Even Though You're Wiccan/Pagan Do You Still Celebrate Christmas?
By pyewacket
@pyewacket (43903)
United States
December 1, 2007 1:09am CST
I've only been on the wiccan/pagan path for about five years and feel very comfortable with the path I've chosen for myself. I was however, baptized Catholic, confirmed Protestant and while I've accepted my new path, I still fall back a bit on Christian ideals, and do still love to celebrate Christmas. Of, course it would probably drives many devote Christians batty if they knew that many of the traditions that are associated with Christmas, like the tree are actually a throw back to pagan ideas, as it was the Druids who believed in "bringing in the evergreen"--even holly and mistletoe. It could also be thought that the mere idea that the birth of Christ, December 25th is close to the wiccan/pagan celebration of Yule which is the Winter Solstice usually around December 21st. I actually remember reading somewhere that some historians believe that Christ wasn't born of the 25th of December but actually calculated sometime in March. So many of the Christian beliefs coincided with pagan beliefs to sometimes entice pagans to abandon their beliefs to adopt to Christianity instead.
So as a wiccan/pagan...if you haven't always been on this path, do you in anyway celebrate Christmas as well. I do..heck gives me a good excuse to have that tree..LOL
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@Kashmeresmycat (6369)
• United States
1 Dec 07
Hi Pye, I don't know what I am, haha.
I have my own religion with no name to it, and I, as you, are very comfortable with it. It's almost a combination of many different religions and beliefs, not just one.
No matter what it is, I will always celebrate Christmas as I love that time of the year, and have always had a live Christmas tree, even a Charley Brown one. There's something about the live tree that I just HAVE to have it, haha....my world wouldn't be the same without it at this time of the year.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
2 Dec 07
I'm a mismash of religions also, as I studied Buddhism and Hinduism also..LOL Oh, yes, I know what you mean about that tree..I'm wondering though if I'm going to have the funds to get one though.. :(--I'm already tearing out my hair with bills..drat
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
3 Dec 07
I was mentioning how tight money is and how upset I am that I might not get a tree..she has an artificial one ---she even suggested, well why don't you get an artificial one? First because it just wouldn't be the same, and two, yikes sometimes the fake ones are almost just as much as the real ones! Could never stand to have a fake one
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@Kashmeresmycat (6369)
• United States
2 Dec 07
I hear ya Pye, about the money..I completely understand where you're coming from. I also have the same problems and it sure does get old already. Last year I got a tree for free as I worked at a garden center, the one that layed me off right before Christmas...the Manager is a little sweetheart and told me just to take one of my choice because she was so upset that they did that. She knew how I felt about live Christmas tree's and knew I wouldn't be able to buy one. Oh, we have stories to tell don't we?
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
2 Dec 07
yup and you can see that if you go to the diferent churches for even one time.
and really they follow each other alot on what they preach. I did have an example but it has left me lol .
But I do have a story to pass to you.
ONce I was visiting my neice adn she had got into this church that had a lot of tapes and we were listening to them and this lady came over and was going on about it then my neice told her that I was a Morman and she in turned said that Morman were nothing but a cult! well my come back was come to think of it all curches were cults in a way . That woman ran out of teh house and told me neice to get rid of me as I was a witch .lolololol neice told her she had to keep me as I was an Aunt.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
3 Dec 07
That's funny. Yes, a lot of churches/religions could be considered cults
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
2 Dec 07
Many religions are offshoots of others actually
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
1 Dec 07
Lol, I celebrate the modern version of christmas in conjunction with Yule, even though technically Yule is a few days earlier than christmas itself, it's the day I spend with my family...the fact that the holiday has so many pagan qualities to it helps greatly.
I still sing christmas songs with christian references to them...but only because I like to think of myself a singer, and those songs ARE beautiful.
I love many stories connected to christmas..and I respect all religions..but to me, they're just stories. And there isn't any harm in singing pieces of stories ^_^
I love the holiday. Both its modern traditional version, and Yule itself which it's pretty much connected to anyways..though I don't see me abandoning paganism, even for atheism, I think I would always celebrate the holiday. Heck. I celebrate Ninja Day..just because I like ninjas! I've always liked what christmas/yule season represented, so I reckon I'll always celebrate it, regardless ^_^
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
2 Dec 07
Ninja day? Is there such a thing? LOL
Happy Yule :)
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
2 Dec 07
Yup, it's Dec 5th lol.
