What Are Your Feelings About Animal, Care and Control?
By pyewacket
@pyewacket (43903)
United States
November 14, 2007 9:18pm CST
I was reflecting on that horrific story about the pet massacre that took place in Puerto Rico recently and had done a discussion about it a week ago. You can see it here.
http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1322061.aspx
Then I noticed in the top news stories posted here the same topic was made, and once again I felt my anger about it all. To recap, Puerto Rico's animal care and control went into one town and siezed all the pets from pet owners that lived in projects that had severe no=pet clause. Instead of taking the pets to the animal care and control shelter they instead just dumped the pets off a bridge to their deaths.
The whole thing made me think about Animal Care and Control in general. I'll admit I'm no great fan of theirs. Number one they ARE a kill shelter, but as many of my pet rescuer friends have told me, that if you think many of the no-kill animal shelters are truly no-kill think again. There are just too many unwanted pets and too few people willing to adopt pets. The statistics are in general, that for every single pet, from every single shelter is to be adopted every single person in America alone would have to adopt at least Nine pets.
From the Humane Society website I got this statistic
How many animals enter shelters each year? And how many are euthanized?
The HSUS estimates that animal shelters care for between 6–8 million dogs and cats every year in the United States, of whom 3–4 million are euthanized. This is certainly a tragedy. There are simply not enough responsible homes for all of these wonderful, innocent animals. At this point in time, it would be impossible to humanely house every unwanted animal in the United States.
Also is this
How long are animals held at an animal shelter before being euthanized?Most shelters don't set a maximum amount of time they will hold an animal. In the vast majority of cases, decisions about euthanasia are based on the adoptability of the animal and the space available to humanely house the animal at the shelter. When an animal arrives as a stray, there is usually an established holding period to allow the animal's owner a chance to find him. This stray holding period is often set by law and varies from community to community.
The HSUS recommends that shelters hold stray animals for a minimum of five operating days, including a Saturday. After the stray holding period, staff should evaluate the animal to see if he is healthy, friendly, and adoptable. If he is, and space is available at the shelter, they should hold him and try to find him a new home. Rather than giving him a time limit, the shelter should strive to ensure that he remains healthy and adoptable. If the animal becomes stressed, aggressive, or sick at the shelter, or if space becomes a problem, euthanasia may be considered.
You can see the whole article
here:
http://www.hsus.org/pets/animal_shelters/common_questions_about_animal_shelters_and_animal_control.html#3
Now we come to my beef with Animal Care & Control. They claim that they euthanize pets "Humanely"...to that I say bullcrap. The so-called humane way of euthanizing a pet is just too darn expensive for the thousands of pets that go into AC&C to be humanely put down. THEY STILL USE GAS CHAMBERS to kill off the unwanted pets.
One time a friend and I were walking toward the main large street in my neighborhood, when this gigantic long-trailer Mac truck with the Animal Care & Control logo zoomed by. My friend said "You know what that is, don't you?" No, I didn't. She said that's the truck that takes the dead bodies of all the pets that were euthanized to the dump. My jaw dropped and honestly I began shaking, thinking of all the dead pets that were killed off and in that truck.
Yes, there are too many unwanted pets, but if they are going to be euthanized, can't they at least be humanely put down, instead of shoving them into gas chambers?
I have a personal beef with AC&C. Unfortunately my mother had created an over pet population which should never have happened to begin with, and twice we were threatened with eviction. For a long time I was reaching out to many rescuers to at least take in one cat each but none helped out until practically zero hour before real eviction could have taken place. Wonderfully several pet rescuers did come to my help and took many of my kitties and I'm in constant contact with them and they tell me all cats are doing great.
Unfortunately, before this happened, our lawyer was ansty pantsy, and told us to get the cat population down, like pronto, so yes, AC&C came into the action. Now fortunately, yet another rescuer was tracking the cats as they went in and she was getting many out and now has them, but not all. Some were immediately put down due to age mainly. The worse was the fate of Porthos.
Whenever the AC&C agent came, and it usually was the same one, I was the one, who at least handled the cats to put them into the cages. Then one day, another agent came, and I wasn't able to reach Porthos so he took this metal clasper type thing which went around the neck of an animal and dragged him out and put him into the steel cage.
Later that night, I got a call from the rescuer, and she asked me, did you have a cat named Porthos, and I said yes, and she proceeded to tell me that they had to put him down right away, due to severe injuries he had.....He had severe bruises on his back and a broken jaw! I can't tell how friggin guilty I felt that this wonderful cat, perfectly healthy and maybe adoptable and could have been rescued by my rescuer friend had this fate on him.
After that I vowed I wasn't going to have AC&C come and take anymore of our cats, which freaked out our lawyer no end..she kept screaming at me to get the population down to just two cats. But I didn't give a shat...no way was AC&C going to get anymore cats. Thankfully the other rescuers helped me out and I was able to place the remaining cats with them
Now don't get me wrong, not all AC&C agents are hideous monsters...not all are like the ones in Puerto Rico, or that agent who abused one of my cats. Many actually went to help the Katrina pets that had been abandoned. However, upon the rescuer's suggestion she told me to file an official complaint against the agent as this was outright animal abuse on HIS part and I was later told he was fired from his job as it turned out he had created other "incidents" with pets as well.
