Turkey in the EU
By urbandekay
@urbandekay (18278)
8 responses
@the_ruler (1442)
• Turkey
1 Mar 08
All you have been taught is a big lie!
I don't know where you are joining from but you are really living in a big lie.
they didn't attemt to genocide the Armenians. Well, many of your politicians and many of the people above are just trying to put black lines on Turkey. Well, you are succeeding.
First, I don't think you know about history, the history that they mention about the genocide and someone told what we are doing in northern Iraq!!
Well, during the war (I think it was 1st world war) do you know what armenians did to Turkish people there? And the ONLY thing that happened to armenians were they were just forced to move. I NEVER believe you would do LESS if the same thing happened to people in your country. THE GERMANS are already burning house of turkish people there! And then they mention the same things! What a justice!
Additionally, I don't know if you really know about PKK! They have killed more than 40thousand people in last 20 years and there are many mothers and wives still crying for their husbands and sons! Do you remember what happened after 11th of September? Do you remember what G. Bush did? And do you know why Saddam was killed? The reason? U.S. is responsible of bringing "democracy" to other countries with lots of petrol?
I am sure one day they will find a way to bring "democracy" to Turkey...
I am sure we have a more democratic environment over here. At least we don't attack others for money and petrol and we are not barbarians like Bush and his supporters.
Well, what about the prohibition of refusing armenian genocide in France? Is this really democratic? We are having really "nice" democracy lessons from France who have killed many many people in Africa, and Germans who have killed many Jewish people in their country and still burning Turkish houses.
It looks you only read things on your side... Be more democratic please... but not like what U.S. is bringing all over here...
Declaring war on terrorists (who have killed more than 30thousand people here) is not something unfair, trust me you would have done more if the same thing happened to you
@urbandekay (18278)
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1 Mar 08
I comment on your earlier points later, when I have more time but for the moment, let me just say that Israel is not and never has been, nor expressed any wish to be part of the European Union, quite where you got that crazy notion from I have no idea.
all the best urban
@the_ruler (1442)
• Turkey
1 Mar 08
and a few words about cyprus...
Nobody went there for no reason! There were many people living in Cyprus and the foreign facists were attacking them all the time. Even my parents remember the issues happened in there! Many turkish homes were assasinated and many people (including pregnant women) were killed by them!
They were just trying to populate the island with only their side.
Turkey failed to make its voice heard by other countries because Turkey is not a christian country. You all believed what you wanted to believe. The Cyprus issue is something to SAVE the needed people there. Nothing more..
@the_ruler (1442)
• Turkey
1 Mar 08
If I am not wrong, Israel is a member of the Europan Union.
Yes, ISRAEL is really a part of the europe geographically, since Turkey has more than 6 cities in europe and not a part of it.
@urbandekay (18278)
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25 Nov 07
Yes, ok the murderous and barbarous history of that time is well known but then most countries have their share of brutal pasts, the Armenian massacres where in the last century. Mind you, I suppose many countries don't deny their past brutality in the way Muslims often seek to. So, maybe a full and frank admission of all the past is desirable?
all the best urban
@urbandekay (18278)
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25 Nov 07
Well, they still deny the attempted genocide of Armenians, are their other such atrocities to which they don't admit?
all the best urban
@raydene (9871)
• United States
27 Nov 07
Urban, I am not there so I don't get a vote..My cousin's children are half Turkish..besides wasn't this along time ago? It is not still going on is it?
I will have to do some research on this...If it truely still goes on then if I were in EU I would not welcome Turkey.
Happy Holidays
@urbandekay (18278)
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27 Nov 07
It's not that it is still going on but that the Turks refuse to admit to it.
all the best urban
@aaidjs (1149)
• Croatia (Hrvatska)
24 Nov 07
Hello Dear Friend!!In my opinion it is better for all Armenians if Turkey become a part of big EU family!As a part of EU they will be force to be an democratic society with a good low and independent court and judges!!If Europa deny to open Eu door for Turkey ,they can become a strong conservative Muslim country!It will be nice if we can have opinion from first hand ,from a member from Turkey!!See you and Regards Silvana
@urbandekay (18278)
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24 Nov 07
Well, there are a lot of good points in what you say but still should they not first own up and apologise to the Armenians?
Yes, lets hear from any Turks out there
all the best urban
@jormungand (91)
• Turkey
31 Dec 07
Yes aaidjs, that is why I want Turkey to join EU most. To be a more democratic country. And if EU continues to force Turkey to do some things this hard, I'm afraid of the possibility of cutting all the ties and being a closed islamic and/or semi-fascist state. Because I think there are some people who want that here in Turkey. But, as a member of EU, these cannot happen. So I think, two sides must try to understand each other more and Turkey should join EU as soon as possible.
@urbandekay (18278)
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31 Dec 07
Jourmungand, what you say may be true but those seem to be Turkeys own concerns. Let Turkey fix its human right abuses and apologise to the Armenians before seeking ingress to the EU.
all the best urban
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
20 Feb 08
I have to admit I waffle on this issue.. between thinking [1] let the past lie, and [2] if they can't own up to such an awful abuse, just how democratically minded can they be?
@cdparazo (5765)
• Philippines
26 Nov 07
I don't know the rules governing the EU but I know that economic factor is one of the considering factor for one to be admitted to EU. If economically they could do it then why not. But if human welfare also comes into, then I guess, they should have to solve that problem with genocide first before they could even be considered.
