How much would you pay for a dog ? When does it become ridiculous?
By dloveli
@dloveli (4366)
United States
November 30, 2007 6:11am CST
I love animals, especially dogs! I have a friend that raises boxers. She calls herself a breeder. Shes had the boxers for about 1 year, maybe alittle more. My problem is this: She had a litter of puppies 10 weeks ago, then another litter 6 weeks ago. She has 5 puppies left from the first litter that are growing extremely fast. Nine puppies from the last. She charges $1500-$2000 for a puppy. She also had alot of white puppies. The Akc doesnt even have a category for this. WHite dogs are said to have more health problems.(I am not a vet I am just summarizing) Yet she still feels as if she can charge this amount. In the past she has sold puppies but I believe she is lying about the price. When is the money too much? I understand the whole breeding craze. Shouldnt the price depend on experience, conditions, age, and color. As she does use some of those considerations. Its like she is greedy or likes the idea of turning someone down cause they cant afford it. To hear her talk its awful? I just ignore when she goes on her tangents. Do you think she should lower her price as they get older? She breeds in her basement,is that proper conditions for high prices like this? Am I right or should I let sleeping dogs lie?lol
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@mamasan34 (6518)
• United States
30 Nov 07
She is what people in the breeding world call "backyard breeders". They are not experienced and don't have history. I do believe she is charging a lot. She doesn't have an AKC champion or a blood line to trace that can justify the price. My ex-mother in law is a doberman and dachsund breeder. Her dogs are AKC champions or came from a blood line relative to it but she doesn't even charge that much for her dogs. There is so much to know in breeding. The physique itself is very important to what you can charge. If she is having white puppies and they aren't even recognized by the AKC I don't think she should be charging that much at all. Is she even giving them their shots and preparing them for the buyer? My ex-mother in law did this as well as part of the package as a good faith effort for her customers. It appears your friends eyes are clouded by opportunity to easy money and not considering the dogs health. It is important not to breed back to back, the female will suffer in the long run and puppies are born less than healthy. As for the basement breeding ground, I dont' have a problem with it as long as she is keeping the area clean and making sure the dogs and pups are well fed and taken care of. It's sad that your friend is like that.
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@dloveli (4366)
• United States
2 Dec 07
She does register with the AKC. Her basement is clean. I feel that she just isnt happy unless she has it all. According to her, she will breed twice than wait a year. I have a pure bred dog myself(male pomeranian). They are said to be worth alot. I only paid $300. This isnt the first conversation Ive brought to myLot about different issues with her. Everytime someone says the same thing. Shes greedy and just wants me to see all the things I dont have.
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@dloveli (4366)
• United States
30 Nov 07
Thanks for your response. I think there is a fine line between breeding for the love of animals and breeding for the love of money. And when you cross that line, you end up suffering in the end. Once your dogs start growing the interest lessens. People want puppies, but not at the cost of a months rent. I think my friend is kicking herself and doesnt want to admit it. Greed doesnt pay cause now shell be giving them away!
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@palonghorn (5479)
• United States
30 Nov 07
I agree with you, for one thing she is breeding the dog too often, that's not good for the mother dog or the puppies. As you don't say anything about them being show champions, and since she is doing this in her basement, I'm thinking she is a little ridiculous on her price. I have a Chesapeake Bay Retriever, we are planning on breeding her, but she comes from Champion blood, as does the male we will be breeding her too, and even with that background we will only be charging $500 - $600 per puppy. A lot of people see it as an easy way to make money, and that is where you get into breeding less than desireable puppies. And no, breeding in her basement is not the proper conditions, unless it is a finished basement with a kennel for the dog and puppies, and pens for the older puppies to be seperated from the mom. We paid $600 for our dog from a very reputable breeder, and my daughter paid $800 for her new puppy, but we checked out the breeders before we bought them. And we knew we were getting an AKC registered puppy in good health. Is she even registering her litters?
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@peanutjar (5198)
• Canada
30 Nov 07
H:)
I paid $500.00 canadian for our dog pomerian.Id only pay that amount again,no higher.