It's a sortof humorous holiday for people who love all things ninja (even the cheesy silly stuff); http://dayoftheninja.com/index2.html
There's also a holiday called "Talk like a pirate day". LOL.
There's alot of cool holidays out there. There's a holiday that celebrates tea, cookies, et cetera. I bet there's a holiday for everything, at least in one place in the world.
*responding now to second person responding to me here*
Just proves anyone, regardless where they come from can enjoy a song :)
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@ElicBxn (63638)
• United States
2 Dec 07
Deserts don't mean hot year round.
It snows - not real often - but does snow in the middle east. Think the American Southwest without the huge Rockies, but still some rugged hills.
Don't forget, the largest desert (lowest mosture fall year around) is Antartica.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
2 Dec 07
I understand it does get chilly in the deserts at night
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
2 Dec 07
Not necessarily ...heck it was desert area, so warmish all year long??y
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
1 Dec 07
I am not a practicing wiccan or pagan, pyewacket, but I see nothing wrong with celebrating Christmas. It is true as you say that many of the Christian traditions are actually carry-overs from the old pagan religion. Besides, with so much misery in today's world, any reason for a celebration should be considered a departure from all the bad news.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
2 Dec 07
How true, and just think how dreary and dull wintertime would be without some kind of festive celebration like Christmas time?
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
2 Dec 07
PS--did you know the idea of stopping all activity in war time began in the Civil War period. I remember reading one time, that on one Christmas Eve there was a conflict between a Yankee and Confederate armies...but both sides stopped fighting on Christmas Eve..and even joined together in celebrating ...sad though as soon as Christmas Eve was over it was back to fighting again
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@catskisses (434)
• United States
1 Dec 07
I celebrate Christmas, on the day recognized in our times. I do believe the Christ existed and so celebrate his birth in a small way. I also ceebrate with my family and friends more as a celebration of our love of one another. My most dear-to-my-heart acknowedgement at this time is in celebration of Yuetide.
Yes, Roman records as well as common sense reveal that a date of December 25 is highly unikely for the birthdate of the Christ. Additionally, more recent history reveals that this date was set during the Councils of Nicea around the time when the Holy Bible as we know it was created. There were debates as to whether Jesus was ever born at and as to his diety status. December 25 was chosen because the (newly Holy) Roman Emporer Constantine and the Pope along with the rest of this council wished to retain as many hoidays of the Romans as possible to make the conversion of the Roman populace to Chrisitanity more smooth. December 25 was the birthdate of Mithras, an ancient god, whose birth was ceebrated with feasting and giftgiving, much as Christmas is today. The council knew the Roman people would not wish to give up this hoiday period, so they set it as Christ's birthdate so that the celebrations would continue with only 'the name has been changed' so to speak.
As my family and friends consist of many faiths, as well as those who have little or none, Christmas for us is a time to celebrate our connections with one another and with mankind in general.
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@Modestah (11179)
• United States
3 Dec 07
in God's sweet providance He had that Herod demanded a census of "all the world" so there was a record of His Birth and December 25th is accurate.
there are some who pretend it was in the spring, but that was never believed amongst the early Christians.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
2 Dec 07
Yes, so much was actually "invented" by the Council of Nicea one wonders what was real and what was made up by them. I think I remember reading somewhere that the very early Christian beliefs had the belief in reincarnation but that concept was later eliminated--know anything about this???
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@Darkwing (21583)
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2 Dec 07
I celebrate Yule on its due date, giving gifts to Pagan friends on the 21st, but then I celebrate Christmas as well because most of my family are Christians, apart from my sons of course, whom I left to decide what they wanted to be on growing up. Needless to say, neither of them has done anything about it, but they celebrate Christmas as have all the rest of my family through the years.
I like to celebrate Yule in a more reverent, traditional way. I have my Yule Log, my tree, and all the candles, incenses and bits and pieces that go with it. I also hold my main ritual on 20/21st December, which kind of slides into Christmas. Then, Christmas, to me, is more of a time for the kids... that's all the meaning it has. It's a nice time, when I love to see the smiles on the kids' faces and spend time within the love of my family and friends.
Joyous Yule to you, my friend, with Brightest Blessings.
@Darkwing (21583)
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7 Dec 07
Lol... yes, my friend, the cakes will be ready, and as you will note from my absence from here, I am busily preparing for one of the best festivals of the year. :) I like them all, in fact, but this one, is the start of my New Year, when the Sun God is reborn, and begins to grow again in strength... preparing for new beginnings, and of course, lots of preparations.
