had no opinions of her own and expected dad and us to do things for her. She was totally dependant on us. But that's not the only reason why people need to change their name after marriage. Even working women who feel they are comfortable in their relationship change their names happily.
Don't get me wrong. My family is the most important thing for me. I quit my high paying job to be with my family and every job I took after that was one where the family was never compromised. But that doesn't mean that I am not my own person and do not have my opinions and thoughts. One of the main reasons that I didn't change my maiden name (which I'd love to do) is that I don't feel that my husband really considers me as part of the family. I feel he wants me to obey his orders and be ONLY a wife and mother. I do not like that attitude. I definitely will not put my family aside to do things that I like or want to do. But he obviously doesn't like me doing it anytime. We are not really partners in this relationship taking joint decisions.
I would actually love to change to my husband's name and like I said we are still talking about it because I don't want to change it just for the sake of doing so. I want to feel the dedication to the relationship before I do it. What if we decide to separate? I don't want to go through the hassles of changing again.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
15 Nov 07
I forgot to mention that in our community (which is matriarchal), 'the dinosaurs' (lol..couldn't resist) never changed their maiden name. In fact, the kids took on the mother's family name. Then through the years, it progressed to the kids having the initials of BOTH their father's and mother's family name. Taking on the husband's name is a recent development in our community (and it's the husband's first name and not the family name that is taken).
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
14 Nov 07
Although I don't fully understand what you mean when you say,"...my mother did and she had no life beside husband and family", SViswan, I assume you are speaking of professionally. For some women husband and family is the ultimate joy in life.
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@GardenGerty (160663)
• United States
13 Nov 07
I would always take my newly married name. That is my opinion, and I will join you in the land of the dinosaurs. I do understand that some women have reasons to keep their maiden name, but like you, I feel in some ways it is a lack of commitment.
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
14 Nov 07
I know for me it was a big deal, GG, sort of like taking on a new identity to begin a new life.
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@Monkeyrose (2840)
• Canada
15 Nov 07
So wouldn't that make it a lack of commitment because a man doesn't take a woman's married name? The changing of the name signifys ownership traditionally being passed on. My friend is columbian and the do not change their last name... just add it. and the children take on the mothers last name as well.
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@Calais (10893)
• Australia
13 Nov 07
i think Im with you on this one...I didnt want to keep my maiden name, I suppose because it was so 'trendy' to do so...I didnt want to be like everyone else... I dont know maybe Im old fashioned too..But I dont see any point at all in keeping the maiden name...
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
14 Nov 07
Yes, Calais, I can even understand if a woman wants to hyphenate her maiden name and married name. It just makes more sense to me.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
13 Nov 07
It all depends on what your definition of marriage is.And it is up to the future wife if she changes her name or not.If All women had to change their names, there would be less married people. They would just live together.I am definitely not the marrying kind but if I were, I would add my hubby's name to my maiden name. That way I am honoring both families.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
14 Nov 07
I feel by taking another name, you are dishonoring your family name.Worst, by changing the wife's name is like she is property not a person.
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
14 Nov 07
Well, sarah, I only know of one definition for marriage, but I might be a bit behind the times. In my opinion, you honor your family just by the fact that you are born into it, but you honor your husband by taking his name as yours when you marry him.
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@carolbee (16230)
• United States
14 Nov 07
I was so glad to leave my maiden name behind since it was so long and nobody understood me. Always had to repeat myself.
When we were married, hyphenated last names weren't common. Everyone took their husband's last name and was proud to do so. I think it's a personal choice in this day and age.
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
14 Nov 07
Yes, carolbee, it is a personal choice in this day and age.
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
14 Nov 07
I find no harm in keeping the maiden name or changing it to husband's. Its subjective and I should not be judgemental. But, I have seen women, who have unfortunately gone through divorce, coping with the long, rigorous process of changing their names in bank accounts, passport and in every other papers. In many parts, The father's name is very important and they keep their father's full name officialy. That is justified.
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
15 Nov 07
You could be happy keeping your last husband's name and I have no problem as to that. However, I would not like to keep his name with whom I did not share my life with.
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
14 Nov 07
I don't know any country where you would be required to go back to your maiden name following divorce, mimpi. I have been divorced for 30 years and I still use my last husband's name. I earned it through the process of marrying him, and that makes it mine as well.