Peanutjar:)
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@peanutjar (5198)
• Canada
30 Nov 07
I agree that they have to have experience in things like this,especially when it comes to breeding with all the diseases that sometimes happens with breeding/over breeding of an animal.My friend breeds german sheperds and she has had those dogs for many years before she actually started thinking about breeding/setting up her own breeding business.It take time,ove and alot of effort to put into this.She's not out for the money(it does pay good),she loves this breed of dog and only breeds her female 2 times a year and sometimes gives her 3-4 puppies,which are then sold to a good person that has to have a background check.Alot of breeders sell sick animals,that happened to my ex-boyfriends mother who bought a miniture lassie which ended up dieing after 1 week of bringing her home.She was devastated,the woman would not give her money back and she paid $1000.00 for this dog.Took her to court and she had to pay her after investigating that all the dogs were sick and she did fraud.She wa too scared of loosing money because she "reserved" this puppy for my exs-mom.You have to have alot of knowledge about everything that comes with breeding animals and the health of the dog before it gets pregnant,special concerns and after the birth.Its alot of work.You just cant stick a dog in a basement and say,"o.k now its time,i will start making money and dogs".Usually you build a special building or something,not a basement,seems weird to me.
Peanut:)
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@dloveli (4366)
• United States
30 Nov 07
Dont get me wrong, I think that some dogs are worth big money. My point was that here is this woman, just beginning to set up a business in breeding in her cellar. She takes excellent care of the dogs but I think there is more to it than that. You need to do a lot of networking to get your name out there... Also I f she has to end up giving them away and people find out, she'll never get the price she wants. Thanks for the reply. I wanted to make sure I wasnt the only one to feel this way.
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@BayleighGray (4334)
• United States
30 Nov 07
Hi Dloveli,
I've never had to buy a AKC dog. I had a registerd Red Nose Pit Bull once, but he was given to me. I'm not sure what would really be too much.
I do think that she sounds a little shady. Breeding them in her basement? Um most breeders have land with outside kennels and pens and special places to breed the dogs. Sounds just like she has a couple of pets, a male and a female dog, and is letting them go at it when ever they are in heat. LOL That's not a breeder.
But I guess if she has papers on them and that's what they are going for, then I can't really say wether it's too much or not. I imagine if they are not really puppies anymore, she should lower the price. I hope she is having them treated by a vet while in her care. A breeder will do that too.
Bay Lay Gray xx
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@Monkeyrose (2840)
• Canada
30 Nov 07
Wow I really wonder at people paying that much for dogs. I think with so many animals being put-down because they cannot find them homes this is silly.
Pure breds are often inbred too and have a lot of problems.
But yes people pay prices like this for dogs.
@magikrose (5429)
• United States
30 Nov 07
For me I refuse to apy any price for a dog. I would rather go to an animal shelter and adopt a dog from there. At least I know the dog is healthy and has been fixed before I bring it home.
Do I think she is being greedy HELL YES I do. That is crazy to charge that much for a dang dog. She needs to further her reaserch and be competitive to others by offering better quality and lower prices.
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@jillbeth (2705)
• United States
30 Nov 07
I don't really know about prices, but what she is charging for one Boxer puppy sounds outrageous. And no scrupulous Boxer breeder would purposely breed white boxers. They are not AKC standard and quite often are deaf. It is an inherited trait and white boxers should not be bred, in fact some breeders will actually euthanize white puppies or give them away with the condition that they are to be spayed or neutered and not bred by the new owner. A lot of Boxer lovers aren't aware of this, and breeders take advantage of their ignorance. If the conditions in her basement are clean and with plenty of fresh air, though, she's probably doing alright by the dogs.
