We always hear about dishonest sellers but what about the scam buyers?
By ctrymuziklvr
@ctrymuziklvr (11057)
United States
December 2, 2007 8:41pm CST
I've been selling on ebay for about 6 years now and I think I've seen it all! My feedback has always been positive and I give the buyers more than they ask for. I've put insurance on packages when they didn't pay for it just to cover myself. My packaging is always perfect to the point that my mailman has commented on it because I hand it to her and not take it to the post office where it could possibly get lost. I've had a store for about a year and just last week I closed it because I had a buyer who obviously was trying to scam me. She bought...it's hard to explain...but it was a laminated sheet of Red Sox trading cards that I took so much care in packaging to make sure that it wouldn't get bent. It was wrapped in bubble wrap, then put in an envelope and then put in a bubble envelope. I also put the fragile stickers on it and the mailman said not to worry it should be fine when I told him what was in it.
Ok, I got an email that when she got it it was bent....I happened to have another set so I did the same thing....just to be a nice seller and not question her. I got a second email! The second one was bent. I took twice the trouble with the second one and but it in two bubble envelopes each one bigger than the next! Guess what? I had to give her a refund!
Do you think that was fair? I have to say that as much as I love Paypal they are always for the buyer no matter how right the seller is.
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14 responses
@raychill (6525)
• United States
3 Dec 07
I'd say that certainly wasn't fair. However, I don't think you should have closed your store because of that. Even if you got one bad response from her on your feedback you can answer her and explain the situation (I've seen that on feedback before, someone complained and the seller responded explaining the situation) and then people would see that you'd sent it twice and how much you packaged it. Did she send the cards back? or did she get to keep both sets and get a refund? because that's messed up. I certainly wouldn't give her a refund until I got the stuff back.
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@ctrymuziklvr (11057)
• United States
3 Dec 07
I'm really not very smart when I get mad. I didn't ask for the cards back because I figured she would just bend them all up to prove how bad they were when she got them....not thinking that she would now profit from them!
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@raychill (6525)
• United States
3 Dec 07
Well see had you gotten them back even if they were bent you could have sold them still, just not for as much money because you would have said "these are bent" blah blah. But yeah, now she got two packs of cards and didn't pay a cent for them since you're refunding her the money.
That's why scam artists can scam people, sorry it happened to you.
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@slickcut (8141)
• United States
3 Dec 07
It sounds like you are the one that got scammed in this situation...I think you did everything right, and that she was just looking for a second set free.I think i would have ask her to send the bent ones back to me and that i would replace them when i received the bent ones back.It was not fair, you are right.I really do not think i would have sent her the second set, and i certainly would not have refunded her money until she returned the so called bent cards...
@ctrymuziklvr (11057)
• United States
3 Dec 07
Yes, I should have asked for the so called bent ones back but I was so mad that I said the heck with it (actually worse words than that..lol)and let it go. What goes around comes around.
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@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
3 Dec 07
It certainly sounds to me like you were scammed in this case, ctry. There are always going to be people out there looking to get over on honest sellers like yourself. It would be nice if you could get some kind of insurance for protection in case of losses such as this. I don't think you should have closed down your store, however.
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@ctrymuziklvr (11057)
• United States
3 Dec 07
That's the impulsiveness in me...I got so mad I said the heck with the store. Now I'm just going to be listing things one at a time the way I've been doing for years. In fact my last item just sold this morning...horrayyyyy!!!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
3 Dec 07
What an obvious rip-off on the part of the buyer. Well that saying is, the customer is always right,but I think this customer/buyer was really scamming you. How could the person prove the cards were bent, and that the person didn't bent them, themselves. And you gave her a refund on top of it..that was so wrong...I just bet the person is going to do a turn around and sell the cards off themself and profit from it
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@ctrymuziklvr (11057)
• United States
3 Dec 07
My point exactly and that's why I don't think Paypal should ALWAYS stand by the buyer. I'm sorry but they are not always right. I think they should consider the sellers record and go from there.
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@rnsahoo (53)
• India
3 Dec 07
I want to purchase a handycam through ebay. I am trying for a couple of days but not success. I am apprehensive whether the thing will reach to my address safely. I never buy anything from ebay. I am confused whether I should go to a shop to purchase it or I should retry at ebay. Please help
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@ctrymuziklvr (11057)
• United States
3 Dec 07
Check to see if the seller has had any sales in India and what the feedback is. If he has and his feedback is good then I would say go for it. If he has never sold to countries other than the US I would find a seller who has and buy it from them.