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@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
14 Nov 07
You are such a dinosaur! JUST KIDDING!!! ;-D....Seriously though, I DID NOT change my name when I got married but the reason being the simple fact that my kids couldnt change their names (their father wouldnt have approved at all)...Now my daughter has MY maiden name so I could have changed hers if she wanted but not her brothers (he has his dads last name) so it just made more sense to not change mine.....
If things would have been different though I still dont know if I'd have taken my husbands name...i doubt it to be honest with you...I mean for me personally it just isnt necessary ya know...not to mention, I have all my accounts, legal documents etc etc in my maiden name (keep in mind I didnt get married til I was in my 30s so there are lots of yrs worth compared to if i'd gotten married younger and before kids etc) and so on....It would have been more of a hassle then anything...
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
14 Nov 07
I really am a dinosaur, Ravenladyj! I believe that people have become so caught up in being politically correct they have forgotten good, common sense.
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@Shaun72 (15959)
• Palatka, Florida
13 Nov 07
I don't blame you a bit really. When I divorced my ex husband I wanted my madiden name back. I think if I ever happen to get married again I will keep my maiden name. I guess I am not very trusting anymore. At the same time I need to move on and not worry about the past.
@Shaun72 (15959)
• Palatka, Florida
14 Nov 07
Well my ex and I had a fight and he told me I didn't deserve his last name so of course I changed it back to my former one. that in plus we didn't even last a year. I mean he cheated on me four months after I married him so yeah I didn't want to keep his last name jerk.
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@braided (698)
• Canada
14 Nov 07
yes i agree why would anyone give up their name to be saddled for the rest of your life by a name of a jerk .... I was married for 12 years and when i left that man ... i wanted to leave everything behind and start new .... my name my life was going to be my own again ..i wanted nothing to remind me of the biggest mistake I had ever made ....
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
14 Nov 07
Each time I married, Shaun, I took my husband's name. For me, it was the choice I liked best. I have been divorced from my last husband for a very long time now, and I have never seen a reason to change it back.
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@andrejuly84 (1047)
• Romania
14 Nov 07
i guess i would like to keep my maiden name,most of all because i gave to my baby that name,so i don't want herto feel different if i would get my husband's name.
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
14 Nov 07
That isn't a very good reason, andrejuly, since it is a simple process to change your baby's name any time you want.
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
14 Nov 07
Well you are going to be disappointed with me! I won't let you have it, and besides I am an old Dinosaur. In the era that I grew up nobody ever thought of keeping their own name. But lately a great many do, and its because nobody really believes their Marriage will last so they won't have to change it back later.
As far as the Marriage vow is concerned, Its not worth the Paper its written on. After all over 50% of all marriages Fail so why bother anyway?
@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
14 Nov 07
It's a reflection on our society, barehugs, that the divorce rate is so high. It can all be traced directly to the loosening of morals and lack of commitment on the part of people today.
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
14 Nov 07
And the loosening of morals and lack of committment can be traced directly back to lack of instruction by the Christian Church.The Church is primarily interested in Power and Money. The Church has had 2000 years to make a difference and has failed miserably. Its time for a change!
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@isaiah12 (416)
• United States
14 Nov 07
I have been divorced for the past 19 years. When I got married I took my husbands name. After the divorce I kept his last name. I had two small daughters and thought it would be less confusing for them.
If I was to marry again I would again take my husbands last name. The way I feel is that when you love someone enough to marry them the two of you became as one. That is marriage to me, two becaming one flesh. And taking his name is a part of that.
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
14 Nov 07
I couldn't have said it better, isaiah12. It's frightening to me that people are so afraid of being who they are in today's world. They are content to follow along and allow someone else to dictate what they should say or do in any given situation. I remember the days when the word "Mrs.," was worn with pride and honor.
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@angemac23 (2003)
• Canada
14 Nov 07
It's not a lack of commitment, its actually kind of sexist for a woman to be expected to take her husbands name. The husband gets to carry his name one, but unless the woman has brothers, her name stops! Why doesn't the husband ever take the woman's name? Wouldn't that be a sign of commitment as well? I dont even understand why this "rule" ever came about. Does anyone know the history behind it?
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
14 Nov 07
Progressives always have a neat little category in which to place everything, angemac. I don't think it's sexist(whatever that means), to want to honor your husband.
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@angemac23 (2003)
• Canada
15 Nov 07
ok, but why can't the husband ever honor the wife by taking her name? Men and women are equal and if my husband is not willing to honor me than why would I honor him. I have yet to hear a man taking the woman's name, so why doesn't that happen more often?