Not only do I have the Christmas Cake to do, I have a two-tier, all chocolate Wedding Cake for the 15th, my Granddaughter's all chocolate Bratz Birthday Cake for the 15th, and a Carrot Cake for my Mum, as she is mad on it!!! lol. The birds' fat/seed feeders and nut decorations have to be hung on the outside tree, together with a few apples... that's my Yule contribution! All that on top of Christmas Shopping which isn't even half done, writing cards and starting a weekend bar job. How's that for a Bizzy Lizzie? But, it's nice when it gets here, and we can enjoy it, regardless, huh? The children's laughter, the birds feeding happily from the Christmas Tree, the Yule Log in the hearth and all those scrummy aromas mingling together. I love it all!
You take good care, my friend. Bring it on!!! :)
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
3 Dec 07
Hope you have a Merry Yule Darkwing....are those cakes going to be ready? Remember you started them sometime ago
@GnosticGoddess (5626)
• United States
1 Dec 07
Yeah I celebrate Christmas.
I still have strong connections with Jesus - as you know and besides - who wants to pass up a reason to celebrate, buy gifts, and be with family?? Not me LOL.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
2 Dec 07
I wouldn't want to pass that up either...hehee
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
2 Dec 07
I am not Wiccan but I have heard that the Christian church, in order to woo the Celts and Druids,adopted many traditions that were Wiccan.That we even celebrate in December was adopted.The bad news for me is Jesus may not be a capricorn. I like the idea that there is such a variety of capricorns and I hate to see Jesus get taken off the list.
Okay, how does a Wiccan celebrate Christmas?
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
3 Dec 07
Here's a few good sites to read up on "Yule" and how it's celebrated
http://www.cyberwitch.com/Wychwood/Temple/yule.htm
http://www.nobleknights.com/~eagle1/yule02.htm
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@byfaithonly (10698)
• United States
1 Dec 07
I wasn't going to respond to this discussion because it was addressed to a group of people that I don't belong to but after reading the responses I think I can safely..
I too like Christmas trees and it's on my list of things to do today with great joy. I'm not connecting it with any 'beliefs' just hey it's that time of year and something different to do in the living room. If I get to it before the big expected snow storm I may add some lights to the porch too. I think it's fun and can't see anything wrong with it.
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@wooitsmolly (3613)
• United States
1 Dec 07
Well, I am not Wiccan/Pagan. I do not practice any religion, but I still wanted to respond to this discussion, so deal with that :P
I celebrate Christmas because I get presents. That's right, I am greedy. I also enjoy giving to other people because I like to see them happy, along with spending time with my family who I don't get to see often. (Not my extended family though, they are boring.) Other than that, I do not care about/believe in that Jesus crap. I mean stuff.
@wooitsmolly (3613)
• United States
2 Dec 07
Lol. I wanted to be respectful with my opinion, but it was just too hard... whatayagonnado
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
2 Dec 07
Aw gee, you really shouldn't be so shy and tell us what you think..LOL..Just kidding. I admire your candid voice here! :)
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@RosieS57 (889)
• United States
1 Dec 07
Nah, we don't celebrate Christmas. We celebrate Yule. I was raised Roman Catholic and my better looking half was raised Southern Baptist. We both came home to our Pagan roots when still young.
What others call the Christmas tree or the Tannenbaum we call the Pagan bush because it is Pagan. We also use mistletoe and decorate the tree and house and outside palm tree with colored lights. The lights are a lot safer than the candles used on the original Pagan trees! Not having snow here in Florida means that many of the Christian memories and the Santa traditions do really seem out of place this far south. Not a chimney in sight around here.
In Pagan tradition the god is under the Earth resting until he reappears in the spring. Many many cultures have a Festival of Lights to mark the darkest, longest night of the year and the promise of renewed life, warmth and growth at springtime, so there's no reason not to celebrate these Pagan concepts in their original form. In changed forms they were taken and used by Christians because the original Pagan ritual and meaning is so powerful.
Yule is a wonderful, magickal time!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
2 Dec 07
Since I'm here in the north and gasp..we might actually have our first touch of snow tomorrow, I can't imagine the Christmas season without the usual visions of this time of year. I was in Florida once during Christmas time and it felt strange...it was a balmy 60 or so, humid (of course) and to be walking around with palm trees was weird to say the least..LOL
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@morgandrake (2136)
• United States
2 Dec 07
Personally, I am quite sure that the Christians would be just so happy to hear that I view Christmas as a good time to celebrate the birth of baby Horus. LOL. But considering that Christmas was chosen so that they could convert worshippers of Mithras, I am happy to do my part to take it back. Evil, ain't I?