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@girlgonefishing (2174)
• United States
3 Dec 07
I had something similar happen to me on eBay. A buyer said that they paid me twice on a 110.00 item. I told her that she didn't because her payment was only showing up once in paypal. She then filed a claim against me in paypal and threatened to leave a bad score for me on eBay. I refunded her 110.00 so now she has the item and I have no money. She then emails me saying oops, I guess you were right, I only paid you once. I then asked her to pay me back my money since she still had the item and she never did. She also never scored me at all!
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@ctrymuziklvr (11057)
• United States
3 Dec 07
Something like that should be easy to prove she is wrong and I hope you don't let her get away with it. $110 is not a drop in the hat especially today!
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
5 Dec 07
I would have asked the buyer to mail them back to me. I would have contacted her post office about it. I don't think I would sit back and do nothing or worse yet..close my store. You need to place the burden of proof on they buyer.
@recycledgoth (9894)
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5 Dec 07
In my years on eBay both as a seller and as a buyer I have come across a few scam buyers. The usual trick is to claim item not received and demand a refund or replacement. These days I send everything by a trackable method, usually recorded delivery, and amazingly the scams stopped once someone tried it on and I proved to PayPal that they had received their item.
You should look on eBay's own Questions and Answers board sometime, you will find loads of people there complaining about scam buyers.
@eyewitness (1575)
• Netherlands
3 Dec 07
I think this buyer is really scamming you.I'm sorry to hear that some people do things like these.
In my opinion you did right and people don't make the same mistake twice.
It ain't fair even customers can be very mean
@WC1989 (595)
• United States
5 Dec 07
wow, that really really sucks. I hope you left a bad feedback.
Personally the only bad customers I ever got were people who won auctions but didn't pay. No scamming.
However, I've always been aware that people could and would do that.
That is why I write out on my listing exactly ALL the security measurements I used on my cards.
Then, I never ever again edit my listings.
That way, I can just say "is it common sense for a card with THAT kind of security to end up bent?" and ebay would see that I never edited the post and I would have at least SOME support. (Not much, but it's better than just my word).
And honestly, if something like that ever happened to me, not only would I not reship, but I'd send an angry (but cool-headed) detailed letter to both Ebay and paypal explaining how I couldn't possibly have done such a thing and to have them ask my previous buyers if I DID follow through on my security-system. (thankfully I've got some great power-feedback people on there).
Though I do hope something like that never ever happens to me.
And yes, seller feedback should totally be accounted for.
@spiderlizard22 (3444)
• United States
4 Dec 07
I think the customer is trying to rip you off. I can understand the first time but the second time is when I think it is fishy. Did she send you the items back? If not then you got ripped off.
@sephrenia (567)
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3 Dec 07
I've heard of this kind of thing before and I agree that it is unfair on the seller. Unfortunately there isn't a lot you can do about what that woman did to you now as it's aready gone pearshaped.
What you can do however is safeguard yourself in the future if you decide to sell again on Ebay. One of my friends got hit like this while they had a shop on Ebay and they started taking photo's of the packages when they were wrapped and ready for deliver as they had a timestamp on the photos that couldnt be changed and if somebody started playing silly so and so's like that, they would show them the photo that they had taken of the package and then ask them to take a photo of it as it was when it arrived with them.
nine times out of ten they didn't get a photo back and successfully got their money back from ebay when they sent in an appeal along with any evidence they had. My friend said the reason they wouldnt get a photo back most times is because the ones who were trying to scam wouldn't deliberately damage the item once they had it just for a photograph to prove it was damaged and so, they proved themselves to be complete liars.
Obviously the occasional photo did get sent back and they were more than happy to refund any money as it was fairly obvious that the customer was telling the truth.
I think that once I start selling myself, I'm going to follow my friends example so I don't get caught out by unscrupulous buyers. My friend no longer has a shop on ebay as she doesn't have ime to run it but I thought her example was a good idea and migth be worth you trying it out.
Hope that helps!
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@ctrymuziklvr (11057)
• United States
3 Dec 07
Wow what an awesome idea! After all these years I never thought of that but I'm going to start doing that. I might even add it to my listing so buyers will be aware that I will be doing it! Thanks for the idea!!!!
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@sephrenia (567)
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3 Dec 07
I'm glad I could help you out there and thankyou so much for the best response. I hope that your ebay shop continues to go from strength to strength!
Seph
xx
@elemental69 (1561)
• Ireland
5 Dec 07
I have had a few buyers like that too. I found a quick and easy way to stomp out scam buyers. On listings and checkout invoices I have put that I accept returns and I do issue refunds on receipt of the item being returned. I always stress that the item has to be returned first before any refund is issued. Sometimes you will get a genuine customer and you will always be able to recognise them. :-)