Sorry this is so long winded...but here's the thing.
What are YOUR feelings about Animal Care & Control in general? Do you think moves should be made to at least turn their status of kill shelter to a no-kill one? Don't forget, not that long ago, even ASPCA WAS a kill shelter and is no longer
I have a picture of Porthos...no there was nothing wrong with his eye,..he was winking at me when I took the photo
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12 responses
@faith210 (11224)
• Philippines
15 Nov 07
Hi pyewacket! That is horrible! In my country, I can see many stray cats and dogs and are left out to fend for themselves. The abuse that they can get is being left out in the open without any shelter and food. My husband and his brothers have always take home strays especially the cats, they were fed and given shelter, they just come and go until now. They are always fed when they come for a visit. i just hope people will be more kind to animals. And I do believe that animal control has lived up to its name, Control, siege and kill. I hope they will have nightmares of all the animals they have abused and killed. Take care and have a nice day.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
15 Nov 07
That is so great to hear how your husband and his brothers take in strays and how they are takenn care of. Yes, AC&C certainly does sieze and kill animals. Can't stand them
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@3lilangels (4639)
• United States
15 Nov 07
i agree with you and also with pye,thats so horrible what people do to such innocent animals,i hope they have more than just nitemares i hope it kills them good about what they are doing.if i could i would take every single animal that needs a home but i have to win the lottery first then i would do that.it's just soooo sad.pattie
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
15 Nov 07
first off if the people cant take care of a pet they shouldnt get one. and tehn if they do get one and dont want babies have them spaded or nreutered.
and I know it sounds mean but wehn the shelters get over crowded just what are they do do with them .
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
26 Nov 07
I agree with you. It's just heartbreaking that the problem my mother had created didn't have to happen at all with our cats. All she had to do was take one of the cats to be fixed. I wasn't able to travel due to my disability so couldn't take them to the vet, but there was nothing wrong with my mother that she couldn't have
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@badkat83 (1620)
• United States
15 Nov 07
i believe if our government would pass something that made the shelters do free spaying and fixing of animals the population would go down and hence so would the amount of stays being brought into the shelter.
we have stay cats that live outside my moms. we are animal lovers so we feed them. we are not rich and cannot bring these animals to get fixed. hence there are babies.
if we could get free fixing there would be no babies. which in turn there would be no more cats eventually.
i feel bad for these strays, i would never take them to the pound in fear they would be killed...if they are killed outside by an animal or something then that is nature.
i have come to the fact that i cannot save them all. i would love to. but then i would be in divorce court. : )
i have had 5 cats and many dogs. i am down to 3 cats and 1 dog. i cannot even go into a shelter anymore in fear that i will have a nervous breakdown and start crying. it is so sad. : (
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
26 Nov 07
It also doesn't help that another reason for overpopulation of dogs and cats are created by the puppy and kitten mills that breed pets uncontrollably. There are actually many rescuers who work with feral cats and dogs and do a trap, nueter and release..that is they trap the feral animal, take it to be spayed/neutered and then re-released to the feral colonies. Many of these rescuers do this out of their own pocket money too.
I know a friend of mine who loves to feed the strays too. The horrible thing is that there is someone in the building that actually poisons a lot of the cats...she has no idea who either
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@sumofalltears (3988)
• United States
15 Nov 07
I don't see how animal shelters can operate on a no kill system. The facts speak for themselves in that there are more unwanted pets than owners. I think they might make a greater impact if they required that animals be neutered. Make it free clinics for spaying and neutering. I think it will take time to get things under control, but eventually it would happen. I don't see a totally humane solution at this present time because of the massive over population. I love animals, but there is a limit to what can be done.
I do think that anyone working for an animal shelter should not be mistreating the animals. If you can't treat something small and defenseless with compassion then you need to find a different job.....become a prison guard or something.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
15 Nov 07
Yes, that agent who mishandled Porthos most certainly would have been better as a prison guard and I was so glad when I learned they fired him. Same with the agents who just dumped those pets off a bridge--they should work as prison guards to
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
15 Nov 07
I do share your concern as to what ultimately happens to these animals, pyewacket, but I have had no dealings with the AC&C. In a world such as we live in where people have no care and consideration for fellow humans, it comes as no surprise that they would care even less for the humane treatment of animals. I have heard many people speak about how much they hate cats and dogs, so I'm guessing there are thousands who feel the same way. The only solution to the problem of putting animals down inhumanely is continued pressure on those who are responsible for making those decisions. Sorry to hear about what happened to Porthos.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
15 Nov 07
You're lucky that you never had to deal with AC&C. I had a bitter feeling toward them for a long time, even before what happened to Porthos, and worse yet what happened to those pets in Puerto Rico.