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
2 Dec 07
Oh yes, morgandrake,...you're a bad boy..naughty naughty hehee
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@wiccania (3360)
• United States
3 Dec 07
Well, a tree could be a yule tradition as well as Christmas tradition. Personally, I celebrate both. Yule tends to be a smaller, more reserved celebration for me, not having a lot of pagans to celebrate with. But, although my mother was raised religious, Christmas has never been a religious occasion in my family unless we were visiting my maternal grandmother for the holidays. It was always more about celebrating time with family, giving gifts to the people we love, that sort of thing.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
3 Dec 07
My family never saw Christmas as a purely religious thing either, but as you said, to be with family and share time together
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@highflyingxangel (9225)
• United States
2 Dec 07
I still celebrate Christmas. I live at home so, it's only natural that in a house full of Christains, I still celebrate Christmas. I don't see the harm in it. It's so close to Yule, it's practically the same thing. So, no harm really. As long as we're celebrating with the family and making the most out of the holiday season, I think Pagan or not, you should be able to celebrate.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
3 Dec 07
I already have some of my "Christmas" type decorations up to make the place look festive..I do live along, but heck why shouldn't I decorate even if just for myself and the "kids"--my furbabies.
@recycledgoth (9894)
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6 Dec 07
I usually have holly, ivy and mistletoe in the house for Yule, and a tree as well. These days I feel that any chance to have a celebration shouldn't be ignored, and I will celebrate Yule and enjoy myself over the whole festive season regardless.
Have a cool Yule :-)
@lillake (1630)
• United States
3 Dec 07
I celebrate a secular Christmas with family and friend who do celebate Christmas, but we have a private Yule celebration at home. I think it's hard to avoid Christmas no matter what your religion is simply because it's such a part of our culture. Just keep reminding yourself, most of the "traditions" are Pagan in origin. LOL
@Modestah (11179)
• United States
7 Dec 07
thanks, but I have no reason to doubt when He was born due to the Census taken the records kept, the early fathers works etc. I am confident in my belief that 25 December is accurate (which also coincides with the visitation and birth of St Jon the Baptist)
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
2 Dec 07
Many historians though think Christ wasn't born in December--here's a link
http://www.ucgstp.org/lit/gn/gn055/christmas_evidence.htm
http://www.ucgstp.org/lit/gn/gn008/gn008f03.htm
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@gmakesmoney (2923)
• United States
6 Dec 07
OMG.. I'm thinking you were right and we are so exactly the same. So I was baptized Catholic as a child then confirmed Protestant older and then we moved in my teens and started going to Southern Baptist and then we moved back home again and by then I'd had it and took up a more wiccan/pagan path for myself. Nobody was surprised as they said my grandfather was into "evil witch stuff" which I tried to explain but I digress. As of lately I don't practice anything except what I feel at the moment and I don't go to church but have found one Catholic church a couple of hours away that was build by a famous nun on a vision and gives me this complete feeling of peace, I visit during non service hours as the service itself makes me uncomfortable. My grandmother was very Catholic but also the most naturally pagan woman when I think about it. I inhereted her rosaries and Virgin statues and they give me such a loving feeling.
Ok so having such a strong Catholic influence and feeling so naturally drawn to a more wiccan path I find one common thing that draws me to both wich is the Virgin Mary/Goddess. To me they are one and the same and as a Hispanic, we're more raised on the belief of the Virgin and all her power and it is more to her that the prayers and alters are made, every Hispanic Catholic home has a Virgin Mary alter. So when I go to that beautiful church I feel Her presance and I just know in my heart that my own path is just that and how I believe is the right way for me to as long as I get that overall feeling and understanding of love in it's every form and know that to each his own way. Which after all is a Wiccan belief, presented to me by a Catholic entity.
I promise this all has something to do with Christmas, lol... Ok so for me having taken all of that into thought, I celebrate Christmas two ways, one as the little Miss Martha Stewart JR that I was raised to be and for all of it's tradition and the other as a celebration of life, of the miracle and power of it and of the complete meaning of love as my vision of the Goddess/Mary has taught me. We have a tree and all of the garland and mini trees and what nots and then I have my lenox nativity set. I also have some mother and child sculptures and Virgin pictures that I keep up all year to remind me of everything I believe in.