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@AJ1952Chats (2332)
• Anderson, Indiana
14 Nov 07
I love answering questions like these, as they just give me another excuse to talk about Russell T. Hartsaw--whose last name I'd love to take when we're both ready!
Likely, I'm much more ready than he is! LOL
Anyway, let's talk about Russell and what makes him so very special to me.
I think that starting at the preface of this blog and reading forward will give you a great understanding...
http://vh1952.blogspot.com/2007/06/preface.html
Check out a recent discussion I've started about face time and the people we meet online!
The following link will take you to that and six more discussions of interest...
http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1324089.aspx
Now! Back to the name thing...
I'm almost 55 years old and have never been married. During this time, I've made a name for myself in writing that I would love to keep, but I would still want my husband to be included in it.
Since I can't think of anyone better to use as an example, I'm going to use Russell... (tee-hee!)
My name would go from:
Ainsley Jo Phillips
to:
Ainsley Jo Phillips-Hartsaw
Doesn't that sound wonderful!?!!!!!!
As far as just what I'd be known by in normal conversation, however,
Ainsley Jo Hartsaw
works just fine for me!
I hope I get the chance to do more than speculate about this...WooHoo!
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@AJ1952Chats (2332)
• Anderson, Indiana
14 Nov 07
No way!
Although I don't believe that you have to marry to be a complete person, I still feel that the right person completes you--as in beyond simply being a complete person.
Russell and I have not only e-mailed each other but have, also, gotten to the point of telephone and snail-mail correspondence--but we've not yet had face time.
Even under those circumstances, I feel very close to Russell, and knowing him enhances me instead of the other way around.
@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
14 Nov 07
I certainly like your style, AJ! I take it that you don't feel threatened for fear that adding your husbands name will detract from who you are. Way to go.
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@serenidity (641)
• India
13 Nov 07
I have best of both the worlds ! I changed my name in the passport so that my daughter, me and my husband have the same family name for all legal purposes. For my profession and personal things I keep using my maiden name.
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
14 Nov 07
Now, that is what I consider a great compromise, serenidity. You are honoring your husband while maintaining your independence.
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@peanutjar (5198)
• Canada
14 Nov 07
Hi worldwise1.I gave our daughter her dads last name and im jealous that she hasit and i dont,hahaha!I would love to have his last name.Even if i did not have mine as a out their in the public thing i do have my last name.It doesnt bother me and i believe like you in the old fashion way of taking the husbands last name.
Peanutjar:)
@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
14 Nov 07
I think it is only natural, peanutjar, for a woman to want her man's name for herself and her children. I don't find anything wrong with it.
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@zigzagbuddha (4601)
• United States
14 Nov 07
I would never get married. First off, I saw the word 'obey' in the wedding vows. I know you can make your own vows these days, but it's a flawed and tainted institution. Not even taking into consideration the cost of divorce!!! No sense in bothering to get married if you're gonna change your mind later and pay dearly to do it!
Secondly, I read somewhere that marriage was originally instituted so that men could have free slaves in their wives and children. And look at some other histories, where women were considered the property of their husbands, and buried alive with them! No, you will never find me trying to decide who's name to use. I'll keep my own thank you.
And like Mae West was reputed to have said "Marriage is a fine institution, but who wants to live in an institution?"
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
14 Nov 07
If you are not a Christian, zigzagbuddha, I suppose marriage wouldn't be important to you. Not everyone gets married with the intention of one day being divorced. Marriage is hard work for both parties involved. Maybe back in history some cultures who were not enlightened viewed marriage as a chance to acquire property, but these people were not civilized. I have seen many happy, successful marriages over the years that were filled with mutual respect. My great-aunt and great-uncle who raised me were very happily married for 59 years. That speaks volumes to me.
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@Monkeyrose (2840)
• Canada
14 Nov 07
Yes you are right those were different times. A lot of women still look forward to taking their partner's name. I would not like to do this. I just don't see a need for it. My name has been a part of my idenity for 24 years and to change it I would find jarring. Why doesn't the man change his last name?
Of course I may feel differently when I fall in love.
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
14 Nov 07
The change of name, Monkeyrose, signifies a new beginning, not a new person. You will always be the person you are-no matter what name you go by. Changing your name should be considered a milestone along your pathway to growing and becoming a more mature person.
@Monkeyrose (2840)
• Canada
15 Nov 07
I disagree but like i said, at this point in time marriage is far from my mind. My name is Christine. People always call me christina by accident or because they forget... or chrissy or whaterver. To me its important Its a label for who I am.