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@AmStaff (142)
• Romania
2 Dec 07
First off all... no offense...but i think your friend isn't a breeder at all... it sounds to me more of a puppy-miller. Anyway, in a litter, every dog is different, some are pet quality (they are cheaper) and others are for show. The price depends on the puppy's pedigree...If they have a strong pedigree and they are show-quality, then it's not too much to pay 1500$-2000$. But when you say that see ask the same amount for a white boxer...that's not ok at all.(yes .. what you say is true.. a loot of breeds that don't have the white color in theyr standard..dog that is white has more health problems)
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@phillygirl606 (1112)
• United States
1 Dec 07
I have never ever seen a boxer puppy go for these kinds of prices, boxers usually range from 400 - 600 dollars. And usually as a puppy gets older the price tends to drop as they become harder to sell. You say she breeds in the basement but in what kind of conditions? Do the puppies gets well socializied? Usually puppies such as english bull dogs go for this amount of money, because the female usually has to have a "c" section and there is alot of financial obligations before you can sell a bull dog. I think your friend may be fibbing about her price because boxers are a common breed. I couldn't see anyone paying that mnuch for a boxer. 1,500 to 2,000 dollars I do not think I would spend on any breed of dog. My mom use to breed but it became to much when she began to have health problems so she had to stop. The puppies use to stay in the kitchen this way they were always around people from the day they were born. This way when people came to buy them the puppies were loving, use to being around people and very friendly. And they were not such a common breed as a boxer and she never charged that much for her puppies. She use to charge anywhere from 500 - 800 dollars for her puppies. She was also flexible with it too, if someone seemed like very good owners and really wanted a puppy she would usually bend and lower the price because it was more important to her that her puppies were in a loving home.To sum it up the puppies were more important to her than the money. Your friend seems very greedy
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@blueunicorn (2401)
• United States
1 Dec 07
In parts of the US boxer puppies are going for right around $1500. My in-laws bought 2 last year at that price.
@blueunicorn (2401)
• United States
1 Dec 07
I personally believe that you have valid points, but I think you would need to determine how much you value the friendship before deciding if you should let sleeping dogs lie. People get extremely passionate about their feelings on breeding dogs. I personally am passionate that breeders who are not responsible with their breeding should have legal repercussions. Of course, our law does not yet provide for that, so I don't get my way. Millions of cats and dogs are put down in the U.S. each year because they are unwanted. Yet breeders such as your friend continue to pump these dogs out to make an extra buck. Let me guess: Your friend is selling these puppies as Christmas gifts? Does she know that Christmas is the absolutely WORST time to bring a puppy into a home? Okay, I could go on and on about this subject, but I can see that it has touched a nerve as I am getting upset. You see, I volunteer for three rescue organizations. I am a foster parent that takes these dogs in after people decide they are no longer cute and cuddly. I have heard every reason in the book for why people are willing to dump their dogs, and one of them is "I bought this dog for my __________ (fill in the blank) but he/she doesn't want to care for it any more. If the rescue group can't take the dog we'll have to take it to the pound". We're not talking about mutts here, we're talking about dogs that sometimes come in with full AKC papers and are perfect show breed quality dogs. ARGH! Okay, I'm really going to step down off my soap box now. Anyway, if you value the friendship with this woman you may need to look the other way rather than confront her. I think I've illustrated (not on purpose) exactly how touchy this subject can be.
@blueunicorn (2401)
• United States
4 Dec 07
Oh, don't thank me. I am just doing what I can to "give back" to the community. This is my way of helping make a difference in the world.
@pastorkayte (2255)
• United States
1 Dec 07
It depends on their breed and pedigree. My sister has a champion showdog and she paid 800 for the dog but over the three years she had her she made all of her money back eight or nine times
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@alangardner (185)
• United States
1 Dec 07
i think even paying 50 for a dog in the penny saver is enough so why pay 1000 dollars. you must be extremely mentally ill if you but a dog for that much unless you can afford it but i am sure all of us on my lot cant because we are getting paid so little for posting these messages.
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@AmStaff (142)
• Romania
2 Dec 07
I don't agree with you... So, you say that breeders are mentally ill ??? I really can't imagine where you will find a pure breed dog with 50 $. If it doesn't have a pedigree... then it's not a pure breed dog.In that case you 're right. But if you want to have a pure breed dog...and be sure that you don't have any health problems with it...and want to make something for the breed, than you must pay a price. And a 1000$ $ isnt' much at all.
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