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@iluvmypug (21)
• United States
15 Nov 07
it is a horribly sad situation. i think much stronger laws need to be taken into effect. it is like animals have absolutely no rights. it saddens me dearly.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
26 Nov 07
Unfortunately pets are still considered just "property"
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@meme0907 (3481)
• United States
20 Nov 07
pw,
it's a sad situation but unfourtunately like you stated we'd have to all adopt multiple pets in order to save them all & I can barely afford my own living expenses.Yes,I do plan on adopting a pet from our local hamane society in the future when I'm sure that I'll once again be able to afford all the costs of having one but in the mean time I'm sure many will die.I do believe our pets go to heaven b/c God loves His animals that's my only consolation.
+'s |:)
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
26 Nov 07
I would like to think that when my time comes and I make the great transition that I'll be greeted by all my "friends" :)
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
19 Nov 07
I don't know what it's like in your country but here, dogs have to be registered. It's also suggested that cats be registered too and both species microchipped. Checks could be done and penalties imposed on people who don't register and care for their animals.
Apparently, one of the problems we have locally, is getting someone to do the job as the worker has to live in the community. Apparently people tend to go after the local ranger if he does his job and removes an animal.
Sadly, it's my feeling that tjhe ownersa are too irresponsible in lettin their animals breed.
I'd like to see moire legislation regarding animal ownership.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
26 Nov 07
Oh, dogs do have to be registered too, and of course many dogs and cats are usually microchipped, but it still doesn't really mean anything to those who are completely irresponsible and maybe just dump the pet out in the streets.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
26 Nov 07
I do not know about the States, but here in Canada we have the SPCA and when they have to put the animals to sleep, they use a needle. Except for the needle, it is painless and it is like the animal does go to sleep. Mind you, I am just as angry about elderly people being put down as you are about pets, especially cats, but more so. What you have to do is to call the ASPCA. The AC&C sounds like our Pound and they are in the business of getting the animal population down, not releasing them for adoption.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
26 Nov 07
We have the ASPCA too, but they are a lot pickier about taking in pets and charge a fortune of a fee to take them in--don't forget when my mom and I were being faced with eviction we had to reduce the number of cats FAST according to our lawyer
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
28 Nov 07
All this happened last year. I did manage to get a lot of my kitties with pet rescuers upstate. So not all went to AC&C thank goodness. I still keep in touch with them too, and they, the kitties are doing fine. My mother was technically speaking a pet hoarder. She passed away last August 2006
@jazgottt (1180)
• Poland
15 Nov 07
I'm so sorry about Porthos. I live in Poland and we don't have such strict regulations about stray pets. Many stray cats live outside. There are many people who feed them regurally or occasionally. I know one lady, who lives near me, and she has about 10 cats and 2 dogs. Neighbours help her with taking care of her pets. Noone is trying to force this lady to give her pets to the shelter.
Killing innocent animals is a horrible idea for me.
take care.
jagottt
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
26 Nov 07
It's unfortunate though that stray cats (and dogs) will only breed a lot more though unless they can be fixed
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@ChaJudLeoBit (1656)
• United States
26 Nov 07
Just how many cats did you have when they came for them??
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@ChaJudLeoBit (1656)
• United States
26 Nov 07
The broken jaw part of Porthos' treatment sounds horrible. What on earth did they do to him?!??!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
26 Nov 07
As I mentioned, I have no doubt, when that AC&C used that metal clasper thing that went around Porthos's neck is what created the broken jaw. As for how many cats.. mmmm...I did an article about this with Associated Content, as my mother did have hoarder personality...you can read then how many cats there were...a LOT
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/357371/living_with_a_pet_hoarder.html
@peanutjar (5198)
• Canada
16 Nov 07
Hi pyewacket:)I wish i owned a shelter for animals,everyone of them would get a second chance in life,they would be loved no matter what and i would work hard to find a home for them.Instead of just "getting" rid of them for no reason at all.I dont trust any animal shelter at all!My cousin use to own one,she loved animals alot and it was very hard on her to see how many animals that were not wanted,abused and not cared for or exchanged for another one that the "person" thought would be better because they got sick of the older one.She had to quite her job and sell the shelter to another person because of the depression she was starting to go through after all the years of being around unwanted animals.She worked hard for donations,having bake sales and anything she could think of for raising money to take care of the animals.She also reprted "ALOT" of people for cruelty and rescued alot also.I can never look at another picture/wesite of another animal being abused since the one about the discussion you made one time about animal testing.It,well,hurt me alot inside and the pain is unbearable to go through again and the dreams/nightmares about my own animals i had.My heart breaks again every time a picture/memeory of what i saw comes into my mind.Im having one now,sorry gotta go.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
26 Nov 07
A lot of rescuers tend to get out of the business cause it IS so depressing to think of all the animals that aren't wanted--and it wasn't exactly like the kitties I had weren't wanted but the number my mother had allow to be created was way out of hand for a small apartment. If we had had a house it would have been different